Are the Taliban from Ahlus Sunnah, YES or NO?

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jazakallah khairain,

a beautiful letter indeed. do you have the original source for it as it is better that way so no one can say it is not genuine.

i am just beginning to gain a great appriciation for sheikh ash shu'aybi, but there is so little of his work in english.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
i didnt read all d previous posts.but,i may ask,'why did the taliban opress their women?
 
khushnood said:
i didnt read all d previous posts.but,i may ask,'why did the taliban opress their women?
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insha'allah the brother who has travelled there and lived there can answer your queries better than i can but i believe they did not oppress their women.

if they enforce the hijab is it oppression or helping sisters by them not getting the sin of causing fitnah? same with making brothers keep a beard and pray in the masjid is this oppression or just enforcing the shariah?

were they oppressing women when they banned the practice of exchanging girls to solve tribal disputes or to pay off debts?

were they oppressing women when they got rid of the warlords who's men raped and murdered so many women?

i will let the brother who has been there answer now insha'allah.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
khushnood said:
i didnt read all d previous posts.but,i may ask,'why did the taliban opress their women?
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JazakAllah Khair Dawud

What oppression of Women? To enfore the Hijab , Islamic Law? Is that Oppression. Those who say women werent allowed outside of their homes. BRING your evidence if you are truthful, i have relatives, females during the taliban era in Afghanistan in which they were outside without a male escort. The requirement for a male escort were in certain areas of Afghanistan due to the danger of some of the runaway criminals.

Is Covering a Woman According to the Sunnah to show her Piety to Allah swt Oppression?

Yes theyre was education for Women, in certain developing parts. It took America and all these other great nations years to develope, yet the world expects Afghanistan to do it in less than 5 years? Especially when Implying it in a Sharia Format?

The evidence is clear, the Taliban did establish Sharia.

Ya Akhi, You have to understand the difference between a Muslim and A Mumeen

Simply saying your a Muslim does not suffice, you have to be a Believer.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
JazakAllah Khair Dawud

BRING your evidence if you are truthful,
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I have an idea, how about you provide evidence of your claims about the taliban. After all, it is you that is claiming they were good while the rest of us know the truth.

mahdisoldier19 said:
The requirement for a male escort were in certain areas of Afghanistan due to the danger of some of the runaway criminals.
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I thought it was said earlier that the Taliban had set up a wonderful society inAfghanistan without this kind of crime. Seems pretty dangerous to me if a woman cant go in public without an escort. :rolleyes:


mahdisoldier19 said:
The evidence is clear, the Taliban did establish Sharia.
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The evidence is clear, the Taliban did establish oppression.
 
SilentObserver said:
I have an idea, how about you provide evidence of your claims about the taliban. After all, it is you that is claiming they were good while the rest of us know the truth.


I thought it was said earlier that the Taliban had set up a wonderful society inAfghanistan without this kind of crime. Seems pretty dangerous to me if a woman cant go in public without an escort. :rolleyes:


The evidence is clear, the Taliban did establish oppression.
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hi silent observer.

this is an islamic message board, that means that we go by islamic manners on such matters, and the correct way of doing things in both the western and islamic culture is that an allegation against someone has to be proved first.

then if there is evidence against them then they can be defended against that. it is not for the innocent party to prove their innocence, but for those who allege their guilt to prove their guilt first and then be responded to.

Finally could i ask people to stay on topic or i will ask the moderators to remove your threads.

this is because this thread is to rebut those specific allegations against those who say that the taliban are not from ahlus sunnah and i call them liars or the messengers of liars, conveying their lies for them.

now as a non muslim i do not feel you have a place in this discussion as it involves discussing the beliefs of the taliban and whether that makes them part of the mainstream of islam or not and to be fair i do not believe you to be qualified to take part in that discussion.

if some muslims wish to allege that the taliban did x or y, then state how you feel this takes them outside the fold of ahlus sunnah or i will also ask for such threads to be removed by the moderators as off topic.

if someone wishes to start another thread on why the taliban were oppressive them please be my guest, put it in the basics of islam or world affairs section and i am sure myself and others will respond to it there.

Abu Abdullah
 
abu abdullah did you read that artical with Shaykh Ghulaamullaah Rahmatee the former deputy of sheikh jaleel ur rahman? that should answer any questions about the taliban. if you dont know who is jaleel ur rahman is, he is the salafi sheikh whom the ulema where going to give bay'ah, to be the khalifah of the muslim, including sheikh al albaani and others, until hykmatyar and the ikhwanies assainated him ,raheemahullah. and this is also a proof for those who think the salafi ulema are against shariah and the khalifa.
 
abubakr rishel said:
abu abdullah did you read that artical with Shaykh Ghulaamullaah Rahmatee the former deputy of sheikh jaleel ur rahman? that should answer any questions about the taliban. if you dont know who is jaleel ur rahman is, he is the salafi sheikh whom the ulema where going to give bay'ah, to be the khalifah of the muslim, including sheikh al albaani and others, until hykmatyar and the ikhwanies assainated him ,raheemahullah. and this is also a proof for those who think the salafi ulema are against shariah and the khalifa.
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Ya Akhi what does this have to do with Taliban?
 
what i am saying is an insider (Shaykh Ghulaamullaah Rahmatee ) someone who knew the situation about the taliban has told us about them, and what makes up their ranks. as he said people go to extreams with them , either they over prays them or call them mushriks, and in both cases it is not true. as he said they make up 3 types, deobandi asharies, salafees, and sufies. and this coencides with what the ulema have been saying about them for years. the other fatwas that have been put up in support with the taliban in my opinion cannot be taken as they are fatwas from few in midst of many. there is no dought sheikh ibn jabreen is a true scholar but it must also be realized that the majority of the ulema have had issues with some of his fatwas and they have refuted them. and this is the way it should be, ulema refute eachother , it is not our job to try to refute them as we have no right.
 
abubakr rishel said:
what i am saying is an insider (Shaykh Ghulaamullaah Rahmatee ) someone who knew the situation about the taliban has told us about them, and what makes up their ranks. as he said people go to extreams with them , either they over prays them or call them mushriks, and in both cases it is not true. as he said they make up 3 types, deobandi asharies, salafees, and sufies. and this coencides with what the ulema have been saying about them for years. the other fatwas that have been put up in support with the taliban in my opinion cannot be taken as they are fatwas from few in midst of many. there is no dought sheikh ibn jabreen is a true scholar but it must also be realized that the majority of the ulema have had issues with some of his fatwas and they have refuted them. and this is the way it should be, ulema refute eachother , it is not our job to try to refute them as we have no right.
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And what about the 2 other sheikhs that i have mentioned? And Also Sheikh. Muhammad Maqdisi?
 
i do not know about the two other that are mentioned, but i will say and this is my opinion but it is held by many, that it is best and safest to fallow what the mojority of the scholars have said about these technical issues (ie. issues that we really dont know much about). i am not saying that what ever the majority agree upon is always the mosy correct but if we do not have the ability to fully understand the situation it is prbably the safest between us and Allah. if we get more knowledable about an issue than we can look at the daleel that both sides may argue and than make an educated dissision from that.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
JazakAllah Khair Dawud

What oppression of Women? To enfore the Hijab , Islamic Law? Is that Oppression. Those who say women werent allowed outside of their homes. BRING your evidence if you are truthful, i have relatives, females during the taliban era in Afghanistan in which they were outside without a male escort. The requirement for a male escort were in certain areas of Afghanistan due to the danger of some of the runaway criminals.

Is Covering a Woman According to the Sunnah to show her Piety to Allah swt Oppression?

Yes theyre was education for Women, in certain developing parts. It took America and all these other great nations years to develope, yet the world expects Afghanistan to do it in less than 5 years? Especially when Implying it in a Sharia Format?

The evidence is clear, the Taliban did establish Sharia.

Ya Akhi, You have to understand the difference between a Muslim and A Mumeen

Simply saying your a Muslim does not suffice, you have to be a Believer.
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HEY!STOP BEING MAD AT ME.I WAS DIDNT MEAN TO SAY THAT TALIBAN ARE WOMEN OPRESSORS.BUT MANY PEOPLE THINK SO.WITH ALL THESE TALIBAN BASHING BOLLYWOOD MOVIES LIKE ESCAPE FROM THE TALIBAN AND KABUL EXPRESS,THE TALIBAN HAVE BEEN DEMONISED BEYOND MEASURE AND THAT IS WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE BOUND TO THINK.
 
Yes i am curious which fiqh issues is the brother referring to. Where did they error in the Sharia of Allah swt?
 

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