Are we gods?

[barney]

how do you know, you've never been there.

QUOTE]

Meh...Neither have you! As I say..Nobody knows!

 

[Redeemed]

Yet, that is not the only Greek myth of that type there were many more. Keep in mind these were myths that were already in circulation at the time of Isa(as).

During that same time frame You also had an abundance of crucifixion/resurrection, son of god stories circulating.

The Christians attributed one to Isa(as) and the others were refuted. Yes, there are refutations to all of the crucifixion stories, including the crucifixion of Isa(as)

i addressed a few more of them in the Bible thread

I put this in the wrong thread:
So what? We celebrate birthdays on days that are convenient rather than the
specific date because nobody will come on the real day. Here's an article
that spells out the history pretty accurately. Blessings, Scott

Why December 25?
For the church's first three centuries, Christmas wasn't in December—or on
the calendar at all.

Elesha Coffman

It's very tough for us North Americans to imagine Mary and Joseph trudging
to Bethlehem in anything but, as Christina Rosetti memorably described it,
"the bleak mid-winter," surrounded by "snow on snow on snow." To us,
Christmas and December are inseparable. But for the first three centuries of
Christianity, Christmas wasn't in December—or on the calendar anywhere.

If observed at all, the celebration of Christ's birth was usually lumped in
with Epiphany (January 6), one of the church's earliest established feasts.
Some church leaders even opposed the idea of a birth celebration. Origen
(c.185-c.254) preached that it would be wrong to honor Christ in the same
way Pharaoh and Herod were honored. Birthdays were for pagan gods.

Not all of Origen's contemporaries agreed that Christ's birthday shouldn't
be celebrated, and some began to speculate on the date (actual records were
apparently long lost). Clement of Alexandria (c.150-c.215) favored May 20
but noted that others had argued for April 18, April 19, and May 28.
Hippolytus (c.170-c.236) championed January 2. November 17, November 20, and
March 25 all had backers as well. A Latin treatise written around 243 pegged
March 21, because that was believed to be the date on which God created the
sun. Polycarp (c.69-c.155) had followed the same line of reasoning to
conclude that Christ's birth and baptism most likely occurred on Wednesday,
because the sun was created on the fourth day.

The eventual choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects a
convergence of Origen's concern about pagan gods and the church's
identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already
hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth
of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of
Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter
solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier.
Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the
true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a
new festival.

Western Christians first celebrated Christmas on December 25 in 336, after
Emperor Constantine had declared Christianity the empire's favored religion.
Eastern churches, however, held on to January 6 as the date for Christ's
birth and his baptism. Most easterners eventually adopted December 25,
celebrating Christ's birth on the earlier date and his baptism on the
latter, but the Armenian church celebrates his birth on January 6.
Incidentally, the Western church does celebrate Epiphany on January 6, but
as the arrival date of the Magi rather than as the date of Christ's baptism.

Another wrinkle was added in the sixteenth century when Pope Gregory devised
a new calendar, which was unevenly adopted. The Eastern Orthodox and some
Protestants retained the Julian calendar, which meant they celebrated
Christmas 13 days later than their Gregorian counterparts. Most—but not
all—of the Christian world now agrees on the Gregorian calendar and the
December 25 date.

The pagan origins of the Christmas date, as well as pagan origins for many
Christmas customs (gift-giving and merrymaking from Roman Saturnalia;
greenery, lights, and charity from the Roman New Year; Yule logs and various
foods from Teutonic feasts), have always fueled arguments against the
holiday. "It's just paganism wrapped with a Christian bow," naysayers argue.
But while kowtowing to worldliness must always be a concern for Christians,
the church has generally viewed efforts to reshape culture—including
holidays—positively. As a theologian asserted in 320, "We hold this day
holy, not like the pagans because of the birth of the sun, but because of
him who made it."

Elesha can be reached at [email protected].

 

[aadil77]

Are we we gods?

Are you stupid?

sorry. but creating a thread questioning whether we are gods is like asking 'is this the real world?' or 'are we in the matrix?'.

By being on this forum quite frequently you must know by now that as muslims we consider our selves as 'servants' of Allah, we do not feel in anyway 'bad' about this and we would never think for a second 'are we gods?' because we don't need or want to be, Allah has provided us with everything and we know that he is 'Almighty' and that there isn't a possibilty of other gods to co-exist with him. How can you even think for a second that us as humans, we would have any kind of power that would match God's power? That we could co-exist as gods?

So why ask such a offensive question that directly relates to beliefs about shirk. It's basically questioning the basis of islam that there is 'one God Allah'.

I think that our views of God and your views of God are totally different.

You don't show any fear of God as you ask questions that would insult the superiorority of God.

This is what makes you think that God will forgive your every sin no matter what you do

If you had fear of God then you would never think of yourself as 'king' and even hint that God is inferior in anyway

 

[Redeemed]

Are you stupid?

sorry. but creating a thread questioning whether we are gods is like asking 'is this the real world?' or 'are we in the matrix?'.

By being on this forum quite frequently you must know by now that as muslims we consider our selves as 'servants' of Allah, we do not feel in anyway 'bad' about this and we would never think for a second 'are we gods?' because we don't need or want to be, Allah has provided us with everything and we know that he is 'Almighty' and that there isn't a possibilty of other gods to co-exist with him. How can you even think for a second that us as humans, we would have any kind of power that would match God's power? That we could co-exist as gods?

So why ask such a offensive question that directly relates to beliefs about shirk. It's basically questioning the basis of islam that there is 'one God Allah'.

I think that our views of God and your views of God are totally different.

You don't show any fear of God as you ask questions that would insult the superiorority of God.

This is what makes you think that God will forgive your every sin no matter what you do

If you had fear of God then you would never think of yourself as 'king' and even hint that God is inferior in anyway

Are you asking me if I am stupid, or if all that have been posting on this thread for the past several days including Muslims are? Why do you think that this question is so bad when Jesus is the one who said, "You are gods?":?
The Bible says I have been made a King and priest unto G-d by the blood of the Lamb. That means that when you insult me, you do it to Him!

 

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Are we we gods?

:salamext:

To me, this question is as 'pathetic' as; 'Does God Exist'.

Bleh. Find something better to do with your time people, please. :rollseyes

 

[skhalid]

That should be re-worded...I know it can't but to agree with the Islamic teaching then it should say 'we are all children of Adam and Eve' or we are all God's creations..but there's only 'one' God..and what He created can't be gods as well..it don't work like that...I think that when it said that 'we are all gods' it mean that we share or appear equaly to God....we are all as important as each other..something about equality..thats my interpretation anyways...you might have other views.
Jazakallah*

 

[MustafaMc]

:salamext:

To me, this question is as 'pathetic' as; 'Does God Exist'.

Bleh. Find something better to do with your time people, please. :rollseyes

I agree with you, Sister. Some questions are too absurd to answer. Some people have trouble seeing the obvious distinction between humans and Allah. May Allah guide them to the Truth that there is only One God and that only He is worthy of worship.

 

[poga]

I am getting to hate that word "preach" I guess it is because of the connotation you give it. I just don't see why you say that. I am not making up the Scriptures I share. I am saying things according to the Scripture in the Bible. I am not telling you or anyone what to believe nor am I cutting down Islam. There is absolutely nothing you can say to me that would disturb or upset me from the Koran. There must be a lot of power and truth to cause someone to go through all the trouble to unjustly charge me 10 points, whatever that means, for making an honest mistake of sharing on the wrong post. I have done this before and the thread was simply moved to the appropriate location. Why is everything different all of a sudden? Is it because the truth hurts? Why not just answ3er the question rather than punish someone unjustly. You send someone or another moderator who doesn't know me to put a 10 point charge against me. Do you think that Allah doesn't see what you are doing to me? I commit my actions on this forum to His judgment.

at the day of judgement who are the rabb of idols

 

[Redeemed]

:salamext:

To me, this question is as 'pathetic' as; 'Does God Exist'.

Bleh. Find something better to do with your time people, please. :rollseyes

Both questions, however, can be answered. I believe it is good to have a strong foundation, but we believe that to build our foundation on anything other that Jesus Christ and Him crucified is building a foundation of sand; it is just a matter of time when the winds and rain will topple that structure and great will be the loss. On the other hand, building on what Jesus said in the Bible, which is the inerrant word of God, is to build the foundation on a rock so that the house or structure will truly remain firm in the storm. It is coming soon.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

On the other hand, building on what Jesus said in the Bible, which is the inerrant word of God, is to build the foundation on a rock so that the house or structure will truly remain firm in the storm. It is coming soon.

you mean the anti-christ?

 

[Redeemed]

at the day of judgement who are the rabb of idols

I don't understand what you mean?:-\

 

[Redeemed]

you mean the anti-christ?

YES
The anti-christ is anyone who usurps the Christ. Therefore, anyone who says that Jesus Christ is not the final authorative word by saying another is over Him or that they are the final word concerning what God says or said fits those shoes. They and all who oppose Jesus' words in the Bible will have their part in the lake of fire.:grumbling

When one finds a sentence that begins with therefore, they ought to find out what it is there for.
Peace

 

[aadil77]

Have you found your answer to this question yet?
Or do you have more absurd questions to ask about islam

I don't see how this helps you learn more about islam or helps 'build' your 'foundation'

 

[NoName55]

YES
The anti-christ is anyone .................... anyone who says that Jesus Christ is not the final authorative word by saying another is over Him

A billion plus Muslims (maybe you should join a culling drive)

or that they are the final word concerning what God says or said fits those shoes. They and all who oppose Jesus' words in the Bible will havetheir part in the lake of fire.:grumbling

Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.?

I disliked you from the third post you made on this forum! but was told by staff members to leave you alone as well as few other self appointed "good manner's police"

None but around three members understand your game and true intentions.

 

[Redeemed]

I will explain now why I post the title for this thread. Jesus said "Is it not written in your law ye are gods?" This remark came after the Jews wanted to stone Jesus for saying "He and His Father are one" As Gleason L. Archer Jr. puts it "Jesus' audience rightly understood Him asserting His deity..." Moreover, Jesus wanted to counter their hostility with that verse found in Ps. 82:6. That verse didn't apply to all men, but only to those prophets and the ones who bore God's word. God even told Moses you will be a god and Aaron will be your spokesman. There were those in positions of authority who carried Gods word but abused their power by favoring rulers and for other corrupt reasons. That is why the verse continues to say, but ye shall die like men even though you are gods.

 

[poga]

I don't understand what you mean?:-\

you don't understand my veils but i understand yours
your example is like onion there is veil after veil but nothing within all empty
PS i think alap also means gossip therefore alapiana means gossipmonger
please don't be offended i know you are talkative without harm and benefit

 

[Redeemed]

A billion plus Muslims (maybe you should join a culling drive) Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.?

I disliked you from the third post you made on this forum! but was told by staff members to leave you alone as well as few other self appointed "good manner's police"

None but around three members understand your game and true intentions.

My intentions were never hidden, and I am not playing games. I am dead serious. When I say dead, I mean to myself and to what people think of me or at least I try to be. I dislike the things you said and say even from the every start of this forum, but I don't dislike you. I think you are sincere but sincerely wrong. I must learn to hate the sin but love the sinner!! Even as Christ commands.
peace

 

[Redeemed]

you don't understand my veils but i understand yours
your example is like onion there is veil after veil but nothing within all empty
PS i think alap also means gossip therefore alapiana means gossipmonger
please don't be offended i know you are talkative without harm and benefit

What do you mean gossip? I don't think you know what gossip means. Gossips refers to when someone talks negatively about you behind your back. It never refers to someone who says it in your face. These unkind remarks of yours, for instance, are not gossip. I am sorry, however, that you feel this way. It is written: "Great peace have they which love thy law, and NOTHING shall offend them" I don't feel that way about anybody on this forum. To the contrary, I feel compassion as hard as that may be for you to believe.:hmm:

 

[Redeemed]

That should be re-worded...I know it can't but to agree with the Islamic teaching then it should say 'we are all children of Adam and Eve' or we are all God's creations..but there's only 'one' God..and what He created can't be gods as well..it don't work like that...I think that when it said that 'we are all gods' it mean that we share or appear equaly to God....we are all as important as each other..something about equality..thats my interpretation anyways...you might have other views.
Jazakallah*

Yes, I do agree with you; There is no one who can compare to God. However,
I don't know if you got this, but I'll send it again: I will explain again why I post this title for this thread. Jesus said, "Is it not written in your law ye are gods?" This remark came after the Jews wanted to stone Jesus for saying "He and His Father are one" As Gleason L. Archer Jr. puts it, "Jesus' audience rightly understood Him asserting His deity..." Moreover, Jesus wanted to counter their hostility with that verse found in Ps. 82:6. That verse didn't apply to all men, but only to those prophets and the ones who bore God's word. They were given that title. God even told Moses you will be a god and Aaron will be your spokesman. There were those in positions of authority that carried Gods word but abused their power by favoring rulers and for other corrupt reasons. That is why the verse continues to say, but ye shall die like men even though you are gods. Notice that is a god with a small g Peace

 

[poga]

What do you mean gossip? I don't think you know what gossip means. Gossips refers to when someone talks negatively about you behind your back. It never refers to someone who says it in your face. These unkind remarks of yours, for instance, are not gossip. I am sorry, however, that you feel this way. It is written: "Great peace have they which love thy law, and NOTHING shall offend them" I don't feel that way about anybody on this forum. To the contrary, I feel compassion as hard as that may be for you to believe.:hmm:

according to dictionary gossip means casual and idle chat
gossipmonger is a person who chatters about rumours it also applied as godsibb esp to a woman's female friends at the birth of a child hence a woman fond of light talk a gossiper
it applies to you 101% because you deal with only the rumours of jesus christ's birth