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Sorry you got me confused from your sentence you are implying the Mohammed s.a.w wrote the quraan? Which is false because it is the Word of Allah s.w.t and was bought down by Jibrail A.S and I would very much like to know where in the Quraan such allegations are made....
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Where did Darwin clearly state this in his book? The Theory of Evolution must be one of the most thoroughly tested theories in science. People hate it and its implications. And yet it is still clearly the best explanation for how life has developed over time. Why do you think that evolution is not true? And by you I don't mean Harum Yahya or the good Dr Naik.
Well I try my best, but I am not sure the atheist label applies.
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i read somewhere....
on this earth...(long time ago) there is other species like human... (i dunno whether we can call it homo sapiens) and it has characteristics like human being...
but that species... they behave like animals... not human... they cannot think...like us...
if the darwin theory is true... why other type of animals do not evolve... and think like the human think...
on this earth...(long time ago) there is other species like human... (i dunno whether we can call it homo sapiens) and it has characteristics like human being...
but that species... they behave like animals... not human... they cannot think...like us...
if the darwin theory is true... why other type of animals do not evolve... and think like the human think...
Well there are a lot of fossils of proto-humans or members of our family but who were not human. To quote from Wikipedia (of course!)
Homo habilis
H. habilis lived from about 2.4 to 1.5 million years ago (MYA). H. habilis, the first species of the genus Homo, evolved in South and East Africa in the late Pliocene or early Pleistocene, 2.5–2 MYA, when it diverged from the Australopithecines. H. habilis had smaller molars and larger brains than the Australopithecines, and made tools from stone and perhaps animal bones. One of the first known hominids, it was nicknamed 'handy man' by its discoverer, Louis Leakey. Some scientists have proposed moving this species out of Homo and into Australopithecus.
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Homo rudolfensis and Homo georgicus
These are proposed species names for fossils from about 1.9-1.6 MYA, the relation of which with H. habilis is not yet clear.
* H. rudolfensis refers to a single, incomplete skull from Kenya.
* H.georgicus, from Georgia, may be an intermediate form between H. habilis and H. erectus.
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Homo ergaster and Homo erectus
The first fossils of Homo erectus were discovered by Dutch physician Eugene Dubois in 1891 on the Indonesian island of Java. He originally gave the material the name Pithecanthropus erectus based on its morphology that he considered to be intermediate between that of humans and apes.
H. erectus lived from about 1.8 MYA to 70,000 years ago. Often the early phase, from 1.8 to 1.25 MYA, is considered to be a separate species, H. ergaster, or it is seen as a subspecies of erectus, Homo erectus ergaster.
In the Early Pleistocene, 1.5–1 MYA, in Africa, Asia, and Europe, presumably, Homo habilis evolved larger brains and made more elaborate stone tools; these differences and others are sufficient for anthropologists to classify them as a new species, H. erectus. In addition H. erectus was the first human ancestor to walk truly upright. This was made possible by the evolution of locking knees and a different location of the foramen magnum (the hole in the skull where the spine enters). They may have used fire to cook their meat.
A famous example of Homo erectus is Peking Man; others were found in Asia (notably in Indonesia), Africa, and Europe. Many paleoanthropologists are now using the term Homo ergaster for the non-Asian forms of this group, and reserving H. erectus only for those fossils found in the Asian region and meeting certain skeletal and dental requirements which differ slightly from ergaster.
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Homo cepranensis and Homo antecessor
These are proposed as species that may be intermediate between H. erectus and H. heidelbergensis.
* H. cepranensis refers to a single skull cap from Italy, estimated to be about 800,000 years old.
* H. antecessor is known from fossils from Spain and England that are 800,000-500,000 years old.
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Homo heidelbergensis
H. heidelbergensis (Heidelberg Man) lived from about 800,000 to about 300,000 years ago. Also proposed as Homo sapiens heidelbergensis or Homo sapiens paleohungaricus.
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Homo neanderthalensis
H. neanderthalensis lived from about 250,000 to 30,000 years ago. Also proposed as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis: there is ongoing debate over whether the 'Neanderthal Man' was a separate species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of H. sapiens. While the debate remains unsettled, the prevailing view of evidence, collected by examining mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomal DNA, currently indicates that little or no gene flow occurred between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens, and, therefore, the two were separate species. In 1997, Dr. Mark Stoneking, then an associate professor of anthropology at Pennsylvania State University, stated: "These results [based on mitochondrial DNA extracted from Neanderthal bone] indicate that Neanderthals did not contribute mitochondrial DNA to modern humans… Neanderthals are not our ancestors." Subsequent investigation of a second source of Neanderthal DNA confirmed these findings. However, supporters of the multiregional hypothesis point to recent studies indicating non-African nuclear DNA heritage dating to one MYA, as well as apparent hybrid fossils found in Portugal and elsewhere, in rebuttal to the prevailing view.
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Homo rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
* H. rhodesiensis, estimated to be 300,000-125,000 years old, seems to be a mix of H. neanderthalensis, H. heidelbergensis, and H. sapiens: it has been assigned to each of these three species.
* In February 2006 a fossil, the Gawis cranium, was found which is suspected to be a species intermediate between H. erectus and H. sapiens. The skull from Gawis, Ethiopia, is believed to be 500,000-250,000 years old. Only summary details are known. Gawis man used tools and fire, and its facial features suggest its being an intermediate species. So far, it has not yet been named. [1]
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Homo sapiens
H. sapiens ("sapiens" means wise or intelligent) has lived from about 200 TYA to the present. Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in cranial expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens. The direct evidence suggests there was a migration of H. erectus out of Africa, then a further speciation of H. sapiens from H. erectus in Africa (there is little evidence that this speciation occurred elsewhere). Then a subsequent migration within and out of Africa eventually replaced the earlier dispersed H. erectus. However, the current evidence does not preclude multiregional speciation, either. This is a hotly debated area in paleoanthropology.
Current research establishes that human beings are highly genetically homogenous, meaning that the DNA of individual Homo sapiens is more alike than usual for most species, a result of our relatively recent evolution. Distinctive genetic characteristics have arisen however, primarily as the result of small groups of people moving into new environmental circumstances. Such small groups are initially highly inbred, allowing the relatively rapid transmission of traits favorable to the new environment. These adapted traits are a very small component of the Homo sapiens genome and include such outward "racial" characteristics as skin color and nose form in addition to internal characteristics such as the ability to breathe more efficiently in high altitudes.
H. habilis lived from about 2.4 to 1.5 million years ago (MYA). H. habilis, the first species of the genus Homo, evolved in South and East Africa in the late Pliocene or early Pleistocene, 2.5–2 MYA, when it diverged from the Australopithecines. H. habilis had smaller molars and larger brains than the Australopithecines, and made tools from stone and perhaps animal bones. One of the first known hominids, it was nicknamed 'handy man' by its discoverer, Louis Leakey. Some scientists have proposed moving this species out of Homo and into Australopithecus.
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Homo rudolfensis and Homo georgicus
These are proposed species names for fossils from about 1.9-1.6 MYA, the relation of which with H. habilis is not yet clear.
* H. rudolfensis refers to a single, incomplete skull from Kenya.
* H.georgicus, from Georgia, may be an intermediate form between H. habilis and H. erectus.
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Homo ergaster and Homo erectus
The first fossils of Homo erectus were discovered by Dutch physician Eugene Dubois in 1891 on the Indonesian island of Java. He originally gave the material the name Pithecanthropus erectus based on its morphology that he considered to be intermediate between that of humans and apes.
H. erectus lived from about 1.8 MYA to 70,000 years ago. Often the early phase, from 1.8 to 1.25 MYA, is considered to be a separate species, H. ergaster, or it is seen as a subspecies of erectus, Homo erectus ergaster.
In the Early Pleistocene, 1.5–1 MYA, in Africa, Asia, and Europe, presumably, Homo habilis evolved larger brains and made more elaborate stone tools; these differences and others are sufficient for anthropologists to classify them as a new species, H. erectus. In addition H. erectus was the first human ancestor to walk truly upright. This was made possible by the evolution of locking knees and a different location of the foramen magnum (the hole in the skull where the spine enters). They may have used fire to cook their meat.
A famous example of Homo erectus is Peking Man; others were found in Asia (notably in Indonesia), Africa, and Europe. Many paleoanthropologists are now using the term Homo ergaster for the non-Asian forms of this group, and reserving H. erectus only for those fossils found in the Asian region and meeting certain skeletal and dental requirements which differ slightly from ergaster.
[edit]
Homo cepranensis and Homo antecessor
These are proposed as species that may be intermediate between H. erectus and H. heidelbergensis.
* H. cepranensis refers to a single skull cap from Italy, estimated to be about 800,000 years old.
* H. antecessor is known from fossils from Spain and England that are 800,000-500,000 years old.
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Homo heidelbergensis
H. heidelbergensis (Heidelberg Man) lived from about 800,000 to about 300,000 years ago. Also proposed as Homo sapiens heidelbergensis or Homo sapiens paleohungaricus.
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Homo neanderthalensis
H. neanderthalensis lived from about 250,000 to 30,000 years ago. Also proposed as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis: there is ongoing debate over whether the 'Neanderthal Man' was a separate species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of H. sapiens. While the debate remains unsettled, the prevailing view of evidence, collected by examining mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomal DNA, currently indicates that little or no gene flow occurred between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens, and, therefore, the two were separate species. In 1997, Dr. Mark Stoneking, then an associate professor of anthropology at Pennsylvania State University, stated: "These results [based on mitochondrial DNA extracted from Neanderthal bone] indicate that Neanderthals did not contribute mitochondrial DNA to modern humans… Neanderthals are not our ancestors." Subsequent investigation of a second source of Neanderthal DNA confirmed these findings. However, supporters of the multiregional hypothesis point to recent studies indicating non-African nuclear DNA heritage dating to one MYA, as well as apparent hybrid fossils found in Portugal and elsewhere, in rebuttal to the prevailing view.
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Homo rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
* H. rhodesiensis, estimated to be 300,000-125,000 years old, seems to be a mix of H. neanderthalensis, H. heidelbergensis, and H. sapiens: it has been assigned to each of these three species.
* In February 2006 a fossil, the Gawis cranium, was found which is suspected to be a species intermediate between H. erectus and H. sapiens. The skull from Gawis, Ethiopia, is believed to be 500,000-250,000 years old. Only summary details are known. Gawis man used tools and fire, and its facial features suggest its being an intermediate species. So far, it has not yet been named. [1]
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Homo sapiens
H. sapiens ("sapiens" means wise or intelligent) has lived from about 200 TYA to the present. Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in cranial expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens. The direct evidence suggests there was a migration of H. erectus out of Africa, then a further speciation of H. sapiens from H. erectus in Africa (there is little evidence that this speciation occurred elsewhere). Then a subsequent migration within and out of Africa eventually replaced the earlier dispersed H. erectus. However, the current evidence does not preclude multiregional speciation, either. This is a hotly debated area in paleoanthropology.
Current research establishes that human beings are highly genetically homogenous, meaning that the DNA of individual Homo sapiens is more alike than usual for most species, a result of our relatively recent evolution. Distinctive genetic characteristics have arisen however, primarily as the result of small groups of people moving into new environmental circumstances. Such small groups are initially highly inbred, allowing the relatively rapid transmission of traits favorable to the new environment. These adapted traits are a very small component of the Homo sapiens genome and include such outward "racial" characteristics as skin color and nose form in addition to internal characteristics such as the ability to breathe more efficiently in high altitudes.
However there is a lot of debate about how "human" they were. In particular there is a question about Neanderthals. They seem to have buried their dead and mourned them - grave sites have been found. But this is debateable. There is some argument about whether they could talk. They certainly lived in social groups and cared for their young and their old. There is a lot of debate about how far back members of the Homo group used fire and tools and I think it is likely to be before Neanderthals.
You assume we are some perfect evolutionary end goal. We are not. We are what we are. Evolution only looks for what is locally best - a better runner, a better swimmer, a better eater of bananas. It does not look to some "ideal" solution. And we are probably not that ideal anyway. So of course each and every animal evolves for the niche is it in. Why would cows evolve to be smart? They do not need it. It is no use to them. Why would they evolve to walk upright?
All animals evolve. It is just that we have evolved in a niche that rewards walking upright, having little hair and being smart.
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Greetings,
I think you may find the answers to your questions earlier on in this thread, and in some of the other threads on atheism.
What?!
I think the science community should definitely be informed of this!
Can you provide any evidence to support this bizarre claim?
Yes, he did start his theory in his book. By publishing it, he made the world aware of it.
As I said, you could have a look at this thread or the others on atheism. Another option might be to click on 'Find more posts' from atheists such as root and myself. For the full professional treatment, you could try reading some of the best books there are giving atheist perspectives, such as David Hume's Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion or J. L. Mackie's Miracle of Theism.
Hope that helps.
Peace
I think you may find the answers to your questions earlier on in this thread, and in some of the other threads on atheism.
What?!
I think the science community should definitely be informed of this!
Can you provide any evidence to support this bizarre claim?
Yes, he did start his theory in his book. By publishing it, he made the world aware of it.
As I said, you could have a look at this thread or the others on atheism. Another option might be to click on 'Find more posts' from atheists such as root and myself. For the full professional treatment, you could try reading some of the best books there are giving atheist perspectives, such as David Hume's Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion or J. L. Mackie's Miracle of Theism.
Hope that helps.
Peace
Greetings and peace Muhammad Waqqas;
If you are saying not a single thing atheist say makes sense then maybe you are closing your mind to all forms of reasoning outside Islam.
I feel we have to give our non- believing friends the benefit of the doubt, if there really way proof for the existence of God it would be visible to all believers and we would probably all believe the same.
There would be no Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. all theists would probably share the same faith.
This conclusive proof does not exist and so we have thousands of logical explanations of what God might be.
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
If you are saying not a single thing atheist say makes sense then maybe you are closing your mind to all forms of reasoning outside Islam.
I feel we have to give our non- believing friends the benefit of the doubt, if there really way proof for the existence of God it would be visible to all believers and we would probably all believe the same.
There would be no Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. all theists would probably share the same faith.
This conclusive proof does not exist and so we have thousands of logical explanations of what God might be.
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
There is proof of God, it is intuitive logic, however athiest accept the intuitive logic to all things except the origin of the universe, when then all of a sudden, it just flies out the window for them
not all thiest search for the truth, all those who search for truth find it, because intuitive logic is in all of us
There is conclusive proof, however if you depend on non-logic, like all your statements are, then ofcourse, you can't get to that proof
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Greetings,
Where does this idea come from, that the existence of god has been proven? I see it again and again on this forum, yet anyone who gave this claim the slightest consideration would know that if it were true, then everyone would believe in god, just as everyone believes in Pythagoras' theorem.
Also, the origin of the universe is a difficult matter to consider under the rules of logic, since we have no information about it. Therefore it is not possible to apply logic to it.
Whose statements consist of non-logic? Are you using a different definition of logic than the rest of the world?
Peace
Where does this idea come from, that the existence of god has been proven? I see it again and again on this forum, yet anyone who gave this claim the slightest consideration would know that if it were true, then everyone would believe in god, just as everyone believes in Pythagoras' theorem.
Also, the origin of the universe is a difficult matter to consider under the rules of logic, since we have no information about it. Therefore it is not possible to apply logic to it.
Whose statements consist of non-logic? Are you using a different definition of logic than the rest of the world?
Peace
This the problem right there, the same logic we all universally agree upon is out of the window when discussing origin of the universe
You don't want to apply logic to it, but if you apply logic to it, the truth is apparent
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Coming back to the nonsense of this point:
Sorry to go over it again, but I thought new information may help shed light on the dangers of absolute truth for something we do not yet understand. Only a fool would claim "absolute truth" to questions as big as the one you seem to answer with an uneasy ease
A dark matter parallel universe may exist
Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4974134.stm
Last Updated: Friday, 5 May 2006, 16:24 GMT 17:24 UK
Sorry to go over it again, but I thought new information may help shed light on the dangers of absolute truth for something we do not yet understand. Only a fool would claim "absolute truth" to questions as big as the one you seem to answer with an uneasy ease
A dark matter parallel universe may exist
Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4974134.stm
Last Updated: Friday, 5 May 2006, 16:24 GMT 17:24 UK
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Correct.
But with an infinate number of universes you then get an infinate number of variation (mass etc etc) which gives you the "chance" to hit the "just right" spot for a stable universe as opposed to one universe one chance to get it right!
Which leads me onto my next point, i always have difficulty understanding why religous doctrine always tries to paint our earth and Humans as a "special creation". Not only do we find a truly astounding number of suns and orbiting planets in the universe I(afterall thier are more suns than grains of sand on the earth) and most suns will have planets orbiting them. Why make billions and billions of planets and consider "earth" special. Indeed, why create billions of universes which probably contain an infinate number of stars and planets like our own universe. Surely, a car manufacturer does not make a trillion cars for every car he actually uses and sells? where is the logic
Time is a concept album by Electric Light Orchestra. It was released in 1981 (see 1981 in music). In 2001 it was reissued with three additional tracks that were B-sides of singles from the original album.
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i know the animals evolve... i just want to know why they do not think like we think... i mean in the sense of act based on feeling, having to analyze and having a critical thinking...
i know some of the human act like animals...but i'm not talking about them...
i want an answer and prove saying that human is not unique and human that try his best to be compassionate, not being hyprocrites..., not acting on impulse...and etc are not better than animals...
i know some of the human act like animals...but i'm not talking about them...
i want an answer and prove saying that human is not unique and human that try his best to be compassionate, not being hyprocrites..., not acting on impulse...and etc are not better than animals...
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