Atheism

[IceQueen~]

"it is the same, whether you warn them or you do not warn them, they will not believe"quran surah2

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

:You need at least a doctor of medicine and an expert of social behaviour at the same time to talk about such behaviours and their fatal consequence. Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was neither of them, but a Prophet of God who didn’t copy from the Bible and paste in the Quran and foretell the same fate of perverts of Sodom and Gomorrah for the future perverts, but a unique disease never heard or known by earlier people, AIDS! The medical scientists are unanimous that this disease is never recorded in the annals of history.

^ This is about aids, just on that one topic, you cant even deny the quran is the true word of Allah swt! Just on that one... i have given much more proofs then that but look... subhanAllah HOW CAN YOU DENY ALLAHS FAVOURS?! The favours of your Lord!

eace:

 

[Ayesha Rana]

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----- I read in the Riyad-us-Salihin Hadith book by Imam Nawawi that whoever judges by the Quran is fair, whoever argues by the Quran wins...and one other i can't remember. Well May Allah help you.

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Islam is the key to success without it your doomed what is this live but a couple of years, whats the avarge life span 70 years whats this compared to hearafter czgibson I hope to see you on judgment day in a good situation so plz for your sake save your self you've got the opertunity don't let it pass you by the shahada is the golden ticket to succest without the gates of janna won't be open to you.

 

[HeiGou]

You obviously believe in infinite space right therefore creating infinite possibilities? Therefore i ask you how did existence itself come to be?

I do not believe in infinite space or infinite possibilities. And I do not see how it affects the question of existence.

 

[HeiGou]

the red shift discovery meant that if we go back in time we will get to a single point with zero volume because of it's immense density, 'zero volume' is tantamount to saying 'nothing'. this means that the big bang came out of NOTHING! how is that logical? why did it happen? HOW did it happen?
the universe had a beginning, which means that it is CREATED SO IF IT'S CREATED THEN BY WHO?

Actually you have that backwards - all matter being compressed into a single point with zero volume is usually referred to as a singularity - meaning its mass is infinite even if its volume is zero (or rather as volume approaches zero, the density increases towards infinity). It is a hard concept to understand but not as hard as the concept of God.

Why does something that has a beginning need to be created?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I do not believe in infinite space or infinite possibilities. And I do not see how it affects the question of existence.

eace:
becoz that makes the chances of existence 0.00000000000000001! If you dont believe in infinite possibilities...
eace:

 

[HeiGou]

becoz that makes the chances of existence 0.00000000000000001! If you dont believe in infinite possibilities...

I am here. You are there. The chances we exist are precisely one. What do you mean?

 

[root]

Your source (why did u just cut n paste):
-----http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html

Either engage in debate with your own thoughts & logic or read this:

(I will just provide the link instead of doing a cut n paste)

http://www.crystalinks.com/quatrainsinterpretations.html

Good Luck Refuting!​

PS:

AIDS:
"It never happens that permissiveness overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly

So how comes a substantial non permissive men women children and babies became infected through blood transfusions, & how comes Human AIDS originates from bush meat!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I am here. You are there. The chances we exist are precisely one. What do you mean?

eace:

The big bang theory, the chances of that happening are close to NOTHING, it had to be planned and dun purposely! Thats what i mean!

eace:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Your source (why did u just cut n paste):
http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html

Either engage in debate with your own thoughts & logic or read this:

(I will just provide the link instead of doing a cut n paste)

http://www.crystalinks.com/quatrainsinterpretations.html

Good Luck Refuting!​

eace:

My thoughts are wen such clear signs are shown how can people deny them, so i wanted to show you. Im sry for wasting space but i thot it better to just show you outright!

The link you gave is a :? :? why did u give that?

eace:

 

[root]

The big bang theory, the chances of that happening are close to NOTHING, it had to be planned and dun purposely! Thats what i mean!

Can you provide a source please?

really interested.

 

[root]

My thoughts are wen such clear signs are shown how can people deny them

So you believe in the prophecies of nostradamus then?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

So you believe in the prophecies of nostradamus then?

eace:

lol not really, dont kno much bout his stuff, let me get bak to u

eace:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Can you provide a source please?

really interested.

eace:

I heard it from dr.zakir naik who explained it beautifully wait let me get a referance 4 u.

eace:

 

[HeiGou]

The big bang theory, the chances of that happening are close to NOTHING, it had to be planned and dun purposely! Thats what i mean!

Why do you think that about the Big Bang when the causes of it are so poorly known. But again you are missing the point: I am here writing this, you are there reading this. We would not be if not for the Big Bang. Therefore the chances that the Big Bang did occur are roughly one. You cannot look back on what happened and claim it as a miracle. Suppose I flip a coin a thousand times and get HTHHTTHTTTHTHHTHTHTHTHetc. The chances of getting exactly that sequence is pretty small. Would it be a miracle if I did?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

lol 3 aethiests bombarding, lol inshaAllah i'll post up refutations in due time. :brother:

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

lol 3 aethiests bombarding,

Your challenge has been accepted, as you can see.

lol inshaAllah i'll post up refutations in due time. :brother:

You might find it easier to do this if you used your own thoughts to begin with. It was a disappointment to find out that you'd just copied that article from someone else.

Peace

 

[HeiGou]

It was a disappointment to find out that you'd just copied that article from someone else.

And somebody who did not, as far as I can see, quote the Quran correctly. All the verses seem to be out a little. As well as quoted out of context.

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings Callum,

Sorry for the delayed reply!

I'm not so sure. It takes an awful lot of confidence to say that you know where the universe came from. I don't have that confidence, and neither do most scientists and philosophers. Where there is a lack of evidence, we should say that we simply don't know, rather than ruling out all other possibilities that don't fit with our hypothesis.

I agree: where there is a lack of evidence, we cannot be sure. Yet when there is ample evidence, then confidence follows.

I suppose that's possible, if someone was raised in a strongly atheist family or something. I've not heard of such a case outside of Communist dicatatorships, though.

I doubt that such people would openly proclaim their intentions, since they are hiding something that is true. The pagan arabs in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were examples of people in denial: they recognised Allaah as their Creator, yet they disobeyed Him. The last verses of Chapter 29 are quite relevant:

[29.61] And if you ask them, Who created the heavens and the earth and made the sun and the moon subservient, they will certainly say, Allah. Whence are they then turned away?
[29.62] Allah makes abundant the means of subsistence for whom He pleases of His servants, and straitens them for whom (He pleases) surely Allah is Cognizant of all things.
[29.63] And if you ask them Who is it that sends down water from the clouds, then gives life to the earth with it after its death, they will certainly say, Allah. Say: All praise is due to Allah. Nay, most of them do not understand.
[29.64] And this life of the world is nothing but a sport and a play; and as for the next abode, that most surely is the life-- did they but know!
[29.65] So when they ride in the ships they call upon Allah, being sincerely obedient to Him, but when He brings them safe to the land, lo! they associate others (with Him);
[29.66] Thus they become ungrateful for what We have given them, so that they may enjoy; but they shall soon know.
[29.67] Do they not see that We have made a sacred territory secure, while men are carried off by force from around them? Will they still believe in the falsehood and disbelieve in the favour of Allah?
[29.68] And who is more unjust than one who forges a lie against Allah, or gives the lie to the truth when it has come to him? Will not in hell be the abode of the unbelievers?
[29.69] And (as for) those who strive hard for Us, We will most certainly guide them in Our ways; and Allah is most surely with the doers of good.

In my own case, it would have been easier for me if I had believed in god - all those hours spent in church at my (Catholic) school wouldn't have seemed like such a monumental waste of time.

I am sorry to hear that is how you feel, yet on the other hand: you say that you will not become a Muslim because you will have to give up many things you enjoy. Here is an example of disbelief in God furthered by wordly pursuits rather than outright evidence, making it more desirable not to believe.

That's not what I'm doing. I'm comparing them to the proof of Pythagoras' Theorem.

I think that was what I meant, sorry.

Also, I think most of the standard arguments for god's existence have been covered on this and various other threads, haven't they?

Yes, they have, yet I very much doubt that an exhaustive attempt has been made to explain them or that all of them have in fact been covered. If we take the Qur'anic miracles for example, we have not covered such aspects as its linguistic power and structure in sufficient depth as to prove its miraculous nature. I don't think there has been a thread detailing the exegesis and language of the Qur'an, although brief outlines pertaining to these subjects may have appeared in various places. If I was to relate this to Pythagoras' Theorem, the analogy would perhaps be that if a person does not understand algebra: the language of mathematics, then Pythagoras' concept would be poorly understood. Similarly, if we do not even have an understanding of Arabic, how are we able to really appreciate the nature of the Qur'an?

I'm not saying it's necessary, but is it somehow unacceptable?

I think it may be irrelevant in a way if we understand the concept of life being a test. If God's existence was so obvious that we saw Him day in day out, there wouldn't be a need to send down Prophets to remind us, nor would there remain much of a test by which good and bad are distinguished.

I'm afraid I'm not really sure what you're getting at here - would you mind elaborating?

I was probably trying to explain the above, but worded it poorly. Anyway, thank you for your reply

Peace