Arming the police

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Keltoi said:
Perhaps, but compare the population of Iceland with the population of the U.S. and put that into context.
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Good point the entire population of Iceland is slightly less than 1/2 the population of Denver Colorado I don't think Denver has much crime either.

Perhaps crime rates are more related to population density than to guns?
 
Woodrow said:
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Anything can be abused. I believe if you read many allegations of abuse by police, you will find abuse by firearms is very rare. The most common abuses are done by bare hands. To a trained person their hands are deadlier than a gun. They don't miss and they don't run out of ammonition.
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Ouch!,


Thank you Fishman, Woodrow, Barney and Keltoi for the input,

Can Tazers kill, like guns would if you shoot someone (I know it is not always the case, but usually)?
 
Umma Wasat said:
Ouch!,


Thank you Fishman, Woodrow, Barney and Keltoi for the input,

Can Tazers kill, like guns would if you shoot someone (I know it is not always the case, but usually)?
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Tazers can and have killed. Insome ways they can be more dangerous then a gun as a person is more likely to use it. The only time to use one is if the target poses a threat to somebodies life. In other words if the situation does not justify lethal force a tazer should not be used.
 
Arent every cops in the world armed with guns? I think so! Or am I wrong?

I can only tell you about the countries where I was:

Germany - Armed
Turkey - Armed
Austria - Armed
Italy - Armed
Croatia - Armed
Mazedonia - Armed
Greece - Armed
Bulgaria - Armed
Hungary - Armed

The Fact is.. that every European Countrys Police officers have guns and are armed.
 
axess1907 said:
Arent every cops in the world armed with guns? I think so! Or am I wrong?

I can only tell you about the countries where I was:

Germany - Armed
Turkey - Armed
Austria - Armed
Italy - Armed
Croatia - Armed
Mazedonia - Armed
Greece - Armed
Bulgaria - Armed
Hungary - Armed

The Fact is.. that every European Countrys Police officers have guns and are armed.
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Iceland

The Icelandic National Police (Lögreglan and Ríkislögreglan) is Iceland's police force which is under the Ministry of Justice and Ecclesiastical affairs. The National Commissioner is the overall commander, but he answers to the minister. The police is divided into districts. Iceland also has a Customs police force (Tollgæslan) which is under the Ministry of Finance. Icelandic policemen generally do not carry firearms, instead they carry telescopic batons and pepper spray. The National Commissioner has a Special operations unit which is called Víkingasveitin.
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Republic of Ireland

The Republic of Ireland has an unarmed police agency, the Garda Síochána. All officers are trained in the use of firearms but remain unarmed on patrol; the exceptions are detectives and officers assigned to Special Branch and the Emergency Response Unit (like SWAT) who are armed. This was a result of the founding of the Gardaí after the Irish Civil War (1921-23) when it was seen as a necessary step to gain public confidence for the new state and its police force. Gardaí usually patrol in patrol cars or on foot in urban areas, though some use horses or bicycles to assist them in their work.

They have a police helicopter and a fixed wing aeroplane to assist in high speed chases. There are 12,000+ Members of the Garda Síochána, possibly the highest per-capita police force in the EU.
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Norway

The Norwegian national police force (Norwegian: Politiet) is subordinate to the Ministry of Justice and Police. The Politiet is divided into 27 regional police departments and seven nation-wide special departments. In total the force is comprised of about 11.000 employees, with the Oslo police precinct, as the largest, accounting for 2300.

Officers of the Politiet usually do not carry firearms, making the force one of the few unarmed police organizations in the world. They are instead armed with telescopic batons and pepper spray.
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United Kingdom

There are over 52 police forces in the United Kingdom, of varying sizes and responsibilities. UK police were once known as 'Peelers' (and more commonly as 'Bobbies') after Sir Robert Peel, who created the London Metropolitan Police force in 1829. There are three general types of police force:

The majority of policing is carried out by regional 'police forces', which are police forces that cover a 'police area' (a particular region) and have an independent Police Authority. Current police forces have their grounding in the Police Act 1996, which prescribes a number of issues such as appointment of a Chief Constable, jurisdiction and responsibilities. There are also national police forces that have a specific, non-regional jurisdiction, such as the British Transport Police. The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 refers to these as 'special police forces'.

There are a number of local police forces or 'private constabularies' that have escaped police reform, mostly having their foundations in old legislation. These have a responsibility to police specific local areas, such as ports and parks. Over the centuries there has been a wide variation in the number of police forces in the United Kingdom, with a huge number now no longer in existence. See List of former police forces in the United Kingdom for these.

With the exception of the Ministry of Defence Police, the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and the Police Service of Northern Ireland the majority of British police are never routinely armed, relying on an extendable baton instead and special armed units are called in only when necessary.

Uniquely in Britain, there are police forces of Crown Dependencies such as the Isle of Man, Falkland Islands, and States of Jersey & Guernsey, who have police forces that share resources with the UK police, whilst having a separate administration within their own governments.
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Of course, in the crime ridden streets of Britain, it would not make sense to arm the police with anything less than tanks and ICBMs...
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Fishman said:
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Of course, in the crime ridden streets of Britain, it would not make sense to arm the police with anything less than tanks and ICBMs...
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Bro, define ICBM's

JazakAllahu khairun everyone,

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
 
Just to add, the UK police are armed with pepper spray or CS gas cylinders as standard issue.

Each area has a armed response vehical in reserve with one MP5 Semiauto version of the SMG , and two Automatic's usually Berreta 92f or Browing HP's. I think some areas like London use SIG's and Glocks.
 
barney said:
Just to add, the UK police are armed with pepper spray or CS gas cylinders as standard issue.

Each area has a armed response vehical in reserve with one MP5 Semiauto version of the SMG , and two Automatic's usually Berreta 92f or Browing HP's. I think some areas like London use SIG's and Glocks.
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I think of pepper spray as cutting onions it is not that powerful isit, in fact it's now a toy that teenagers play with,

Thanks bro for the comments.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
 
Police tend to be armed only if the population at large is also armed. In the UK, that's not really the case. Sure, there's gang warfare with adapted replica guns or smuggled guns, but most people don't own a gun. Contrast this with somewhere such as the States, where everyone is legally allowed to own a gun, and it makes sense that the police should also carry such weapons.

Fishman said:
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Of course, in the crime ridden streets of Britain, it would not make sense to arm the police with anything less than tanks and ICBMs...
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Alternatively, I could just dress as a giant bat.

Or not.
 
Woodrow said:
I must have been ashamed to admit it came from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_by_country

My error,I thought I had posted the wiki link.



However, I did a quick search of those countries and found they were in compliant with the Wiki article.
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Lol wow that was quick mashaAllah,

Its okay jazakAllah I just needed to add the link for my references.

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
 
Muezzin said:
Police tend to be armed only if the population at large is also armed. In the UK, that's not really the case. Sure, there's gang warfare with adapted replica guns or smuggled guns, but most people don't own a gun. Contrast this with somewhere such as the States, where everyone is legally allowed to own a gun, and it makes sense that the police should also carry such weapons.
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JazakAllah khair for that,

Alternatively, I could just dress as a giant bat.

Or not.
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No, no, go for it bruv!

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
 
Umma Wasat said:
Bro, define ICBMs
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When it goes up, you really don't want it to come back down again...
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Just when I need Czgibson he goes offline, Anyone willing to look at my work for me,

Its too short doh doh doh

Argh! Another 500 words to go..

Peace.
 
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I suppose it's a question of whether or not the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

Ultimately, will arming the police make any given society safer or more dangerous?

Personally, I would think the former because knowing that the police are armed will most likely act as a deterrent for crime.

Not to say that crime would disappear completely, but simply that there wouldn't be as much of it.

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Osman said:
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Personally, I would think the former because knowing that the police are armed will most likely act as a deterrent for crime.
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WalaykumSalaam, I already said that it acts as a deterrence

Not to say that crime would disappear completely, but simply that there wouldn't be as much of it.
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But bro Woodrows post contradicts that since states like Texas have armed coppas but there crime statistics are dangerously high!

JazakAllah khair by the way, You're a star!

AsalamuALaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
 
Umma Wasat said:
WalaykumSalaam, I already said that it acts as a deterrence



But bro Woodrows post contradicts that since states like Texas have armed coppas but there crime statistics are dangerously high!

JazakAllah khair by the way, You're a star!

AsalamuALaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
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Actually all 50 of our states have armed police. The states with the highest crime rates and the states with the lowest crime rates. all of the cops in all of the states are under the same federal laws, and all do have armed police.

There must be some other factor involved besides if the cops are armed or not armed.

Here are the crime states for all 50 states for the years 2004 and 2005. It seems the states with the highest crimes rates are the states with the largest cities.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html



California the state with the highest crime rate has the most large cities. Vermont the state with the lowest has no large cities. Texas number 2 on the stats has three very large cities, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. It also seems those cities account for most of the crimes in Texas.

Here are the 2006 crime stats for the 72 largest cities in the USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 

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