You say we should end the viciousness and then proceed to continue speaking of me viciously. I was invited to this board by one of its moderators and have got along with most of the people here well enough so that after only 139 posts Ive made almost 900 rep points. You're the first person here I can remember railing on me like this and calling me so disgusting and cruel. If there's something I can do to cheer you up, let me know, but only if you stop intentionally treating me as badly as I've only unintentionally treated you.
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dragonofzenshu
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Different strokes for different folks, my friend. What may be right for you (them) may not be right for some!
You were rude to me, however unintentional, you still were.
how old are you? i think your a troll, stop harassing the poor brother and derailing his thread
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dragonofzenshu
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Oh yes yes, let's all pick on the one non muslim and gang up on him and he has already been brutally picked one by a prominent member here!
Not fair. Now, friend, you get your friends to attack me??? You have to sunk to new low depths!!
Not fair. Now, friend, you get your friends to attack me??? You have to sunk to new low depths!!
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awwwwwww.:statisfie
Listen:
1. You are not by any means the only non-Muslim at this site, and I would never even think of picking on someone just because they don't agree with my religion.
2. If I have indeed "brutally picked on you", then it should be covered by my very sincere repeated apologies, my concession to answer your question, and my offer of a net hug and all. I know little more about Shintoism beyond the relatively small amount of research I had to do on it when I wrote a paper on it in high school, but I'm sure that forgiveness and forbearance must be taught by its doctrines as they are with almost every other religion. Let it go.
3. You wrongly assume Tango to be a friend of mine. Off the top of my head I can't even think of a single time he/she and I have ever even spoken to each other before on this board or anywhere else. (If there was such an occasion and I am forgetting it, Tango, then I apologize, but in any case I'm sure you'll back me up on this, that we don't even know each other and have barely heard of each other.)
4. I did not get anyone to help me "gang up on you". I didn't even know Tango would be posting in this thread at all, and I agree that he/she should have been more considerate and less accusatory.
5. You need to stop letting people get to you so deeply and so easily, even if they're being as cruel as you think I was being, which I was not. It's better for your emotional well being.
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dragonofzenshu
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Justufy, you are so mean, I defend you in debate threads, and you add insults to the fire imsad
I wish everyone here would just be a bit nicer so we can all get along ok.
Please stop picking on me and discriminating against me because I'm a minority and I'm a shinto.
I wish everyone here would just be a bit nicer so we can all get along ok.
Please stop picking on me and discriminating against me because I'm a minority and I'm a shinto.
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Thank you for clearing things up Yahya, yes tango she was being really inconsiderate and rude, I hope she is nicer next time
ok so everythings fine now
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I very well apreciate your support in debates, and my previous post was supporting you, I think its sad members are insulting you here.:hmm:
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Yes yes yes, but already I'm starting to settle things, I'll be back to postal normal in no time
It's good the other foe of mine has ceased and desisted and has refrained from further barraging and insults
But I have debated many times before and I will just keep going and never stop really
Thanks for support Justufy, and I hope me as shinto will stop being persecuted against. Or maybe because I'm japanese? That could be an issue as well. Hmmmmm.
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Dragon, the Shinto religion is one I have very little knowledge of and rarely have encountered and I'd love to learn more about it. Do you know of any online resources that could educate me?
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sorry youth man, ok psychopathic, ill send you very clean shinto links once i reach 50 posts, ok so the thread can re commence now
Actually, it might have to wait till tomorrow. For reasons that may have to do with a combination of my illness (which I think is getting better, but you never know when these things flare briefly up a second time), the medicine I'm taking, and who knows what else, I'm feeling prematurely drowsy. Nothing major, but I'm not sure if in the coming hours I'm going to be up to the task of writing a whole article, at least at my mental peak.
I'll take a stab at this one..
So, Yahya, you are saying that atheists do not have ground to stand on when they refute the "original creator" argument by asking who created the creator, correct?
I understand your point, but then the point only works if God is the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnitemporal being you describe. Take away any of these and does the argument still stand?
Also, the few times I have seen this argument by an atheist is when a believer has said something along the lines of "everything must have a creator." For this statement the simple question of who created God is viable. If you want to say that it is absurd to believe that God had a creator, then it is equally absurd to say that everything must have a creator. The original statement is the thing that is flawed, not the rebuttal argument.
So, Yahya, you are saying that atheists do not have ground to stand on when they refute the "original creator" argument by asking who created the creator, correct?
I understand your point, but then the point only works if God is the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnitemporal being you describe. Take away any of these and does the argument still stand?
Also, the few times I have seen this argument by an atheist is when a believer has said something along the lines of "everything must have a creator." For this statement the simple question of who created God is viable. If you want to say that it is absurd to believe that God had a creator, then it is equally absurd to say that everything must have a creator. The original statement is the thing that is flawed, not the rebuttal argument.
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I've never had any problem with theists needing to believe in a creation force. Deism seems pretty harmless so I see no reason to challenge people on it. Where I raise an eyebrow is when they suddenly jump from "some force created the universe" to "It is a sentient thinking being, and we know its name and what it wants us to do and who it wants us to sleep with and what it wants us to eat, and it loves us and we should respect and obey it and do what it wants".
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I have been going back and forth and back and forth for a long time now on whether or not to finish the series. I've even considered starting it anew. On the one hand, if I can struggle through the task then the series could serve a similar useful function to my website. Whereas my site allows me, more often than not, to simply link to whichever article I need in order to refute some point or missionary argument about Christianity so that I won't have to keep writing the same things another twelve thousand times, these articles could do the same for atheism, whose arguments are twice as much pure clockwork. On the other hand, it drives me up the wall (especially lately) to have to keep up the subject at all, let alone for several thousand words, and I know that if I do I'll still have to endure the predictable arguments that will result as surely as those interminable typhoons yearly strike some jungles. And as much as I hate going through the motions again, I couldn't simply ignore the resultant debate, because then I would be no better than Bill O'Reilley when he cuts the mic on his show's guest rather than let them rebut. But my deliberation is really just procrastination, or even refusal to face the facts. This needs to be done, one way or another. If I can do more now, I'll have to do less later.
I still yet may have one hope of compromise. If I can write one very long article instead of many smaller ones then it won't seem so insurmountable, and probably will be easier on the reader as well. It will also help me to keep things short but sweet rather than focus on every single fallacy of common atheistic argumentation, which would require more of a book than a series of articles. A very long document chronicling not only the rise and fall of my own past atheism but also the reasons for it, and the further reasons still I've come by since. If I can't pull it off then it's my own danged fault for failing or forgetting to be succinct. It will probably take me a few days and will no doubt delay the fiction I've been talking of writing. But it needs to be done. Keep your eyes peeled.
I still yet may have one hope of compromise. If I can write one very long article instead of many smaller ones then it won't seem so insurmountable, and probably will be easier on the reader as well. It will also help me to keep things short but sweet rather than focus on every single fallacy of common atheistic argumentation, which would require more of a book than a series of articles. A very long document chronicling not only the rise and fall of my own past atheism but also the reasons for it, and the further reasons still I've come by since. If I can't pull it off then it's my own danged fault for failing or forgetting to be succinct. It will probably take me a few days and will no doubt delay the fiction I've been talking of writing. But it needs to be done. Keep your eyes peeled.