Sit down. Relax. Take a deep breath.
I am/was.
See, that's the problem with people who identify so strongly with a given world view that any criticism of that ideology is perceived as a personal attack. I don't know you. We're talking about cultural patterns here.
Despite the fact that the niqaab actually has a basis to it in the shariah. Nice try at turning the tables-though failed.
All I'm saying is that you don't get rid of the fetishistic and immature sexualization of the female body by demanding that it needs to be completely covered up - quite the contrary. That practice is based on the same rationale as its diametrical opposite, whether individual practitioners are aware of it or not. The message is this: "female bodies [as opposed to male ones] are inherently sexual - and therefore, we need to limit access to it, lest some man takes what is not his".
Are you going to learn how to comprehend or am I just wasting my time?
Chances are that no one in your family has ever really thought about it that much - it's just "the way things are done". Judging by your replies, you certainly haven't thought about it.
Judging by your own replies, you seem to be introducing irrelevant points in attempt to change the issue around and shift away from what actually being discussed. What’s the matter, been proved wrong? I empathize.
Perhaps it's about time you started to do so, it might just spare us so many needless feelings of resentment and offended personal dignity.
My my, your eloquence of speech certainly can’t help but make me wonder that your words are merely a reflection and acknowledgment of your own self. It certainly comes across that way.
Perhaps it’s about time you saved us of your wna be ego and attitude that seems to have gotten injured somewhere down track which you feel so compelled and try your utmost best to mend it by your constant arrogance and “know all attitude.”
Nevermind your blatant assumptions of all men - women do not have to be a door mat to disrespect.
Look, i’ll cut to the chase and try to explain it better.
The thing is about men-as we all know- is that their love for women is intoxicating, if you will. This isn’t an attempt to question their honor or degrade them in any way, but for the sake of getting my point across, for now, we will call it stating the obvious.
Im not saying that every guy is going to be attracted to every girl or that every girl thinks of herself as so high and mighty that she turns the head of every guy. This also does not imply that every girl who does dresses not so covering is doing it for the attention of men, or that it is shameful to show skin, or that every (Muslim) girl that chooses to dress long sleeved, etc does so because she is responsible for how a man behaves-she isn’t.
But the thing is that if a guy sees a woman dressing a certain way, he is going to make a judgment about her non-the-less. These things happen at an unconscious level. For example, dude x thinks dudette y may look stunning with...i dno that pair of jeans she’s got on. Another dudette walks by, and dude x thinks she looks just as stunning with that hair do.
An impression will form in a guy’s head whether he likes it or not, or whether he realizes or not. Bam, straight away an impression in his head has formed.
There’s 2 points I’m getting at here
1. Is that the hijab/covering prevents him from even thinking like this of her at all. In other words a woman shouldn’t have to put up with a guy looking at her merely to satisfy his natural instinct. It doesn’t matter how civilized a guy maybe, he is going to make these judgments about her based on her physical appearance namely. sure, most of the time it doesn’t go to the extent of sexual harassment, but at the same time i don’t quite understand why being desensitized to his perverted eyes is any better and is seen as dignifying the woman! Surely this can’t be acceptable either.
i *personally* don’t see why a girl should have to put up with this. It’s weird how you people think that Muslim men and Islam control Muslim women with the hijaab/niqaab, and yet are oblivious to the state that your own women are in. A woman dressing not so covering...well she’s played it right into his hands...to me, this is her submitting to him (since flesh/body shape, etc is something that a guy likes), ironically the same thing that people accuse Muslim men and Islam of doing and ironically the same thing that feminists (or jut women in general who don’t like the idea of covering up) are against-submitting to the man.
2. Lets discuss how this may affect the feelings of the women.
Women get jealous and you probably already know that some men are tapped in the head enough to use this against her/to his own advantage.
How do you think this will make a woman feel–how is this doing justice to her.
Moving away from jealously, How is this doing justice to her knowing that one moment a guy thinks she is the most amazing thing in the world and next moment another woman walks by, he “dumps” her and has his eyes fixed on another? Omg, who are you people kidding?
This is why i (and others) say that women who do dress not so covering, are sexualized because it is the girl that is getting the bad of this and the guy that is using it to his advantage-to satisfy a natural instinct. It’s not because that we think women are trash (we don’t) and It has nothing to do with being as ashamed of what people look like (please) or that attraction, etc is shameful...this is far beyond the truth. I guess it’s just that we are stating the obvious.
If you people are going to debate about this, you really need to understand this from the way that it is supposed to be understood, not jump to the most apparent conclusion, seriously.
You don’t explain fundamental biological principles using fundamental psychological principles...this is unheard of.
And interesting enough, if we look at the Islamic texts, we actually see that the same thing is applicable to the guy.
A man has guidelines as well as to what he can wear.In Islam, a mans chest is not compulsay for him to cover... BUT
It should be noted that if doing something permissible (i.e in this case, not covering) will result in some evil, then it is not allowed, because of the evil to which it leads.
A woman does not have to 'sell' her body in questionable commericals. She does not have to show off new clothes in fashion commericals. She does not have to wear skimpy clothing and gain the attention of all nearby men.
Why do you seem to believe that women in the west are conscripted into this?
I don’t believe so. I was simply illustrating the point that men love women who show flesh/dress not so covering, hence the reason why women are used in commercials ironically being the point that people like you are so adamant on trying convince people like me that women aren’t objects/objects of men’s desires.
Keep in mind also, that not every woman considers it unacceptable, degrading or shameful to bring attention to their looks. Not every woman shares your ideals of covering-up and shamefulness.
I never said that women cover because they feel it a shame to cover their looks. See above.
Ya, this is the attacking a person bit, and this actually IS against forum rules (and general civility).
Oh sure and what he’s implied with his posts are civil and non-offensive. You’re only kidding yourself.
it has been proven that the three main parts of the woman that men look at is her face (if she is pretty to the persons eyes) her bossom and her hair.. 
