Atheism

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

Regarding the issue of prophecies in the Qur'an: undoubtedly there are prophecies that have come true, however, the site from which the prophecies in question came seems to have misinterpreted some verses and simply by referring to exegesis of the Qur'an, we can understand the true message behind these verses. Many times people far-fetch translations to make a point, yet there is no need; the message conveyed by the Qur'an is clear and plain. We need to bear in mind that such verses are to be understood as those who had the best understanding understood them: the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions.

There are plenty of other miracles to discuss regarding the Qur'an, which we can hopefully do so in the near future.

Peace.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Greetings,

Regarding the issue of prophecies in the Qur'an: undoubtedly there are prophecies that have come true, however, the site from which the prophecies in question came seems to have misinterpreted some verses and simply by referring to exegesis of the Qur'an, we can understand the true message behind these verses. Many times people far-fetch translations to make a point, yet there is no need; the message conveyed by the Qur'an is clear and plain. We need to bear in mind that such verses are to be understood as those who had the best understanding understood them: the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions.

There are plenty of other miracles to discuss regarding the Qur'an, which we can hopefully do so in the near future.

Peace.

Ye bro i realised this myself. Im trying to study the fulfilled prophecies and gain an understanding of them before posting further inshaALlah.

 

[root]

Greetings Abd'Majid,

I have a phrophecy for you that needs refuting:

Star-Trek correctly predicted the widespread use of mobile phones before the concept was ever invented:

And today we have them:

Years ago, Star Trek spoke about the "Ion Propolsion Drive System". Before it was ever invented, how did they predict this. Surely proof that Star Trek is proof that Klingons do indeed live out in another galaxy somewhere.... What do ya think Is I mean how could star trek make an accurate prediction. :hiding: ;D :giggling:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

eace:

^ oh yes predicting what was in the works, u genius :rollseyes

eace:

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

^ oh yes predicting what was in the works, u genius :rollseyes

Good luck refuting!

How can you deny this?



Peace

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Greetings,


Good luck refuting!

How can you deny this?



Peace

eace:

Are you honestly trying to imply thats how ridiculous the prophecies sound to you? Because the level of difference is all to clear!

eace:

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Are you honestly trying to imply thats how ridiculous the prophecies sound to you? Because the level of difference is all to clear!

In reference to the prophecies you quoted, I'm afraid that's precisely what I'm implying.

Peace

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Greetings,


In reference to the prophecies you quoted, I'm afraid that's precisely what I'm implying.

Peace

eace:


In that case i ask you to give me one week to study the prophecies myself, i'll learn the tafseer (interpretation) and try to grasp a understanding, then we shall resume

eace:

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Abd'Majid,

In that case i ask you to give me one week to study the prophecies myself, i'll learn the tafseer (interpretation) and try to grasp a understanding, then we shall resume

That sounds good to me, but with all due respect, perhaps you should have checked out the tafseer before you posted those prophecies in the first place.

Peace

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Greetings Abd'Majid,


That sounds good to me, but with all due respect, perhaps you should have checked out the tafseer before you posted those prophecies in the first place.

Peace

I actually read them and thought they make sence, now i realise that i should look deeper into it. I'll make sure i get the context right, we'll hav a jolly good debate

 

[Trumble]

ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

^^Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.

At the risk of straying slightly off topic, I am hopelessly confused by this. How can it be claimed that this is a Qur'anic prophecy fulfilled when the almost universal Islamic position seems to be that those Jews should un-gather and go back where they came from?

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

I think it is pointless to continue commenting on the mistranslations of Qur'anic verses, since it is quite clear to all of us that they are farfetched. Brother Abd'Majid made a mistake and he realises it; there isn't a need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Peace.

 

[barb]

I have never heard of the "...teleological and cosmological argument in favour of the existence of God" and I would LOVE to. Barb

 

[IceQueen~]

I have never heard of the "...teleological and cosmological argument in favour of the existence of God" and I would LOVE to. Barb

teleological argument for the existence of God is proving God's existence through evidence of design in the world

cosmological -proving existenec of God through idea of cause and effect and impossibilty of infinite regress..

if you want more details i'll give them insha allah

 

[root]

teleological argument for the existence of God is proving God's existence through evidence of design in the world

cosmological -proving existenec of God through idea of cause and effect and impossibilty of infinite regress..

do you have a scientific peer reviewed paper for this "proof", no disrespect but "Harun Hanya" is not exactly a respectable source should that be your source for example.

 

[IceQueen~]

do you have a scientific peer reviewed paper for this "proof", no disrespect but "Harun Hanya" is not exactly a respectable source should that be your source for example.

actually root-i do RE so i think i know what i'm talking about dear...

 

[root]

Cool, I look forward to you posting it.

 

[IceQueen~]

Cool, I look forward to you posting it.

what? do u want me to post the RE syllabus?:?

 

[root]

what? do u want me to post the RE syllabus?

Not exactly, I thought you had agreed that you could provide a scientific peer reviewed paper for this "proof" of your following claim:

cosmological -proving existenec of God through idea of cause and effect and impossibilty of infinite regress..

 

[samobosna96]

is not the big bang theory a good start of some evidence?

because according to the theory there was nothing, then an explosion, then there was the universe... how can the universe be created from nothingness and not be so choatic and in such a perfect order... the universe is in such a precise order that 0.000000000000001 or whatever the universe would collapse. i cant remember the scientists who said this but eh said if you can find proof of a point of creation he would believe in a God....... does not einstines special theory of relativity state thst the universe is expanding therefore if you reverse the expansion the universe would come to a single point of creation?