Banning of religious symbols

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There is not a banning of religious symbols, it is the being forced to wear the symbols of another ideology.

Non-religious exhibition is forcing atheistic ideology upon theist believers. Lack of symbols is an ideology itself. To tell a Muslim girl she can not wear a hijab is no different then telling an atheist girl that she must wear a hijab.

We should not have the right, in public places to tell an atheist they must wear the symbols of a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist etc. In the same manner a religious person should not be told to not wear a religious symbol in a public place.
 
Woodrow said:
Non-religious exhibition is forcing atheistic ideology upon theist believers. Lack of symbols is an ideology itself. To tell a Muslim girl she can not wear a hijab is no different then telling an atheist girl that she must wear a hijab.
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Exactly. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it, proponents of the ban.

guyabano said:
And in this link is clearly mentionned : Non-Muslim students at Islamic school forced to wear headscarves
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Except that link does nothing to prove your allegation that non-Muslim women in Muslim countries are forced to wear 'veils (or more)'. Please post proof or retract the allegation.
 
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Woodrow said:
There is not a banning of religious symbols, it is the being forced to wear the symbols of another ideology.

Non-religious exhibition is forcing atheistic ideology upon theist believers. Lack of symbols is an ideology itself. To tell a Muslim girl she can not wear a hijab is no different then telling an atheist girl that she must wear a hijab.

We should not have the right, in public places to tell an atheist they must wear the symbols of a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist etc. In the same manner a religious person should not be told to not wear a religious symbol in a public place.
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i agree. guyabano said it is happening in the u.s. now too - this banning. is that true? i hope not. i don't see how any rational person can feel threatened by people wearing what their religion requires of them to wear.
 
Ermm as far as I know, everything is fine where I live. But if it is soon to be enforced, you can count on me not to remove it :D I'm sorry but I won't break and reduce my dignity for a silly rule.

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Jazzy said:
Ermm as far as I know, everything is fine where I live. But if it is soon to be enforced, you can count on me not to remove it :D I'm sorry but I won't break and reduce my dignity for a silly rule.

Peace
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yeah, same in my area. everything is fine, Alhamdulilah.
banning religious symbols while oppressing freedom to express one's religion without harming others is not "civilized" or "democratic". same goes for trying to spread democracy in other parts of the world. In fact, its oppression and dictatorship. it does very little to help any society.


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No word of any bans in Texas
 
Gyabano, Islam is not a religion, it's a deen. There is difference between religion and deen.
 
I think there was a case in NZ... some lady got laid off work because she refused to take her 'cross necklace' off.:?
 
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guyabano said:
Well I did. Here we go !
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There is nothing wrong with that. The school is a Muslim school and Muslims have a dress code. It is immoral to for women not to cover up. It has nothing to do with forcing ones religion on to someone else. They want to maintain a a proper Islamic environment, and they have every right to make hijab part of the school uniform which applies to all student.

If a person is so intent on going to a Muslim school, the least they can do is respect their moral standards.

And hijab is not a symbol either, so it is very different to Christians forcing non-Christians to wear a cross, for example. The cross is symbol, the hijab is clothing that covers the body.

Just like you wouldn't be allowed to rock up naked to a state school, don't expect that it will be okay to dress immodestly in a Muslim school.
 
SirZubair said:
I think there was a case in NZ... some lady got laid off work because she refused to take her 'cross necklace' off.:?
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Have you got a link to that by any chance? Stuff like that is why a ban is absurd.
 
vpb said:
Gyabano, Islam is not a religion, it's a deen. There is difference between religion and deen.
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Because it is your dogma, that why. From my neutral point of view, Islam is nothing more worth than Buddism, Taoism, Christianisim or whatever Religions.
There is no 'superior' Religion on this planet !
 
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Malaikah said:
And hijab is not a symbol either, so it is very different to Christians forcing non-Christians to wear a cross, for example. The cross is symbol, the hijab is clothing that covers the body.

Just like you wouldn't be allowed to rock up naked to a state school, don't expect that it will be okay to dress immodestly in a Muslim school.
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Wrong ! It is very well a symbol of Religion, of Islam. You are certainly NOT naked, when you wear no hijab. That is purely silly !
At least call it a personal choice that you like to wear it.
So a christian could also say 'When I don't wear a cross, I feel naked' This is simply nonsense !
 
the analogy is wrong. yes, the cross is a religous symbol, but christians do not believe that it is required by their religion to wear crosses.
 
^^Thats right. The Hijab is part of our hayaa i.e. shyness. Is it our fault if others think one is not naked? The level of modesty according to the Western standards is very low. You dont wear the hijab guyabano, so i highly doubt u'd know how it feels to go out without it. So it really doesnt matter what analogy u use, because for us its a requirement, like snakelegs mentioned. People like you think its a symbol because:

1. You don't wear it.
2. Your not a Muslim woman.
3. People like you don't care.

I would appreciate if you didnt represent for us, when you dont have a seed of a clue how it is to wear the hijab.
 
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guyabano said:
Well I accept your opinion, but still, I rejoyce the fact, that religious symbols, like crosses, kippas, hijabs, or whatever else symbols of religions are beeing banned in schools across Europe and USA.
Sad to say, but young people are the most vulnerable to develop hatred in early age, so don't give them simply a trigger for that.
In a school, you go to learn science, mathematics, chemistry, or whatever. Your religion, you can practicise outside in a house of your god, a church, mosque...
When a western woman like to study in an University in an muslim country, she must also wear a veil (or even more) accourding islam wheter she like it or not.
But when a muslim woman want to study here in a typical christian country, then is always a national disaster, when she cannot do it the way SHE like, but refuse to adopt the culture of the guest-country
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FIRSTLY I MUST SAY ASLAMU ALKUM TO YOU ALL AND SECONDLY SORRI ABOUT CAPZ ITS LOCKED ON IT IM NOT SHOUTING :)

NOW TELL ME HOW IS BANNING RELIGIOUS ITEMS GOING TO HELP ANYONE? NOT BEING FUNNY BUT I SWEAR ONE OF OUR RIGHTS IS FREEDOM TO EXPRESS OURSELFS RIGHT? FREEDOM OF SPEACH? ISINT THAT BREAKING THE HUMAN RIGHTS?

THIS IS A START OF THE LONG PROCESS THE GOVERMENT HAS GOT IN MIND FIRST IS HEADSCARFS NEXT IT WILL BE THERE ARE TOO MANY MOSQUE OPEN IN THIS AREA WE MUST SHUT SOME DOWN? THEN FINALY WE DONT WANT MUSLIMS IN OUR COUNTRY IS RIDICLOUS..

I WAS UPSET THAT FRANCE BANNED THEM BUT THE UK AND AMERCIA IS JUST LOW.. THEY TALK ABOUT MUSLIM WOMEN BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY IN ISLAMIC STATES AND NOW LOOK WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!
 

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