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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

You've clearly misunderstood my post and therefore are refuting a point that I haven't even made. It is not about his exact rank in Saudi Arabia. Also, it is also not about whether he "represent Islam" as clearly you'll have been able to glean as, with what I've said here and previously, that I don't believe Salafis speak for traditional Islam. Instead, I'm asking directly if he's promoting falsehood against Salafism even though he himself is a Salafi. Is he, yes or no?

So if some imam in india had said that then would the title have been "senior deobandi cleric" approves? Imam of the haraim doesn't mean you are a senior cleriic. It just means you are one of the imams from so many local mosques who got promoted to be an imam at the bigger and main masjid. An imam is not a scholar nor does he represent Islam or speak for Islam in everything he says. This is his personal opinion and not something backed by Scholars or rest of Hanabli Muslims of Saudi.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Shaikh Adil Al-Kalbani is not "promoting" falsehood against anyone. He is just stating his opinion, given that Salafism also has a lot of sub-divisions, some of them more extreme than others.

But what some extreme Sufis are doing here and in such articles is directly promoting falsehood against a whole group of people, out of their hatred against them due to their prevention of some of the Sufis' innovated practices.

 

[islamirama]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)
I'm asking directly if he's promoting falsehood against Salafism even though he himself is a Salafi. Is he, yes or no?



:wa: (And peace be upon you)

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He is expressing his opinion which is contrary to what salafi school of thought is. But this is a moot point to use to validate the sufis. Sufism is a sect of and in itself that is deviant and is among the 72 deviant sects of Islam. This is not my opinion or viewpoint nor any imam but rather prominent scholars of Ahle Sunnah wal jammah.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Two things:

1) Kalbaani is wrong.

2) Kalbaani is not a proof. His words are not Wahi from Allaah. He is not a Nabi. He is a human. Every human besides the Ambiyaa gets certain things right and certain things wrong. They err. They make mistakes. This is one of his mistakes. What exactly about "Salafism" does he want to change? He doesn't want to change "Salafism". He wants to change Islaam. He wants to change the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth. For example, there is a Hadeeth which says homosexuals who commit sodomy are to be killed. He will want to remove this Hadeeth. Pretend it was never said. But no amount of pretense is going to make it "unsaid". He can pretend but the Kaafir world that he is trying to please will always know that it was said. That is the fact of the matter. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said it. Neither he nor a galaxy of "scholars for dollars" can "un-say it". And you know what? People who do that shouldn't bother to call themselves Muslims. They may as well wear a cross and pray in a church. But if a person is trying to change Islaam, then he is not Muslim. You either accept Islaam as it is, or you don't accept it. The entire Deen of Islaam is based on Wahi from Allaah Ta`aalaa. Thus, it is Divine. The moment people start tampering in it, editing, adding and subtracting, it is no longer Islaam and is no longer Divine. The product of their tampering is man-made and cannot be referred to as "Islaam", because their tampering is not based on Wahi from Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

:wa:

He is expressing his opinion which is contrary to what salafi school of thought is. But this is a moot point to use to validate the sufis. Sufism is a sect of and in itself that is deviant and is among the 72 deviant sects of Islam. This is not my opinion or viewpoint nor any imam but rather prominent scholars of Ahle Sunnah wal jammah.

Well, you can continue to defend Salafism; and I presume I'll continue to disagree with you on the subject. This thread, by the way, is not about Sufism. That said, if you have time from following Salafism, do ask Allah to give you guidance on the matter of Sufism rather than blind-following Salafi understanding of Sufism. Just because Salafism has an overpowering presence on the Internet doesn't mean that you're right to deny Sufism; it is onus on you to discover and search for the truth on the matter of Sufism just as you would ask a person to do so on Islam who was, say, a Christian, a Jew, or a Hindu.

"Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give thought?" [Qur'an 6:50]

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “When Allah wishes good for someone, He bestows upon him the understanding of the Deen.” [Bukhari]

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[islamirama]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Well, you can continue to defend Salafism; and I presume I'll continue to disagree with you on the subject. This thread, by the way, is not about Sufism. That said, if you have time from following Salafism, do ask Allah to give you guidance on the matter of Sufism rather than blind-following Salafi understanding of Sufism. Just because Salafism has an overpowering presence on the Internet doesn't mean that you're right to deny Sufism; it is onus on you to discover and search for the truth on the matter of Sufism just as you would ask a person to do so on Islam who was, say, a Christian, a Jew, or a Hindu.

"Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give thought?" [Qur'an 6:50]

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “When Allah wishes good for someone, He bestows upon him the understanding of the Deen.” [Bukhari]

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

There are groups that claim to be salafi that are ignorant and extreme. I've heard of them and know of their hang out sites. There are also modern "salafi" who follow their own deviant understanding and extremism. To them if you are not one of them then you are are lost. I have no desire to defend them nor do I speak of them. The salafi i defend are the ones that stick to the Quran and Sunnah and are Muslims. I am not a salafi nor do i describe myself as one.

As for Sufism, I have read up on them and know very well the deviancy of their sect. The onus is on you to research about the deviant sect you follow and free your mind from blindly following them and trying to defend them. You won't even listen to anyone giving evidence of the misguidance of your beloved shaiks like hamza yusuf and yet you talk about research and hidayah? perhaps you should listen to the advice you give and for once really study into sufism from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah sources and not your sufi shayks. Is Your akhira more important to you or these deviant shayks?

 

[ardianto]

Shaikh Adil Al-Kalbani is not "promoting" falsehood against anyone. He is just stating his opinion, given that Salafism also has a lot of sub-divisions, some of them more extreme than others.

Salafism is different than Manhaj as-Salaf. Salafism is an extreme ideology which its follower believe that they are the only Muslims who follow the right Islam and other Muslims outside their group are deviants who follow innovators.

The true Salafis are those who follow Manhaj as-Salaf, not follow salafism.

 

[Zafran]

Two things:

1) Kalbaani is wrong.

2) Kalbaani is not a proof. His words are not Wahi from Allaah. He is not a Nabi. He is a human. Every human besides the Ambiyaa gets certain things right and certain things wrong. They err. They make mistakes. This is one of his mistakes. What exactly about "Salafism" does he want to change? He doesn't want to change "Salafism". He wants to change Islaam. He wants to change the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth. For example, there is a Hadeeth which says homosexuals who commit sodomy are to be killed. He will want to remove this Hadeeth. Pretend it was never said. But no amount of pretense is going to make it "unsaid". He can pretend but the Kaafir world that he is trying to please will always know that it was said. That is the fact of the matter. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said it. Neither he nor a galaxy of "scholars for dollars" can "un-say it". And you know what? People who do that shouldn't bother to call themselves Muslims. They may as well wear a cross and pray in a church. But if a person is trying to change Islaam, then he is not Muslim. You either accept Islaam as it is, or you don't accept it. The entire Deen of Islaam is based on Wahi from Allaah Ta`aalaa. Thus, it is Divine. The moment people start tampering in it, editing, adding and subtracting, it is no longer Islaam and is no longer Divine. The product of their tampering is man-made and cannot be referred to as "Islaam", because their tampering is not based on Wahi from Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

salaam

Talk about the ultimate straw man - If you read the article you'll see some important points that that need to change

This is not the first time that Al-Kalbani has challenged the mainstream clerics. He has harshly attacked suicide bombings, published a fatwa permitting poetry and called for allowing women to drive cars.

Of course points that you'll ignore. I also find it odd how people have such a hard time in accepting that modernity and salafi thought have created a huge disaster - Not to mention the sectarian wars.

 

[islamirama]

"The 'Wahhabi' Myth" is a landmark achievement in clarifying many of the gross inaccuracies and outright lies that have been attributed to the belief of the Salafee Muslims. Although some reporters and Western orientalist scholars have been vigilant enough to rebut these widespread fables, most have fallen headfirst into what one discerning reporter called, "the neo-conservative line that the whole conspiracy against America can be traced back to Wahabism and the government of Saudi Arabia."

BOOK : http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/thewahhabimyth.pdf

 

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Fear Allah, the angels are recording each word you type. We are all laypeople.

 

[islamirama]

What Is A Wahabi? Who Are The Wahabi's?

Sheikh Faiz

(8 mins)

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Who Are The Wahabis and What Is Their Message?

Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari

(13 mins)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=akB852Bcv4c[/video]

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Full Lecture

All You Need To Know About Wahabism, what is wahabism? who are wahabi

Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari

(1 hr 18 mins)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Ncf2zvMHtZs[/video]

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[فصيح الياسين]

I am extremely against wahabism or now days salafism . But aima of haramain are hanabilas also. I saw extreme difference between wahabis. Some belive on bukhari only. Some on bukhari and muslim only. Some on sehai sitta but against usool . Some accepts all usool so mixed the 4 madhaib. Well i am really really sick of them

 

[islamirama]

I am extremely against wahabism or now days salafism . Well i am really really sick of them

You desi people and the sufis since they speak out against sufi grave worships and your pir babas and shrine visits and taweez and other bidah. Then again anyone who speaks out against such bidah and shirk practices is labeled as "wahabi" .

 

[فصيح الياسين]

You desi people and the sufis since they speak out against sufi grave worships and your pir babas and shrine visits and taweez and other bidah. Then again anyone who speaks out against such bidah and shirk practices is labeled as "wahabi" .

Alhumdulillah i follow sufism to clean my heart. I never went to any baba. Nor i went to graves for worship but only for to realise tht i will be one of them. We ask frm allah bro..
People mostly dnt understand wht sufism is.. or which they see is really opposite to reality...

 

[islamirama]

People mostly dnt understand wht sufism is.. or which they see is really opposite to reality...

You are right, people really don't understand what sufism is. Since mgmt here doesn't like speaking out against falsehood, the sufi thread has been deleted. But if you look on youtube, you'll find many prominent islamic speakers speaking about what sufism is really about and how it is nothing more than a deviant sect.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Threads like these are not constructive in uniting the Ummah. Instead of trying to bring all Muslims together, we keep calling each other names and highlighting the differences.

Allah :swt: says,

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ​

And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. [3:103]


This is why we do not allow discussions on sectarian issues. Focus on the basics of Islam first, and then proceed to learn in-depth theology and jurisprudence.

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