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Are we Witnessing the Beginning of a Crusade???
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Why would we want to spend trillions starting a Crusade for oil (isn't that a contradiction anyhow?). All Muslims nations are selling us their oil, no? Is there any Muslim nation that does not sell its oil on the world market for consumption by Christians/The West?
Iran and Turkey? What about them?
Hello Wilberhum. I think the next will be a "crusade" into Israel:
"The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.
7 " 'Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land (RUSSO/ISLAMIC CRUSADE) that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land." (Ezek. 38:1-9)
Humanity have been moving in circles (believe or not) and now its time to return - So its gonna happen as it has already been predicted by Prophet Mohammad pbub - The current situation prevailing in Moslem countires will not subside, it will move on further and All Hell is gonna Let Loose once the Jews will destroy the Mosque in Jerusalem called Al-aqsa - This incident will be the beginning of the end......Ciao
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Sorry for disturbing your chats here but *what is a Crusade well i know it is what we are talking about so i think it would be better if someone tells me rather then me pming someone JazakAllah Khar in Adavnce to who does tell me
Hello snakelegs. These verses (38:1-9,15) reveal a future invasion into Israel by the nations surrounding her and from the north. "Crusade" really isn't the right word, but the invasion will result in God's destruction of the invading nations as recorded in:
Ezek. 38:22:
"I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him."
and in Zech. 12:2,3 it records all the nations:
"I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves."
God will not let his people be wiped off the face of the earth as some nations would like to see happen.
Peace will come to the middle east, and world, when Jesus, the Prince of Peace, returns:
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isa. 9:6)
And he will reign on the throne of David:
Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this." (Isa. 9:7)
Peace in Christ
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..."his people" ---> you're refering to the Jews or Christians?
Slamdunk:810114 said:
Well... we Muslims believe that Jesus will return to save the world from Dajjal.
Hello north malaysian. In the Old Testament, God refers to the Jews as his "Chosen" people. Yes, he will not let the Jews be totally destroyed.
Yes, we believe that too. But Dajjal will try to destroy Israel and when Jesus comes he will cast him into the lake of fire:
"But the beast (dajjal) was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." (Rev. 19:20)
When Jesus comes, he will also do as he did in his first coming, save people from their sins, having died for them. I realize that muslims don't believe that this happened, rather Allah made someone else look like Jesus. This man was then crucified in Christ's place. But here's something to think about. If Allah changed the man on the cross to look like Jesus, then His Apostle's were sent on a false mission because the Jesus they were preaching didn't really die. It seems to me that God would not do something like that. Why would he let sincere men spread a false message and be martyred in vain because he did something that they didn't know about?
Peace
Hello snakelegs. What the Scriptures say will happen in the future in Israel has nothing to do with today's Zionism. Yet, God has his own passion (zionism) for his people and land, and will cause these nations to be drawn into Israel where he will destroy their armies. He will then restore his land and his people:
" I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.'"(Ezek. 37:26-28)
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In my opinion what we're seeing right now isn't really a Crusade, it's more like a war between Islam and the rest of the world. Everywhere in the world muslims are being killed everyday: Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Kashmir, Lebanon... And like someone said earlier I think soon we'll see fighting in Iran and Syria too.
Greetings and peace be with you August;
I wonder what good the US can achieve by merely threatening Iran, the language seems as if it is leading up to some kind of stronger action.
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth
Eric
Wisdom is learning from your previous actions, and I wonder what lessons the US have learned from invading Iraq? The reason I ask this is because the US seem drawn towards some kind of conflict with Iran.
I wonder what good the US can achieve by merely threatening Iran, the language seems as if it is leading up to some kind of stronger action.
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth
Eric
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Yes, it's more like a war between Islam and the rest of the world and within Islam too. Where do Muslims live in peace?
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It's a crusade against the Muslims and the fundamentalist extremists christians and the kuffar gov't are in on it together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owCXbDVTLRE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owCXbDVTLRE
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We do live in peace and wish to leave in peace but it's your goverments who want to destroy our beautiful religion and you're blindly following them like sheep.
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We do live in peace. Whare?
your goverments who want to destroy our beautiful religion. We could care less about your religion. We just go after thoes that say your "beautiful religion" gives them the right to kill us. Our growing Muslim populatons is a clear indication that you are inventing your own reality.
you're blindly following them like sheep. I think who the sheep are is easy to identify.
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So Americans who are killing women and children in Iraq are killing them for threatining to attack Americans? And in Afghanistan too? And how about the Russians killing Chechen civilians everyday? And what the Indian troops are doing in Kashmir? Or the Israelis in Palestine? You're trying to say that women and children have threatened to kill you? No it's the kafirs who have come together to destroy us. Destroy every man, woman and child. Just because Islam is starting to grow and soon the muslims would be the majority everywhere.