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Greetings,
I love the way the Comparative Religion section has been re-opened, and within a matter of minutes it's turned into the "Let's bash atheism" forum. Brilliant!
Keep it going if you like - atheism is a strong enough idea to withstand any attack you feel like bringing. We won't get offended. And if you have any serious criticisms of the atheist position, or if you feel that there are any questions about it that we can't answer, then feel free to bring those up too.
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I love the way the Comparative Religion section has been re-opened, and within a matter of minutes it's turned into the "Let's bash atheism" forum. Brilliant!
Keep it going if you like - atheism is a strong enough idea to withstand any attack you feel like bringing. We won't get offended. And if you have any serious criticisms of the atheist position, or if you feel that there are any questions about it that we can't answer, then feel free to bring those up too.
Peace
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That's why I suggest admin to change the section name (and concept) into "Interfaith Understanding". The term "comparative", indeed, can lead people into bashing other beliefs.
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The best joke I've heard in my life!!!
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I agree with this. It´s not good way to discuss if we start to make jokes about other ways of thinking. If we wish that discussions here stay clean and respectful, we too have to respect others and their ways to believe (or not to believe). Equal and respected treatment of all members, sisters and brothers, keeps this section in harmony.
Also, how do you think that your dawah would success if you try to get someones to look like fools with their ways of believe (or not to believe).
I don't know, but I feel uneasy with these types of statements.
We ought to be treating these subjects with a bit more respect than to consider it like a joke.
Ridiculing is not comparison, neither is it reasoning. It merely provokes animosity, esoecially when dealing with sensitive subjects such as this.
Brother Ardianto said exactly that.
I'm not normally like this, but you threw a remark, and asked him nothing?
Please, sis... your call sign is Sabr. But those words may make it hard for people to be that.
eace:To be honest, Atheists are the dumbest people I've come across. To think that everything came about by chance - you cannot get ANY DUMBER?! :facepalm::slap:
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And now this is generalization. Thanks a lot sis, I was an atheist before I found Islam. I might never have gave any interest to looking for more information about Islam if Muslims would told me that I am a dumb because I didn´t know Islam. :uuh:
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Fish believe that water does exist because they can see water. But how can you believe that God does exist if you have never seen God?.
Can you answer this question?.
Fish believe that water does exist because they can see water. But how can you believe that God does exist if you have never seen God?.
Can you answer this question?.
Common Sense?!
I'm not saying because they don't know about religions - I'm saying this because Atheists believe everything came about by chance - it's common sense to thin there is "something else out there."
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And some atheists call it as a common sense when they believe that everything came about by chance. I believe there might be a huge difference about what different people understand about "common sense". This difference might sometimes makes discussions a quite difficult. Any easier they don´t become if we also call people as a dumb, whose interpretation about the common sense is different than our´s.
Anyways, calling other people as dumb isn´t a good manner too.
And some atheists call it as a common sense when they believe that everything came about by chance. I believe there might be a huge difference about what different people understand about "common sense". This difference might sometimes makes discussions a quite difficult. Any easier they don´t become if we also call people as a dumb, whose interpretation about the common sense is different than our´s.
Anyways, calling other people as dumb isn´t a good manner too.
You are a Muslim and are defending Atheists, really?! :heated:
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I don´t defending atheism. I tried to explain how other people might understand this expression as "a common sense" by different ways and hoped you notice also how this different understanding can has influencies to the discussions in here.
Also I wish that we always would remember to treat all members equal and with all respect. Atheist member I might defend if I see that someone treats them unequal than others.
I think we should respect everyone whoever they may be. If you have a valid argument then put it across with beauty and wisdom, not in a way that puts them down, as mockery is not allowed in Islam.
May Allah swt guide us to say what is right and to be an example of the beautiful ways of our beloved and most noble Rasul:saws: ameen.
May Allah swt guide us to say what is right and to be an example of the beautiful ways of our beloved and most noble Rasul:saws: ameen.
Ok then here we go...
Robots - Have a creator
Humans - Created by chance
Computers - Have a creator
Human Brains - Created by chance
Operating Systems, Android Systems, IOS Systems - Have a creator
Digestive Systems, Muscular Systems, Nervous Systems,
Reproductive Systems, Urinary Systems, Skeletal Systems,
Cardiovascular Systems, Respiratory Systems, Endocrine Systems, etc. - CREATED BY CHANCE
What more arguments do you need to define the dumbness of Atheists?!
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Common sense require us to believe only what we can see. This is why atheist see religious people like us as dumb, because we believe something that we cannot see.
Sister, you cannot judge other people by your own logic and understanding because other people have their own logic and understanding that different than yours. This is what you have to know before you start a dialog with other people.
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I find it quite intellectually insulting when they claim such things while they themselves know that the brain, the human body, is far more complex than anything we have ever built.
They themselves bear witness to the fact that our brain is way beyond any computer machine, our body, way beyond any robot.
Yet the Robot could never have been made, if we as humans never intended to. The Robot had a beginning.
I call it the disease of the heart. Materialism can turn to a disease, a disease that blinds them from thinking straight - from the signs of Allah. They refuse to think, cuz they think that they don't need to. They follow not except assumption, blind faith.
The way things are soo intellectually created, and with reason too, just makes it more obvious, and I find it a disease to reject the signs of Allah.
May Allah guide us all. Ameen.
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