Atheism

Is there evidence for the existence of God?


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A female Sufi is reported by on of the Crusader histories to have walked through the streets of the Middle East with a bucket of water and a pot of hot coals saying she was going to burn Paradise and extinguish the flames of Hell. When the Christians asked why she said that everyone ought to do the right thing for the love of God alone, and not the threat of Heaven or Hell. Do you agree with that in general?
No, that contradicts the Qur'an which says that we must worship God with love, hope and fear, all three principles. If one abandons part of them they become deviated. But that is the topic of another thread.

As for the teapot and the unicorn, we can continue that in the other thread.
 
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I think the main matter is that atheists want to draw a line between religion and science.

Islam brings both together. Science helps one reflect on the creations, and religion helps one to be stable so that they dont get lost.
 
I think the main matter is that atheists want to draw a line between religion and science.

No, I think science rejects the "supernatural" element when seeking answers unlike faiths.

Islam brings both together. Science helps one reflect on the creations, and religion helps one to be stable so that they dont get lost.

No religous faith can harmonise science with faith, period.
 
i was thinking about this....and i thought that look at the laws....i mean how would someone know what is right and what is wrong without religion....i mean dont you guys see theft as a crime?....of course you do....but what made you think so...what is the source to it....there are many other things that you may consider wrong...you even consider backbiting as wrong dont you :?....so like what made you think so...???

im sorry if this topic has been discussed before....but i dont think so and thats why i posted it :)

:peace:
 
Greetings,
i was thinking about this....and i thought that look at the laws....i mean how would someone know what is right and what is wrong without religion....i mean dont you guys see theft as a crime?....of course you do....but what made you think so...what is the source to it....there are many other things that you may consider wrong...you even consider backbiting as wrong dont you :?....so like what made you think so...???

Theft is anti-social - simple as that.

Peace
 
Theft is anti-social - simple as that.

yes but i guess the monkey brains wouldnt know that right :? its 'simple as that' but you dnt know why its anti-social n y its bad right :?.....n wat bout the other questions :?

:w:
 
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Czgibson, if there really was god, I believe and you don't.
Would you ask you for guidence.
 
Greetings Tagrid,
yes but i guess the monkey brains wouldnt know that right :? its 'simple as that' but you dnt know why its anti-social n y its bad right :?.....n wat bout the other questions :?

Try stealing something from a monkey and see what reaction you get!

Greetings anis,

Czgibson, if there really was god, I believe and you don't.
Would you ask you for guidence.

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

Peace
 
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sorry--for the bad question

You can't prove no matter what that there is no God.
Now you not believing so, you have nothing to loose if you ask the "creator" to guide you.

You reflect. I know you do a lot but do think of God.
I swear if you look for guidence you will find it.
But if you try to prove against it that will not help.

So Would you ask for guidence or not.
 
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Greetings,
You can't prove no matter what that there is no God.

Correct.

Now you not believing so, you have nothing to loose if you ask the "creator" to guide you.

I've tried it - no response that I could detect.

You reflect. I know you do a lot but do think of God.
I swear if you look for guidence you will find it.

Isn't that about the same as saying "if you want to believe in god, then he exists"?

Peace
 
Greetings

I am new here and have not read all the other 10 pages.sorry

Here are some questions for the atheists.

Do you believe in the steady state theory?
Do you believe the universe was created?

Answer these 2 for me please.
We will discuss later
 
Greetings Muslim Soldier,

Here's my attempt at answering your questions:

Do you believe in the steady state theory?

I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it to be honest. It seems to be less favoured than the Big Bang theory, which I believe to be the closest to the truth that we have at present.
Do you believe the universe was created?

No. I believe it came into being; I've not seen any evidence that suggests it was consciously created.

Greetings Pagal Kuri,

Pagal Kuri said:
What kind of response did you want....

Anything at all whereby I could say "that was from god - not from my own mind or anywhere else, but definitely from god". Still waiting, sadly.

I say sadly because I think it might be quite comforting to believe that god was constantly watching you and maintaining the world. However, I've never seen any evidence that supports this hypothesis, so therefore I see no reason to believe god is anything other than a product of human imaginations working overtime.

Peace
 
Greetings,
How did it come into being?

This is perhaps the ultimate mystery, so forgive me if I don't answer it to your satisfaction!

Nobody knows for sure how the universe came into being, but the Big Bang theory seems most likely at the moment.

Peace
 
How can "The existence of God is an undeniable FACT" when there is no proof? I have no problem with anyone who beleives. I also beleve. But it is faith, not fact. The fact is that the existance of god can neither be proved or disproved.
 
Might I just bring a few quotes from evolutionists themselves, which in my opinion shows clearly how "proved" the theory really is?

I found them on a site in my language, and the quotes are translated to that language, probably from English. So my quotations probably don't render the exact English quotations. Nevertheless, the meaning should be the same. Here they are:

Sir Arthur Keith, one of the most knowledgable on the theory of evolution at his time, stated:

"The evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe in it because the only alternative is creation, which is unthinkable."

The bio-chemist Ernest Kahane stated similarly:

"It is absurd and absolutely crazy to believe that a living cell would be able to arise by itself; despite that, I believe it anyways, because I can't imagine that it could be any other way."

So, in summary, they have already dismissed the alternative of a Creator, because it's unthinkable, there must be any other explanation, and they are forced to cling to that explanation regardless of how ridiculous it may be, because else they have to admit that there is a Creator.

How can "The existence of God is an undeniable FACT" when there is no proof? I have no problem with anyone who beleives. I also beleve. But it is faith, not fact. The fact is that the existance of god can neither be proved or disproved.

Please listen to the wise words of the Bedouin. This is from Tafsir ibn Kathir:

Once a bedouin was asked about the evidence to Allah's existence, he responded, "All praise is due to Allah! The camel's dung testifies to the existence of the camel, and the track testifies to the fact that someone was walking. A sky that holds the giant stars, a land that has fairways and a sea that has waves, does not all of this testify that the Most Kind, Most Knowledgeable exists''
 
Do you maintain that god isn't smart enough or mighty enough to use evolution as his tool? You probide no proof, just faith. That is fine, accept it for what it is and not try to make it something that it isn't.
 
We can discuss proof for creation later if you want. However, my point for now is, evolution is not as proved as evolutionists say it is! Please give me your opinion on the quotes from the atheists and the quote from the Bedouin.
 
When you say “evolution is not as proved as evolutionists say it is’” it shows your lack of understanding of what a “scientific theory” is. And your equating “evolution = no god”, shows you lack of understanding about evolution. If you deny the hundreds of millions of pieces of evidence and findings of hundreds of thousands great minds that have spent there lives studying the evidence, then surly you mind is so closed that no fresh thought has a chance of entering it.
 
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