ban on men in lingerie shops

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Jedi_Mindset said:
And now regarding to jobs, women aren't supposed to work in areas with mixed genders. this is simply to prevent fitnah as shaytaan is always the one who can ruin it. for a women its best to start her business at home or atleast close by. to prevent going out alone, or mixing with other genders.
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In the new rule of lingerie shops, men are not allowed to entering these shop. Gender mixing will not happen in these shops.

Now, compare with old rule which only men who allowed to work in lingerie shops. All customers are women. Male shop assistants and female customers talk about size of women underwear. Can you imagine how big fitnah that happened in old rule?

The new rule is created to protect women from fitnah. Notice again, King Abdullah did not open all working fields, but only specific working fields which the customers are female. It's to prevent gender mixing.
 
Salahudeen said:
But her job may entail her to, but in saying that, many men work and mix with women on the job also, so the problem will all ways exist until we have single gender organisations like I suggested :p that would be illegal under UK law though, so we'd have to open it up somewhere where they'd allow it
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Yep, but if you look at it, realistically, women would need to use organisations that are male-dominated and vice versa, unless they had sections for men and women to work but in different areas. For example, a garage being run by female on one side of the city, and one being run by men on the other side. even so, they would still need to communicate. Maybe they could use MSN to communicate with anonymous I-D's lol.
 
'Abd-al Latif said:
Trust was given to Barsisa, the Jewish worshipper before Prophet Muhammed (:saws1:) but he failed miserably, prostration to shaytan as the last act before being executed, though he spent a lifetime of worship.

Trust was given to some of the sahaba while the women wore hijabs and the messenger was among them yet there were those odd one or two lesser known sahaba that committed fornication or adultry.

Trust was even given to Prophet Yusuf (a.s) but Allah mentions in Qur'an that "...he would have inclined to her desire..." (Qur'an 12:23), meaning the Prophet of Allah felt the intensity of the fitnah, yet it was only the guidance and protection of Allah that saved him.

Hijab is never a guarentee that fitnah won't happen, nor is lowering the gaze.

It's like putting money out in the open and hoping some people who you don't really know that well won't steal it.

It's why I say, get married and we'll talk.
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are you married bro ?
 
CosmicPathos said:
Do you have enough amount of testosterone bro? :p
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Irrelevant.
'Abd-al Latif said:
Trust was given to Barsisa, the Jewish worshipper before Prophet Muhammed (:saws1:) but he failed miserably, prostrating to shaytan as the last act before being executed, though he spent a lifetime of worship.

Trust was given to some of the sahaba while the women wore hijabs and the messenger was among them yet there were those odd one or two lesser known sahaba that committed fornication or adultry.

Trust was even given to Prophet Yusuf (a.s) but Allah mentions in Qur'an that "...he would have inclined to her desire..." (Qur'an 12:23), meaning the Prophet of Allah felt the intensity of the fitnah, yet it was only the guidance and protection of Allah that saved him.

Hijab is never a guarentee that fitnah won't happen, nor is lowering the gaze. It's a preventive, not a promise.

It's like putting money out in the open and hoping some people who you don't really know won't steal it.

It's why I say, get married and we'll talk.
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There is no need to get married.

Fornication and adultery will always exist for people who desire to engage in such acts. Sometimes, these acts occur due to circumstances an individual is in Islam helps to avoid these situations but not avoid them completely. At one point, genders will mix and people will have to accept that. Have some faith in yourself not to engage in such acts (not directed at you but everyone in general). It is as simple as that. ]

Besides, let's get to the point. What are you advocating? On what particular issue you disagree with me?
 
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joyous fairy said:


Yep, but if you look at it, realistically, women would need to use organisations that are male-dominated and vice versa, unless they had sections for men and women to work but in different areas. For example, a garage being run by female on one side of the city, and one being run by men on the other side. even so, they would still need to communicate. Maybe they could use MSN to communicate with anonymous I-D's lol.
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innovative I like it, there would also be voice changing technology so when the woman spoke on the phone it would sound like a man. ;D
 
Salahudeen said:
innovative I like it, there would also be voice changing technology so when the woman spoke on the phone it would sound like a man. ;D
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Lol. Make them sound like a robot.

When I went Saudi, nearly all the clothes shops were owned/run by males even though it was mostly women shopping!
 
Why does there even have to be a law anyway lol! No offense but seriously...sometimes it goes too far. Why this tad bit of common sense took so long to process....wallaahu alam...
 
joyous fairy said:
You guys seem to be missing the fact that NOT ALL WOMEN ARE MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS. NOT ALL WOMEN HAVE MEHRAM.


salam sister.of ourse this is true,,especially for muslims living in the west
obviously in an ideal isalmic ommunity wsomen woud either be married supported by family or community,,but the reality is different
and in the west epspeially among reverts maybe women need to work

but remeber this post is speifically about saudi arabia where women dont need to work,,but wehere we need womne to wokr in thse kind of shops
and where we sitill have a shortage of well qualifieddoctors for women to visit
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Salahudeen said:
But her job may entail her to, but in saying that, many men work and mix with women on the job also, so the problem will all ways exist until we have single gender organisations like I suggested :p that would be illegal under UK law though, so we'd have to open it up somewhere where they'd allow it
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salam
ithink its not just among muslim men married men there xan be a problem wiht jealousy and women working

in the west im sure many men are jealous about their wives aomng among men just as women are too.. the number of affairs that take place ast work is very highmmm

but for muslim women there role as woman as wife and mother is the most important,,and many men would expect their wives to concenentrate on this,,,

iworked when i had three young children,,and to be honest,,it was very stressful,,and if ilived in a western country,,where there are many other social activites..like sports cclasses to learn,,places to walk... iwould perhaps not wish to work,,, iworked bexasue here life was so boring,,,
 
ardianto said:
In the new rule of lingerie shops, men are not allowed to entering these shop. Gender mixing will not happen in these shops.

Now, compare with old rule which only men who allowed to work in lingerie shops. All customers are women. Male shop assistants and female customers talk about size of women underwear. Can you imagine how big fitnah that happened in old rule?

The new rule is created to protect women from fitnah. Notice again, King Abdullah did not open all working fields, but only specific working fields which the customers are female. It's to prevent gender mixing.
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thank you for this answer....thats the point of this post..to prevent fitnah,,it made no sense that before women had to go in men only shops,,to choose and buy lingerie,,now they can go to women

they hope to extend the ban to cosmetics shops..this too makes sense,,we go in perfume or beauty shops,,and men rush to try diferent perfumes or sugest different ones,,,its not a comfortable feeling,, i rarely enter such shops
 
Light of Heaven said:
Why does there even have to be a law anyway lol! No offense but seriously...sometimes it goes too far. Why this tad bit of common sense took so long to process....wallaahu alam...
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there had to be a lwa ..beause until reently only men worked everywhere and there was real need for womne in such shops
 
I thought women could join the military since many female sahaba participated in jihad? maybe this was symptom of the times?
I also thought women could become judges just not in cases of qisas or hudood? differences of opinion?
Salam
 
Maybe .. just maybe.. after the Saudi government is done taking care these all important issues such as:
men or women working in lingerie shop? (women win, they now can chat and discuss with shop assistants about their underwear sizes without feeling awkward), or
men only or can women be also behind the steering wheel? (men only, but women still win, they don't have to drive, but they can be driven anywhere by their non-mahram drivers),
they will be probably able to pay some attention to trivial matters, such as protection for migrant domestic workers?
 
Nope. There's still the issue of women not being allowed to wear a tiedye hijab
 
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