Isambard said:
I often hear about Atheism have some sort of ideological belief, which would imply that there is a value system, ethical model and conduct and some sort of rudimentary belief system.
It is false. There is no ideology inherent to Atheism.
Abdul Fattah said:
Well how does an atheist tell right from wrong? Basically, an atheists is God of his own universe and decides for himself what is right and what is wrong.
Assuming the Atheistic viewpoint is correct, then all ideas regarding morality are decided by man.
IbnAbdulHakim said:
An Atheist feasts on his own desires.
Unsubstantiated generalisation.
IbnAbdulHakim said:
That might be to look good, to show off, to feel good by doing what he believes to be good, to drink, to smoke, to speak with the opposite gender in a flirty manner, to do bad things secretly believing no one is watching when Allah always watches.
Although this is meaningless to me and other Atheists, because I and other Atheists deny the existence of Allah.
Md Mashud said:
To be atheist rather than agnostic is an ignorance and I will prove it.
Le sigh.
Md Mashud said:
They state they have created alternative theories to how we existed other than God. But close inspection on those theories, they have a huge GAP and are not complete
There are theories indeed. No Atheist though would though proclaim to know everything about the universe, or about how we came to be.
Md Mashud said:
while the God theory is absolute and would explain everything.
Assuming of course that the God theory is even
correct. It is very convenient to simply proclaim that God is the cause of
X but it has no bearing on whether such is actually true.
Md Mashud said:
Not only this, none of the theories would disprove God in any way in the unlikely chance they would be true.
Correct.
Md Mashud said:
These theories include evolution, natural selection/orders created by randomness, multiple universes and theories involving quantum mechanics etc - EVEN if they was true, they would not contradict God.
Yes.
Md Mashud said:
So what atheists do is say if X and Y existed, this could do process Z via Y and create M... Thats what all their theories are. You see the gap? Not one atheist has explained where X and Y came from or even a cause to them! If anything these only say God must exist to me
Eh?
A lack of understanding does not justify a fall back to an entity beyond understanding.
Md Mashud said:
When an atheists can give plausible reasons why such things can exist to begin with, only then can they realistically call themselves atheists rather then theist or AGNOSTIC.
I call myself an Atheist because there is no evidence empirical or otherwise regarding a God (and by God I refer to a cosmic arbiter within or outside of the 'boundaries of the universe). As there is no evidence empirical or otherwise concerning God there is therefore no reason to believe in a God.
Md Mashud said:
. But, they themselves know, they will never work it out. They live in a world where they think process theories disprove God, when infact it never does.
No theory disproves God anymore than it disproves the celestial teapot, invisible pink unicorn and of course the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Md Mashud said:
So why does God belief have credibility? With our understanding of existance, matter and energy, we see that there to be an absolute, that absolute must be independant of the materialsm that we see everything as
No - we see only that existence must be eternal. The properties of the universe are only enough to show the universe as it is and nothing more. If a power external from the universe is invoked, it may as well be indefinable as we lack complete knowledge on what such is.
Md Mashud said:
Existance is design and design without intelligence is impossible.
Is this the Teleological Argument propping up? Existence is necessary, for it cannot not exist by definition.
Md Mashud said:
The whole idea of morality and ethics makes no sense in the atheistic world, rather survival of the fittest would seem much more appropriate.
How so?
