Atrocities against Iraqis

[جوري]

to translate some of the above in Arabic:

Sahih International

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.

Sahih International
And brought together their hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have brought their hearts together; but Allah brought them together. Indeed, He is Exalted in Might and Wise.​

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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) also said in a Hadeeth Qudsi: "Allah, the Exalted, says 'Indeed, My Love shall be bestowed upon the ones who visit each other for My Sake. Indeed, My Love shall be bestowed upon the ones who love one another for My Sake. Indeed, My Love shall be bestowed upon the ones who approach one another in humility for My Sake. And, indeed, My Love shall be bestowed upon the ones that rush to help one another for My Sake." (Musnad Imam Ahmad)

Rasullullah

giving an example of Muslim unity is reported to have said in a Hadith:
“The Muslim Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain”

 

[Insaanah]

:wa:

There is absolutely nothing I can do about people who are being tortured right now in another part of the world.

Yes you can. There absolutely is something that each and every one of us can do, and that is to beseech Allah to free them from oppression, and to remember them in our du3as. That is the very least we can do for them.

Brothers and sisters you say?

Yes, alhamdulillah.

Pickthall
The believers are naught else than brothers. Therefore make peace between your brethren and observe your duty to Allah that haply ye may obtain mercy. (49:10)

A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim... (Sahih Muslim book 31, no 6219)

Well, all human beings are children of Adam.....

Rasoolullah :saws: said in his farewell sermon that all mankind were descended from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both):

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood".

and they are all our brothers and sisters.

As you can see above, rasoolullah :saws: did not say this. He only said that Muslims were brothers to Muslims. I know of no command where he said that a Muslim is the brother of a non-Muslim. And I don't know that his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) did this either. While we are all children of Adam (peace be upon him), he did not say that we ought to call non-Muslims our brothers and sisters too. We should not go beyond the limits defined by Allah, and by His Messenger :saws: . This does not preclude us from being, and treating each other, as fellow humans and fellow inhabitants of the same planet.

I am against crimes being committed against any human being... not just crimes committed against Muslims.

Thats good.

Why aren't Muslims concerned about the suffering of non-Muslims?

A human hates to see a fellow human suffer. But there is a special bond and love that members of the ummah have, and that is supposed to be exclusive to the ummah:

Nu`man bin Bashir (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah :saws: said, "The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs suffers, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever". [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Abu Musa (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah :saws: said, "The relationship of the believer with another believer is like (the bricks of) a building, each strengthens the other.'' He :saws: illustrated this by interlacing the fingers of both his hands. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

So it is natural that Muslims feel closer ties to one another than the rest of humanity, and indeed we should, as commanded by the Prophet :saws: We should feel that ummah-ness. Rasooolullah :saws: did not order us to love the disbelievers the same as Muslims, and nor did he do this himself. And we shouldn't go beyond the limits defined by him.

And Allah knows best in all matters.

 

[Novice]

The simpletons will still ask 'Why?' when another 9/11 occurs.

 

[Ghazalah]

"From the perfection of a person's Islâm is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him."
- Reported by at-Tirmidhee (no.2318)

The affairs of our Muslim brothers and sisters in the world do concern us. As I said earlier, if we don't have a voice for the oppressed then who will?

There is absolutely nothing I can do about people who are being tortured right now in another part of the world.

Never underestimate the power of dua. There is something you can do sis.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

As'Salaam Alaaykum

1. From Abû Hurayrah (radiyAllâhu 'anhu) who said that Allâh's Messenger said: "From the perfection of a person's Islâm is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him."
- Reported by at-Tirmidhee (no.2318)

This concerns me as it is the life of innocents taking place, and is the case they also happen to be muslims, lives of babies, elders are taking place, this definetly should concern one. Also as hadeeth states

“The Muslim Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain”

There is absolutely nothing I can do about people who are being tortured right now in another part of the world. Brothers and sisters you say? Well, all human beings are children of Adam..... and they are all our brothers and sisters. I am against crimes being committed against any human being... not just crimes committed against Muslims.

Respectively, I disagree, the least one can do is support those who are oppressed and make du'aa, especially when they are members of the ummah.

Nobody is condemning the support for those of who are from other faiths or against humanity. The man states how people were killed without proof of them being 'terrorist's' and i'm sure you are aware that it is muslims who are being put under the spot light in the media, not hindus, sikhs, christians, but this is not the topic of this thread.

If I were to spend my time reading such stories, what good is that going to do for me?

Well, if its the case of people being massacred, innocents families losing a loved one etc the good it will do for you is to make you realise you should perhaps ask Allaah SWT to help them in this difficult time.

Sister, this is entirely your choice if you wish to read up an article or not, nobody is forcing one to do this, rather it is personal choice.

Why aren't Muslims concerned about the suffering of non-Muslims?

Who says so?

I would rather leave those matters alone and concern myself with things that are within my power to do.

You are indeed correct in saying so, but we must realise that we have the ability to keep those who are oppressed, in need, in our du'aa, as it's the least we can do.

It's an article about how a vetecan 'claimed to have witnessed horrendous atrocities committed by his unit against Iraqis during their deployment in the country.' In case we realise there is no doubt that innocents were murdered in the war, it shows how John realises the acts taken place were wrong, maybe he wants to make people aware of this and expose them, this is clearly what I understood from the article.

Allaah knows best.

 

[sister herb]

“The Muslim Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain”

Salam alaykum;

that is very important and I am very worry why our whole islamic ummah is so quiet when our brothers and sisters are under oppression, not only in Iraq but so many other places. Also why we so easily claim our own problems others like it would improve situation.

Where were muslim armies when DU-weapons used against sisters and brothers in Fallujah? Where they are when zionists attack to Al-Aqsa?

Claiming all problems are fault of kuffars? Not because our ummah is not united at all at this time?

 

[Abz2000]

Originally Posted by Riham

1. From Abû Hurayrah (radiyAllâhu 'anhu) who said that Allâh's Messenger said: "From the perfection of a person's Islâm is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him."
- Reported by at-Tirmidhee (no.2318)

Now hath come unto you an Messenger from amongst yourselves:
grieving over what is befalling you :
ardently anxious is he over you:
to the Believers is he most kind and merciful.
http://islamicity.com/mosque/quran/9.htm#1289:128

i guess the affairs of "other people" concerned him.
maybe you think he should've "minded his own business" ......................

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum;

to me all people are my sisters and brothers.

Human inside me doesn´t allow me to think anyone who is in my religion is more human than other whose believes differently than I do. To me this is main teach of Islam.

Some other may see and follow islam by different way (not see all humankind as your brtothers) but I do.

May Allah forgive me I am human.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Salam alaykum;

that is very important and I am very worry why our whole islamic ummah is so quiet when our brothers and sisters are under oppression, not only in Iraq but so many other places. Also why we so easily claim our own problems others like it would improve situation.

Where were muslim armies when DU-weapons used against sisters and brothers in Fallujah? Where they are when zionists attack to Al-Aqsa?

Claiming all problems are fault of kuffars? Not because our ummah is not united at all at this time?

Wa Alaaykum As'Salaam

Nobody is saying wrong about those who are un-believers, only those individuals who curse and mock Islam, mock at Allaah and his blessed messenger (SAW), take lives of 'innocents'. We are not talking about non muslims who have done nothing at all.

An example is just because one christian commits a certain criminal act, doesn't mean that all christians are that way, similarly this is applied to various other types of individuals with different beliefs, so nope nobody is claiming all fault is of the 'kufaar', there are many open minded individuals out there and we have no right to call them kufaar.
Also we muslims are not perfect and nobody is saying that, but we should be glad that we have the perfect way of life to follow which is Islam, and Allaah has informed us that we are the best of nations.

Also not sure what you mean by this sis 'Also why we so easily claim our own problems others like it would improve situation.' may I ask what problems?

It is clear that we have brothers and sisters in other countries round the globe, but when they are in grief, oppression, they are also our problem, just like a close member of ours is. I am so glad this is the way of Islam. A few ways we can help them is amongst the abilites given to us by Allaah SWT, such as giving charity, invoking Allaah etc.

We should also ask Allaah to guide those whom are sincere.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Salam alaykum;

to me all people are my sisters and brothers.

Human inside me doesn´t allow me to think anyone who is in my religion is more human than other whose believes differently than I do. To me this is main teach of Islam.

Some other may see and follow islam by different way (not see all humankind as your brtothers) but I do.

May Allah forgive me I am human.

Wa Alaaykum As'Salaam

There may be those who are only your brothers and sisters in humanity and others in deen.

No doubt we should show good character to everyone regardless of faith, background etc.

There is only One Islam so therefore only one way, alhamdulilaah.

However, we are talking about those who take lives of innocents, they are not seen as friends but rather enemies or criminals by any society.

 

[Insaanah]

that is very important and I am very worry why our whole islamic ummah is so quiet when our brothers and sisters are under oppression, not only in Iraq but so many other places.

The ummah is not quiet, but those that can physically make a difference, and have the ability, unfortunately do not do so.

Where were muslim armies when DU-weapons used against sisters and brothers in Fallujah? Where they are when zionists attack to Al-Aqsa?

Maybe they thought that it didn't concern them, thats it's happening somewhere else to somebody else, and that it's none of their business, and that there's nothing they can do.

Claiming all problems are fault of kuffars?

I don't remember anyone claiming this.

Not because our ummah is not united at all at this time?

Unfortunately this contributes to it. If everyone followed the deen correctly I believe that would help unity greatly.

Human inside me doesn´t allow me to think anyone who is in my religion is more human than other whose believes differently than I do.

Nobody has said that Muslims are more human than non-Muslims. I said earlier, and I'll say again here:

This does not preclude us from being, and treating each other, as fellow humans and fellow inhabitants of the same planet.

to me all people are my sisters and brothers.

Some other may see and follow islam by different way (not see all humankind as your brtothers) but I do.

We try to follow what Allah said, and what his Prophet :saws: said and did, and to not exceed those limits. Just like we love our blood family members far more than the rest of humanity, and make a distinction between them, so Muslims are our family members more than the rest of humanity, as shown and commanded by Allah and his prophet :saws:. That family is called the ummah.

How strange it would be if a person said that he felt no more love for his blood family than he did for the rest of humanity, and he made no distinction between his family and the rest of humanity? How much more strange then, if we feel no extra love for, and no special bond with members of our family the ummah, than we do for non-Muslims, and view them all the same.

To me this is main teach of Islam.

The main teaching of Islam is that Allah is One, without any associates/sharers in His exclusive Divinity, and only He should be worshipped, and that we must follow and obey the Prophet. Then of course there are the five pillars: shahadah, salaat, zakaat, saum and hajj, and then our belief in Allah, the angels, the scriptures, the Prophets, the Day of Judgement etc.

Indeed a large proportion of the Qur'an is devoted to tawheed, and the other above listed things, and there are numerous ayaat on obeying the Prophet :saws:, so will not quote them here as they are well-known. When we tell people about Islam, this is the first thing we tell them, the oneness of Allah our Creator, following the Prophet etc. If this is not the main teaching of Islam, and the main teaching is as you say it is, please could you quote the ayaat or hadeeth where it says that the main teaching of Islam is this? This would also be in accordance with the forum rules:

18. Do not say "Islam says X" unless your position is based upon sound evidence - which means the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Always cite your sources...

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

very quiet ummah is - just talking how non-quiet in forums.

But it is good people try to follow in path of true Islam.

peace/salam to all of you, muslims and non

 

[جوري]

we fight for what's right by whatever means are available to us:

Sahih International
Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -​

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Sahih International
Degrees [of high position] from Him and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.




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[sister herb]

we fight for what's right by whatever means are available to us:

Sahih International
Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -​

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Sahih International
Degrees [of high position] from Him and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.




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That is great sis. I am fighter too.

 

[جوري]

That is great sis. I am fighter too.

very good.. here's to hoping it for all the right reasons insha'Allah!

 

[Ali_008]

There is absolutely nothing I can do about people who are being tortured right now in another part of the world.

I disagree. There is a lot of capability in mankind. Nothing is impossible. If you start trying today who knows what you can accomplish. Perhaps even free Afghanistan and Iraq of the American democracy of hypocrisy. The sky is the limit. And Allah helps only those who help themselves. We must initiate, Allah will bless it with success, inshAllah.

إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِقَوْمٍ حَتَّىٰ يُغَيِّرُوا مَا بِأَنفُسِهِ

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.
Surah # 13 - Ar-R'ad - Verse 11​

 

[sister herb]

"There is absolutely nothing I can do about people who are being tortured right now in another part of the world."

Dua you can do.

Later just sky is limit.