Be Careful who you call a Kafir

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Re: non muslim is not a kaffir

Salaam.

I think if someone takes offence at being called a Khafir, then you should not call them a Khafir. The Prophet (pbuh) objected to calling people by a term they disliked.

Clinically speaking, as bro Fi_sabilillah pointed out, if you reject any of the said articles of faith openly, then you are a self-admitted Khafir. However this word can have connotations and meanings which may not be intended and might be misinterpreted and thus be found offensive to another, and so I think its better to try not to use it.
 
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"As to those who reject Faith, It is the same to them Whether thou warn them Or do not warn them; They will not believe."
The Holy Quran, 02:06 Al Baqarah

Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary: Kufr, Kafara, Kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not consistent with an earnest desire to see the truth. Where there is sch desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejection is that spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influence.

Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.


We must always maintain courtesy, diplomacy and a never-dying zeal to convey the message to others no matter how discouraging or useless it may seem - don't give up on a non-Muslim because most people are good people who simply need a break from the anti-Islamic propaganda around them.

The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

It is always safest to assume that a non-Muslim has been misguided, misinformed and fed lies and misconceptions about Islam and Muslims - don't jump to calling him a Kafir. Remove the name-calling from your articles and websites - wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry - name-calling, especially wrongly branding someone as 'evil', 'kafr' and 'manifestation of satan' - GHEEBAT - could entail dire consequences for us on Judgement Day.

Perhaps there is no faster way to leave Islam than by calling other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination.

About calling other Muslims "kafir," we read the following hadith: It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim]

Therefore, if you call other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination, you could find that you have left Islam, according to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.), in less than a second.

Waste no time debating what a good Muslim should be. Be one!

Guiding a Non-Muslim to Islam only possible by the Grace of God. Our job is to help others understand Islam - that is our basic duty. And only then inshaAllah, will non-Muslims move in the direction of becoming one of us. We must remain positive, open-minded and generous in our efforts to convey the true message.

You cannot encourage a non-Muslim to be understanding and open-minded if you yourself are hot-tempered and hurling accusations at him/her. No non-Muslim is going to respect you and it will certainly reflect badly on Islam if a Muslim, a representative of Islam, is narrow-minded.

I pray to Allah that we develop patience and sincerity in our efforts to bring about more tolerance in this world. Remember....every human being, regardless of whether he/she is born to Muslim or Non-Muslim parents, is born innocent and pure...it is society that influences him/her to stray from Islam and just as a person can stray, he/she can revert back and YOU can help this process.

We have a very important and sensitive role to play. We are the trusted Ummah of the Rasool (saw), a servant of God...it has been made our duty and our obligation to pass on the pure, unadulterated truth - make honest and full use of this honourable task.

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P.S. I AGREE CALLING SOMEONE A KARFIR IS WRONG, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF PEOPLE.

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inshAllah we are agreed then because you first wrote "If you aint a practising muslim then your a kafir " and the "the diffrences between a kafir and a muslim is salaat"

someone dies who claimed to be muslim all their lives but yet didn't do salaat, fast, hajj, zakah out of arrogence as we have these type of people in the world, what would you diffrence is that person to a kafir.

if they "claim to be a muslim" then they are muslim!!!! nobody can call them otherwise except Allah who knows what's in their hearts...

I would call the person you describe a sinning believer...

if you call the person ^ a kaffir, then you risk the word returning on yourself, who would take such a risk?
 
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salam.
let me try this, its not mulimeens place to lebal others. and its not that the person who missed salat does not belief one allah and prophet mohamed(pbh) no longer, they just made a big sin. i beleif there is a proper way of dealing with tarakusalat in the islamic shareah(rules and regualtions).
 
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Peace be to those who follow the guidance, and may the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon His final Prophet Muhammad, and to proceed..

The Arabic word known as "Kafir" is not a racist comment nor is it a slander. The word "KAFIR" is used loosely and most of the time misunderstood.


looking at the word "KAFIR" we see that it derives from the arabic root word KAFARA meaning "denier" or "concealer."​

According to the arabic lexicon a Farmer would be called a "Kafir" because he plants the seeds and "Covers" them with soil.

In Quran this term has also been used for all those who hide things thou they are knowing its truthfulness. Any one who will not act according to the laws of Almighty they commit kufr.

So the kafir denies the existence of Reality and covers over the truth So its not a "racist remark" its just that the term "Kafir" is used to describe those who have "Disbelieved" in the message of Islam (i.e. the prophethood of Muhammad, the Qur'an being God's book and the Oneness of Allah). So I ask you do you believe that Allah is the One true God, and that Muhammad is His final Messenger and Prophet? Do you believe that the Qur'an is the flawless book revealed by Allah the Almighty Lord of the Worlds to His final Prophet Muhammad, through the Angel Gabriel?



If you answer is no to all or any one of these questions then you have "Kaffired in Islam", you are "rejecting" "denying" " concealing" Or, in more understandable transliteration, "You are a Kafir" If you are offended in being called that, I am offended by your Kufur (disbelief)

And for those who are saying, you can not call the Christians KUFAR.

Allaah says they are Kufar, Allaah says -

“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them” [al-Maa’idah 5:73]

So who says trinity? The Christians they believe this, and Allaah is saying They have Disbelieved (KAFARA).

another ayah Allaah says:

“Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)…” [al-Maa’idah 5:17]

So if a Muslim doubts that the Christians are not kufar, then he himself is a Kafir. Why is he a Kafir? Because Allaah is calling them Kufar and he is not accepting what Allaah is saying.

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Well sister I dont think All Christians are Kafirs, because sects like Jehova's Witnesses do not believe in the Trinity nor do they say Jesus is Allah.

if they are kafirs then it may be because they reject the other things, but if the two above remarks are the only things which make Christians kafirs then the Jws are not kafirs.
 
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if they "claim to be a muslim" then they are muslim!!!! nobody can call them otherwise except Allah who knows what's in their hearts...

Sis you cant just claim to be muslim and not do anything about it. Faith is speaking, then action. And a person who leaves off his salat IS kafir, as it is clear in the hadeeth. You cant argue against that. If a person who "claims" that he is muslim, and then does actions that are clearly kufr, according to the shari'ah, then it is no harm in saying that he is kafir. For example you see plenty muslims saying that they believe in Allah and his messenger peace be upon him but the shari'ah is only for a certain time, or it is out dated, or old fashioned so we dont have to use it,AND HE BELIEVES IN IT,then NO. you cannot call that person a muslim any longer, he is a KAFIR. Of course you dont go up to his face and say "hey you kafir," but you explain to them in a good way that it's an act of kufr, and it takes you out of islam.
 
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Well it looks like all the above posts shud explain everything....but if u feel that u don't want to be termed as kaafir, then by Allah's grace I shall not call you a kaafir....Allah willing.....
 
Re: non muslim is not a kaffir

assalamu'alaykum

Well sister I dont think All Christians are Kafirs, because sects like Jehova's Witnesses do not believe in the Trinity nor do they say Jesus is Allah.

if they are kafirs then it may be because they reject the other things, but if the two above remarks are the only things which make Christians kafirs then the Jws are not kafirs.


Please take the time out to read the Quran and understand it. And bring your proof when you are making points regarding issues such as these.

The Jews are also Kufar and Allaah says so in the Quran.


And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! … They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tauraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).” [al-Tawbah 9:30-31].
It was reported from Abu Hurayrag that the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One is Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die without having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the dwellers of Hell fire.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 153)

Whoever says that the Jews are not kaafirs is disbelieving in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meanings):

And their hearts absorbed (the worship of) the calf because of their disbelief” [al-Baqarah 2:93]

“Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: “We hear your word (O Muhammad) and disobey,” and “Hear and let you (O Muhammad) hear nothing.” And Raa‘ina [in Arabic it means “Be careful, listen to us, and we listen to you”, whereas in Hebrew, it means “an insult”] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islâm). And if only they had said: “We hear and obey”, and “Do make us understand,” it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allaah has cursed them for their disbelief…” [al-Nisa’ 4:46]
“Because of their breaking the covenant, and of their rejecting the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allaah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: “Our hearts are wrapped (with coverings, i.e. we do not understand what the Messengers say)” — nay, Allaah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little. And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse); And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,” — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)]…” [al-Nisa’ 4:155-157]

I gave the link in my post prior please take the time and read it before you post again. and for the record Jehova's Witnesses are Kufar.
 
Re: non muslim is not a kaffir

they are both different languages.........personally i wudnt use the word kaffir.......n people have different views regarding it...........

btw welcome to the forum.........
 
I agree about not judging non-muslims. You never know what's deep inside a person, they could eventually become muslim and be a better one than you :hiding:
 
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Sis you cant just claim to be muslim and not do anything about it. Faith is speaking, then action. And a person who leaves off his salat IS kafir, as it is clear in the hadeeth. You cant argue against that. If a person who "claims" that he is muslim, and then does actions that are clearly kufr, according to the shari'ah, then it is no harm in saying that he is kafir. For example you see plenty muslims saying that they believe in Allah and his messenger peace be upon him but the shari'ah is only for a certain time, or it is out dated, or old fashioned so we dont have to use it,AND HE BELIEVES IN IT,then NO. you cannot call that person a muslim any longer, he is a KAFIR. Of course you dont go up to his face and say "hey you kafir," but you explain to them in a good way that it's an act of kufr, and it takes you out of islam.

NAWAL89 YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!
BRING ME A SINGLE FATWA FROM A SCHOLAR THAT AGREES WITH YOU!!!

AND DON'T SPEAK WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE... I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THE LINKS TO SHOW THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE TAKFIR OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO PROCLAIM THE SHAHADA...

it was a characteristic of the khwarij to make takfir of muslims so they could then kill them...

e.g. if :sister: is married to :brother: , and then :brother: stops reading salat, will divorce become fard on :sister: ?????? which is what would be the case if he left islam.... brothers out there who don't pray 5x but the wives do, so tell me are the sisters commiting adultery by staying with the guys...

also apostasy is given death penalty... so tell me how many people you think the islamic state should kill... how many millions??

lol you can't go upto the muslim to his face so you would just pretend that he's a muslim whilst thinking bad of him in ur heart... how sincere!!

and the hadith says that difference between the kaffirs and believers is salat, but it doesn't say "a person who leaves off his salat IS kafir" so why are you saying that??? the scholars haven't intepreted the hadith that way so why are you???
 
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salaam.we should be sensitive and also know that the word kafir also has a derogatory meaning if relating to south african history so i don't know if the brother hails from the motherland.it is the term the boers named all the people of color in south africa especially reserved for blacks.the same way the word nigger or negro was used
 
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All prophets came on Islam. and every one who beleives in Islam is Muslim and all others are Kaffirs (non - belivers). With the arrival of Muhammmad SAW all previous versions of Islam were canceled and to be muslim now every one has to beleive in Islam brought by Muhammad SAW or otherwise one will be considered as non beliver or Kaffir.
I am sorry dear friend for someone hurt u still they seem to be OK as per the rule stated here!! I would like u to participate here and don't take it to ur heart.
Soon u will be feeling the urge to believe what Muhammad SAW has brought.

Allah knows the best ..
Tilmeez
 
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NAWAL89 YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!
BRING ME A SINGLE FATWA FROM A SCHOLAR THAT AGREES WITH YOU!!!

AND DON'T SPEAK WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE... I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THE LINKS TO SHOW THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE TAKFIR OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO PROCLAIM THE SHAHADA...

it was a characteristic of the khwarij to make takfir of muslims so they could then kill them...

e.g. if :sister: is married to :brother: , and then :brother: stops reading salat, will divorce become fard on :sister: ?????? which is what would be the case if he left islam.... brothers out there who don't pray 5x but the wives do, so tell me are the sisters commiting adultery by staying with the guys...

also apostasy is given death penalty... so tell me how many people you think the islamic state should kill... how many millions??

lol you can't go upto the muslim to his face so you would just pretend that he's a muslim whilst thinking bad of him in ur heart... how sincere!!

and the hadith says that difference between the kaffirs and believers is salat, but it doesn't say "a person who leaves off his salat IS kafir" so why are you saying that??? the scholars haven't intepreted the hadith that way so why are you???


Sis i am not speaking from the top of my head. I wouldnt ever do that subhanallh. Leaving of the salat is a act of kufr. And i mentioned in my post that you dont go and tell them straight in thier face that they are kafir, but you explain to them. If they insist that they are not doing anything wrong, of if you give them the daleel then they reject it, saying it doest APPLY to them, or if they reject the Qur'an, even though they say they are muslim, do you actually BELEIVE that this person is muslim?

And that hadeeth is CLEAR, " the difference between them (the non believers) and us ( muslims) is salah, So whoever LEAVES it then he is a disbleiever."

And yes you dont make takfir of those who proclaim the shahada, but if they do an act that obviously takes them out of islam, without seeing anything wrong with it, and insist upon doing it, then in this condition sis, it doesnt apply. Simply because the person is open about it.
 
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I am a non muslim but I do not understand why muslims INSIST on calling me a kaffir, I do believe in god im from a roman catholic background, and I am INSULTED to be called a Kaffir by muslims.:rollseyes

If I beleive in god then I am not A kaffir, Only ALLAH can judge who is a kafir.

I am not A kaffir and no muslim is allowed to call me a kaffir since I believe in god.
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welcome to the forum
You dont have to be insulted if a muslim calls you kafir. In islam there's no in between. Allah swt said that when eh created us he made us either "Muslim" or "kafir" . If you accept Islam then you are muslim. If not you are kafir. Simple as that.
 
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Sis i am not speaking from the top of my head. I wouldnt ever do that subhanallh. Leaving of the salat is a act of kufr. And i mentioned in my post that you dont go and tell them straight in thier face that they are kafir, but you explain to them. If they insist that they are not doing anything wrong, of if you give them the daleel then they reject it, saying it doest APPLY to them, or if they reject the Qur'an, even though they say they are muslim, do you actually BELEIVE that this person is muslim?

And that hadeeth is CLEAR, " the difference between them (the non believers) and us ( muslims) is salah, So whoever LEAVES it then he is a disbleiever."

And yes you dont make takfir of those who proclaim the shahada, but if they do an act that obviously takes them out of islam, without seeing anything wrong with it, and insist upon doing it, then in this condition sis, it doesnt apply. Simply because the person is open about it.

Sorry if i accused you in my last post or was rude... :hiding:

I think we'll just agree to disagree... altho i'm glad you mention "without seeing anything wrong with it, and insist upon doing it" as it seems better at least...

I found a commentary on the hadith, which supports your view as well as mine:

Jabir (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Between a man and disbelief and paganism is the abandonment of Salat (prayer).''
[Muslim].

Commentary: He who will be having the quality of Islam and will be particular in performing Salat regularly, will raise a wall between himself and Kufr. He who does not perform Salat after coming to the fold of Islam, does not have a frontier which separates him from infidelity. Leaving Salat is like demolishing the wall that separates Islam from Kufr. Thus, we learn from this Hadith that leaving Salat is Kufr. Some `Ulama' are of the opinion that this injunction is for one who believes leaving Salat is permissible whereas the one who leaves it because of slackness is not Kafir. Some scholars, however, think that if such a person does not repent, he is liable to Hadd, i.e., death punishment. There are other `Ulama' who think that rather than death punishment such a person should be subjected to corporal punishment till he starts offering Salat. This Hadith makes the importance of Salat in Islam abundantly clear.
 
I Listened to a lecture recently about kufr, and the guy said it was a disease of the heart.

Just wanted to add that maybe when a Muslim isn't being good it's because he has a disease and he may need help and guidance. To call him a Kaffir might be wrong because he is Muslim but has a disease. To call people of the book the same is kind of like labeling them as such, as if they intentionally rebel and reject.

I have my opinion which is most likely wrong because I haven't studied alot so I'll just stop now :)
 
Well time to come clean.

Asalaam Alykum brothers n sisters

The words I posted were from A kaffir who objected to me using this name on non muslims, so I was showing this person different views from muslims regards the term kaffir.
playing devils advocate if you like.

anyway I am a muslim elhamdolelah and I lost my pass for my old ID eyes_of_mine, which I will try to get back somehow.

Well it was most interesting reading the replys, I was abit suprised to read some of you saying you would not use this word if kaffirs found it offensive, since when do we let non believers dictate what arabic words mean and when we can and cannot use them. (just a thought there)

Of course calling a mulsim a kaffir is something we should not do, best to leave that to the scholors to slap a fatawa on them.

thankyou everyone !
 

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