ban on men in lingerie shops

[ardianto]

A WHAT hijab?!?!?!

Colorful hijab. Just like hijab that worn by my wife.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I was actually kidding. I didn't think they existed. I thought they were all in solid colors. A professor who teaches Arabic at my university wears an all green one.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Hijaab exist in all colours, I didn't think they actually had a name. And when I went for Umrah about 3 different times, I wore like light blue, etc. They don't ban colourful hijaabs ^o)

 

[ardianto]

And when I went for Umrah about 3 different times, I wore like light blue, etc. They don't ban colourful hijaabs

Because you are not citizen of Saudi Arabia.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

And how did they know that?! When they see me in a colourful hijaab, do they ask to see my passport?! No, I thought not lol. People you need to chill.

 

[ابن آل مرة]

I think it it was unnecessary to open this thread again.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

^ Snap.

 

[joyous fairy]

You guys seem to be missing the fact that NOT ALL WOMEN ARE MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS. NOT ALL WOMEN HAVE MEHRAM.


salam sister.of ourse this is true,,especially for muslims living in the west
obviously in an ideal isalmic ommunity wsomen woud either be married supported by family or community,,but the reality is different
and in the west epspeially among reverts maybe women need to work

but remeber this post is speifically about saudi arabia where women dont need to work,,but wehere we need womne to wokr in thse kind of shops
and where we sitill have a shortage of well qualifieddoctors for women to visit

Who provides for women who dont have a mehram?

And your second paragraph is similar to what I said in my first post in this thread. We cant expect women to only work in professional jobs because they all cant get the needed qualifications. If they were desperately in need of a job and had no qualifications, at least they could look for retail jobs for women because you dont need a qualification for that. However, I am only stating this because I really dont know who financially supports women who dont have any support, does anyone know??

 

[syed_z]

Who provides for women who dont have a mehram?

Salaam


From what i know and please correct me if any one. Father is supposed to, if she has no father then brother and if not brother then near relatives or the Islamic State.

Prophet (saw) said "If a man has for three daughters and he spends for their maintenance, God makes paradise sure for him, except one (i.e the man) whose sin is not pardonable (for eg he dies disbelieving or associating partners with Allah)."

Unfortunately there are several Muslim states but none of them or at least most of them are not Islamic that they would take care of women with social security or money and provide them provisions so that they need not be forced to go out and work amongst men specially when they have children.

Thats also one reason why men are allowed to marry 4 women, so they can support the less fortunate ones.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Nope. There's still the issue of women not being allowed to wear a tiedye hijab

I never knew you were so concerned about the welfare of Muslim women. I mean women themselves don't complain about wearing colourful hijabs, yet you want to make sure every stone goes unturned.

As a sister's faith increases she chooses not to wear a colourful hijab because they are sometimes a lot more attractive and eye catching. It decreases the benefit that is meant to be achieved from the veil. In fact, why don't we just ask sisters here who choose not to wear a colourful hijab?

Sisters, is it a problem not to wear colourful hijab? What does a black hijab mean to you?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

As'Salaam Alaaykum wa Rahmatullaah wa Barahkaatuh

Sisters, is it a problem not to wear colourful hijab? What does a black hijab mean to you?

To your question, it is a problem for me when wearing a colourful hijaab, colourful as in colours that stand out (i do not mean all), bright colours, shiny glittery hijabs and others, for me personally that is and i'm sure other sisters may agree and some who may disagree.

I do feel that hijaab means cover in the essence that you wear none attention seeking clothes, hijaab that is simple in colour and design i.e. none shiny or glittery etc.

Let's say for example make-up is allowed for women to wear, but if you were to put make up whilst wearing the 'hijaab' the 'cover', then what is the purpose of the 'cover'? You might aswell uncover the cover if that's the case, as the whole point is gone, I hope it makes sense.. What I mean to say is that there is a time for everything, we have to be careful how and when we apply it.

yes ofcourse, women are allowed to beautify themselves but infront of those who have a right upon them, in this case a father upon his daughter, a husband upon his wife etc etc. And for those who have no right are adviced to lower their gaze and it's not the duty of the women/sisters to make it difficult upon others either. I apologise for going on, I just wanted to mention a few things. Also I remember recieving an email regarding I believe Muhammad Ali (The boxer i think), and a story he told his daughter.

I managed to find it on a site, so here it is, however, apologies if it seems quite irrelevant, but does somehow explain in a different way how the hijaab is to be applied. I'm not intending to have an argumentive discussion please, so for those who disagree, feel free to do so, this may well just be my opinion, although please feel free to correct me. Jazakallaahu Khaayran.


The following incident took place when Muhammad Ali's daughters arrived at his home wearing clothes that were not modest. Here is the story as told by one of his daughters:

When we finally arrived, the chauffeur escorted my younger sister, Laila, and me up to my father's suite. As usual, he was hiding behind the door waiting to scare us. We exchanged many hugs and kisses as we could possibly give in one day.

My father took a good look at us. Then he sat me down on his lap and said something that I will never forget. He looked me straight in the eyes and said, "Hana, everything that God made valuable in the world is covered and hard to get to. Where do you find diamonds? Deep down in the ground, covered and protected. Where do you find pearls? Deep down at the bottom of the ocean, covered up and protected in a beautiful shell. Where do you find gold? Way down in the mine, covered over with layers and layers of rock. You've got to work hard to get to them."

He looked at me with serious eyes. "Your body is sacred. You're far more precious than diamonds and pearls, and you should be covered too." Source: Taken from the book: More Than A Hero: Muhammad Ali's Life Lessons Through His Daughter's Eyes.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I dont always wear black but its not a problem.. Black is cool. I dont like flashy colors/hijabs though...prefer sticking with solid colors on the less bright/funky/flashy side..

There was a point where I wanted to stick with black but mom would be on my case and say "why are you always wearing black." Black is not a must...not as far as I know though. All my hijabs are on the darker side..even if they are colors.

 

[GuestFellow]

Colorful hijab. Just like hijab that worn by my wife.

I think with colourful Hijabs, they may attract too much attention.

 

[joyous fairy]

Start another topic for hijabs.

 

[Scimitar]

I couldnt imagine working in a womens underwear outlet... let alone going into one to buy underwear for the missus *brrrr - shiver*

All I'm saying is - about time they had women working in womens shops. Men have no business being there. Simple.

Scimi

 

[ardianto]

I think with colourful Hijabs, they may attract too much attention.

In a place where women wear hijab from various colors, a colorful hijab will not attract an attention.

Although my wife has few colorful hijabs, she prefer to wear single colors, but never black. She has black hijab too, but it doesn't matched with her Muslimah dresses. My wife always ask my opinion in clothes because she wants to always look beautiful, and I really like if she always look beautiful. That's why I never hesitate to spend money when she wants a new outfit.

My cousin married a religious good looking woman, and he has two teen daughters. Sometimes they come to my house, and I noticed they always wore beautiful clothes that made them look more beautiful. My cousin's wife usually wore brightly colored dress, while his teenage daughters love pink.

Ulama in Indonesia never said that the hijab should be black. And hijab that worn by female Islamic teachers at my place also usually not black. Rather difficult to find women who wear black hijab in my place.

 

[Ramadhan]

In a place where women wear hijab from various colors, a colorful hijab will not attract an attention.

This is very true.
The nature of Arabia was mostly desert and grey, and to wear colorful hijab means you are going to attract attention.

In contrast, the nature of Indonesia, which is an equatorial archipelago, is blessed with every spectrum of colors you can imagine and more! People here also dress up mimicking the nature in very very colorful dresses, ask sister Syilla (I know she's from Malaysia, but she's been to Indonesia and Malaysia is very similar to Indonesia).
In fact, a woman dressed in all black hijab would rouse more attention, and I on occasions did double takes and took another look at all-black hijab wearing sisters.

 

[esperanza]

I think with colourful Hijabs, they may attract too much attention.

i think this depends on where you are,,if insaudi where all wear black ,,colourful will seem starange,,,but in countries where most people wear colourful it will not stand out..
traditionall in saudi women wore all black abayas not the tiniest spek of colour,,now youd be surprised at the patterns and colours they have
the blacck is a tradiytional thing

for me black is depressing
you can have colourful hijabs if colurs are subtle not flashy,,and
the same for abaya like women wearin egypt dark blue oliver green or brown abaysa why not?????????
as long as women are covered appropriately

 

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

I have started a new thread about colourful and attractive veils here.

Please continue all discussion relating to it there because this thread is derailing off topic. I may delete or move any further posts if they are relating to colourful hijabs on this thread.

 

[~Zaria~]

Sisters, is it a problem not to wear colourful hijab? What does a black hijab mean to you?

Assalamu-alaikum,

I cant believe this thread is still alive..... :exhausted

I'll save myself reading the last 5 pages and just address this question.

This is just a personal view, so people, please dont take offense......if you dont agree, thats cool

Ive been on both sides of this fence:

The fairly modern, non-hijabi woman......to the full cloaked in black muslimah (fairly recently, Alhamdulillah).

And to some, including my collegues as well as my own family - Ive become: too 'radical'......I'm 'getting older before my time'.....'what is wrong in wearing normal clothes and a scarf'.......'Islam doesnt insist on women wearing black everyday'........Ive heard just about every reason why I should go back to my old ways.

And to be honest - its actually not very easy to try and explain what I feel wearing full hijab (ie. a black cloak/ abaya over my inner garments).
I do wear scarves that may have some color - but my outer garment is always black, and insha Allah will remain so.
Im sure other sisters, who have adopted this way of dress can relate to this as well.......

What makes a woman, who was in love with fashion, and who just HAD to have the matching shoe - to go with the matching blouse and the matching skirt......give it all up - for a simple black attire.....voluntarily.......and feel the most peace she has ever felt in her entire life?

For me, it was the realisation that I am at last (yep, took me long enough ) willing to GIVE UP THIS DUNYA completely and truly for the will of Allah (subhanawata'ala).
The realisation that this life is so temporary - and if I am not willing to forsake such foolish pleasures.....than truly, there must be something wrong with me.....imsad

And so, when Allah says in the Quraan:

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

then this is what He, our Rabb means.

Why do we go around the bush....trying to find loopholes here and there?

If the purpose of drawing an outer-garment around ourselves - is to protect us from illicit gazes, and safe-guard our beauty and modesty......then why do we seek yet another way to draw attention to ourselves by means of making it colourful and glitzy?

Does that make sense?

Are we not satisfied with the commands of our Allah??

Truly, one cannot adequately describe the peace, tranquility, contentment - and liberation from 'slavery' to fashion.....when it is done for the RIGHT reasons.

Not because your mum/ husband insists that you wear hijab.
Not because it is the ruling of your country.

But because this is the decree of the one that has created you, brought you out of nothing, and continues to sustain you despite your disobedience every day.
Ya, SubhanAllah!

So, now you may be asking - why does this 'cloak'/ outer garment have to be black?
Allah and His Nabi (sallahu alaihi wasalam) has not forbidden color?

True.

For myself - I have realised that black is the most non-enhancing, non-revealing and non eye-catching color around.
And while I personally may wear a black abaya with a little embroidery/ pattern/ color on it - at the end of the day, we should not lose sight of the purpose of this garment - i.e not to draw attention towards oneself.


As has been mentioned above, there are countries where it is the 'norm' to wear colourful, non-revealing prints.
And I guess - looking at it from this perspective - it is an individual decision: to wear a black cloak vs. a colourful one.


However, for those who have found the sukoon/ peace in their hearts, from letting go off the whims of fashion - they may understand where I am coming from insha Allah.

And apart from this - do you want to know the other biggest advantage: Money saved!

If only you contemplate on the wisdom of this simple attire - Alhamdulillah, there is benefit from many points of view.
It has even given me the chance to reduce my ward-robe to half (honestly - most women have waaay too many clothes, then is necessary.....)


There are no other, better reasons (that I can think of).

And so - no, it is absolutely no problem - not to be wearing a colourful hijab (for myself )

Salaam.