Atheism

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I'm wondering how you got that. He was actually saying the opposite. That the theory of evoloution (of human beings) would collapse in ten years.

 

[SpaceFalcon2001]

I think he was saying evolution would collapse within 10 years (yeah right).

 

[yoshiyahu]

I'm wondering how you got that. He was actually saying the opposite. That the theory of evoloution (of human beings) would collapse in ten years.

OK. Sorry bout that y'all.

I'm inclined to disagree, being that I think evolutionism and creationism are compatible with each other.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Yes, that's true. But there are many who feel that evoloution is not very accurate.

 

[yoshiyahu]

I can understand that. My POV is that evolution is not heretical, per se, but only if one uses it as a justification of rejection of G-d. (Perhaps this is similar to the discussion about whether or not G-d can be considered to be part of everything?)

 

[root]

The answer for the early hypothosis that life was brought to the planet via comets and meteorites is this?

"Is it possible for simple microbial life" to survive the cold vacuum of space on the back of a meteorite\comet.

Answer: YES

"is it possible for matter to be part of one planet, and after a massive impact be ejected into space"

Answer: YES

Is it possible for microbial life to be ejected with the matter

Answer: YES

Do many people beleive this as a possibility

Answer: No

hhmmm, I wonder why. Though Science is investigating this issue, it is highly probable it has occured since peices of mars can and do end up on the Earth. the earth itself increases it's mass by around 1 Ton per day due to such matter hitting the Earth.

 

[Chuck]

The main question still remains the same, even if life started on other planet, how it got started in the first place.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

True. So it makes no difference whether it came from here or there, that doesn't explain the origin of life.

And a question I would ask is,

How long can microbial life survive on a meteor and under what conditions?

 

[yoshiyahu]

How long can microbial life survive on a meteor and under what conditions?

Yes, we do not know for sure at the present time.

Microbial life has been found on mars, and there is evidence (according to a recent report from NASA scientists) that there may be slightly more complex lifeforms underneath the surface of some areas.

 

[root]

Hi All

How long can microbial life survive on a meteor and under what conditions?

Without limit of time is the probable answer. This is based on the fact that bacteria that is 15km down in the deep perma frost of the coldest regions of the earth, have revived from a deep suspended animation when conditions are favourable. Bactriums have been known to be thousands of years old suddenly spring to life given favourable conditions.

So it makes no difference whether it came from here or there, that doesn't explain the origin of life.

It makes a big massive difference actually. Since contemporary evolutionary theory at present does not account for the evolution of life being far older than planet earth itself, given that the DNA history of our life may well extent further into an unknown time scale and origin.

Microbial life has been found on mars, and there is evidence (according to a recent report from NASA scientists) that there may be slightly more complex lifeforms underneath the surface of some areas.

Actually, this is not correct. I personally beleive that life is abundant within our solar system and will be widespread throughout the universe. I beleive also that Mars does hold life especially now we know that Mars does have liquid water. Unfortunately, at this current time life on Mars is still inconclusive since the "Fossolised Bacteriums" found can be replicated due to the thin layer of gold that is used for the super magnification technique used.

 

[Chuck]

It makes a big massive difference actually. Since contemporary evolutionary theory at present does not account for the evolution of life being far older than planet earth itself, given that the DNA history of our life may well extent further into an unknown time scale and origin.

But it doesn't make a difference for abiogenesis.

Definition
Abiogenesis: the hypothesis that life can come into being from nonliving materials.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/abiogenesis.html

 

[root]

But it doesn't make a difference for abiogenesis.

"life from inanimate matter: the hypothesis that life can come into being from nonliving materials."

I would agree with you, but I am not referencing "nonliving material" I am referencing the movement of life through the violent chaotic universe.

 

[Chuck]

I think we have gotten off topic as it is not in the context of Atheism. I mean if you are saying evolution, or the theory that life originated somewhere else in the universe, supports atheism then imo it will be within the context of the topic.

 

[root]

I think we have gotten off topic as it is not in the context of Atheism. I mean if you are saying evolution, or the theory that life originated somewhere else in the universe, supports atheism then imo it will be within the context of the topic.

I like when non atheist's try to dictate the context of "Atheism". Clearly by indicating that the "Theory" of evolution "May" have it's origins beyond our own planet ("And the Quran supports this") is not exactly going off topic.

 

[root]

If you would like a creationist response, see:
http://darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_06.html

Don't ya just hate such comments, If your going to subscribe to creationism you should at least make yourself firmililar with modern discoveries. let us look at the opening paragraph:

Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis ) were human beings who suddenly appeared 100,000 years ago in Europe, and who disappeared, or were assimilated by mixing with other races.

Firstly, Neanderthol man walked the earth 250,000 years ago and as recent as 30,000 years ago and have not just been found in Europe but Western Asia too. This site get's off to a very bad factual start.

Their only difference from modern man is that their skeletons are more robust and their cranial capacity slightly bigger.

Wehey, I agree with this. Since both Neanderthol man & Homo Sapien share a common ancestry with Homo hiedelbergensis. Thier are 7 known species of man "Walking upright & with a frame that supports upright walking".

 

[kadafi]

Firstly, Neanderthol man walked the earth 250,000 years ago and as recent as 30,000 years ago and have not just been found in Europe but Western Asia too. This site get's off to a very bad factual start.

My guess is that the article was written pre-2k. The fact that they inhabitated 250k ago or 150k doesn't matter. What matters is if they're our ancestors as asserted by the Evolutionists.

By the way, the Neanderthals originated from Europe and migrated to the East.

 

[root]

But their not our only known Ancestors, I guess the site is a little out dated since it names only three other known Human ancestors, when it is actually Seven which excludes the ones disputed.

Neandothal and Modern man did exist within the same regions together and other Human species too as to what happened next is a hypothosy between the extinction of one species at the hand of the other or a lack of ability to adapt. We do know the entire human species at that time were taken to the brink of extinction and reduced in numbers to some 2,000. We are all related to this 2000 that were left.

The most recent extinction being the "Hobit" a 3 ft man stranded on flanders.

 

[Uthman]

Homo floresiensis? That was a remarkable discovery indeed.

Wow, this topic really has diverted. But it's kinda related and cool.

 

[root]

Homo floresiensis? That was a remarkable discovery indeed.

Wow, this topic really has diverted. But it's kinda related and cool.

Your right it is remarkable. Evolutionists have said for years that "small" spaces force nature to evolve small, it has been proven in animals yet the creationists constantly denied it possible for humans until hobbit was discovered (7 of them actually). The discovery of the hobbit showed that just like animals the Human body will evolve by shrinking to adapt to new smaller surroundings, the only species to actually get larger are reptiles and again this was correct on flanders since the komodo Dragon was both the hunter and the hunted of Hobit man. Hobit man went distinct due to a natural disaster from a near by Volcano 13,000 years ago, yet we find that Homo-Erectus was making clothes & jewelry 26,000 years ago showing that they co-existed and that in actual fact multiple species of the Human form were co-existing.

 

[Uthman]

Wow! I can learn a lot from you root! It is amazing how these organisms adapt to their surroundings. Speaking of all this adaptation and whatnot, will it still not change your views regarding an intelligent being having created all this?