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Uthmān;1253767 said:Very interesting article: How Islamic finance missed heavenly chance
Uthmān;1258394 said:Another very interesting article: How Sharia-compliant is Islamic banking?
Interesting articles, I never really understood how Islamic banking worked because of the no interest thing.
Edit: that BBC news article a few posts up is absolutely spot on. Our lecturers (one of them a Sheik who is on a sharia advisory board!) have been telling us all that information throughout this year. It also ties in with the debate surrounding Islamic banking. It's very interesting and unfortunate but at the same time to be expected: Islamic banking has only been around for a short time (30 odd years now....) so there are still teething problems, but through time should ease itself out. It's unfortunate and sad, however, that scholars are being bought....
This article really will make me think twice about Islamic finance. And I found the bit about the scholars highly disturbing....
In the Prophet sallallaahu alaihi wa sallams time, (if I'm right) if someone had a loan, they just paid it back. There was never any intention of that becoming an opportunity for someone to make money. I wander if their houses were paid in cash in full? And those who couldn't afford it rented? I wander if anyone has any information on that?
I believe the Prophet himself did actually use mudarabah with his wife Khadijah (I can't remember 100% tho) in business matters - she would provide the money and he would provide the know-how. Murabaha is an evolution of mudarabah but I can't remember if it was used in Prophet's time.And murabaha and musharaka and the like..are they principles from the time of the Prophet sallallaahu alihi wa sallam, mentioned in the ahadeeth?
Jazaakallah khair.
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I'll ask my lecturers next week about that. If memory serves correct, ijaraha and salam were used to facilitate those sorts of transactions. Though I'm not completely sure on that - I'll check next week.
I believe the Prophet himself did actually use mudarabah with his wife Khadijah (I can't remember 100% tho) in business matters - she would provide the money and he would provide the know-how. Murabaha is an evolution of mudarabah but I can't remember if it was used in Prophet's time.
Musharakah was probably used at that time tho, since it's selling at mark up (or cost-plus) - it's pretty basic concept of business, so I'm pretty sure it was done at that time.
I should add on to my last post: majority of conventional banking is regarded as halaal (and available in Islamic banks) - like 90%. The last 10% is to do with debt financing (which is haram). So in that regard, Islamic banking is better for muslims as you're only getting halaal products.
But, given the information we have (back-door interest, bribary of scholars etc), it's difficult to tell the real difference between sharia and non-sharia compliant banking - I wouldn't be able to say XYZ islamic bank is more halaal than Natwest or HSBC for instance because of the problems already highlighted.
Again tho, (and you'll hear this a lot) to be expected: islamic banking is still in growth stage.
p.s: If you guys/gals (muslim or not) have any questions regarding Islamic banking, please do ask them here. If I cannot answer them (yes, there is a limit to my awesomeness), my teachers can.
I think it has a potential to improve standards. Here some have tried to come up with the solution by pooling of funds. A bank has funds/share in set of businesses that they know well, and then they give share to depositor in the savings account. It works similar to mutual fund, and fund manager in the bank tries to make a well balanced portfolio. But the concerns people have shown are that they don't know much about the business prospects, operations/practices, and management that their money is invested in. This is a valid concern, and trying resolving it would mean better sharing of knowledge and rating about revenue/risk models of the businesses, screening process, and transparency regarding the management and their operations/practices. This would be very beneficial for the industries across the board (but most importantly for banking and finance industry).For instance, mudarabah (limited partnership) and murabaha (unlimited partnership) - they work very well in 1 to 1, face-to-face transactions (they'd probably be better suited to corporate banking now that I think about it). But (commercial) banks, like Natwest/HSBC etc don't operate on a 1 to 1 basis (certainly not face-to-face anyway), so they suffer from a lot of information problems (lemon or principle-agent problems).
Luxembourg should be the last hub of any finance, their debt is 2 trillion with the GDP only 54 billion. Luxembourg is one of the country with highest Debt to GDP ratio.Uthmān;1283992 said:
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