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Secular Muslim Discussion

we belive the laws set out are out of date and needs to updated to fit the 21st century where dating, talking to girls without lowering your gaze and other stuff should not be haram.
 
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laws are laws they won't be changed even if humans start to inhabit other planets or if aliens come from outerpsace or even if men travel faster than the speed of light.

Dating is haram for some very good reasons.It leads to more evils such as pre marital sex and adultery and fornication.

Pre marital sex is the same as animals copulating and breeding.

Islamic laws aren't tribal laws.The Shariah gives humans the rights they deserve.

This life is a Hell(prision) for believers and Paradise(freedom) for the kuffars
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well said brother I too agree with you.
 
Hey rsx man, if you dont like the laws, just leave the religion, why do you want to change the religion for? The religion, even if you dont believe that some of its teachings are correct,. has been proved and tested by earlier generations of people, who lived a happy life, just by following Islam. But hey, if you dont agree with it, why make the hasstle of changing it, just leave...

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This life is a Hell(prision) for believers and Paradise(freedom) for the kuffars
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I dont' like this phrase (too marxist for me), however I agree that to enter paradise one does have to take sacrifices in this life which aren't easy to take. Overall one should never take the phrase seriously cuz it'll mess your mind, but stay away from the common sense evils.
 
Overall one should never take the phrase seriously cuz it'll mess your mind, but stay away from the common sense evils.
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well its hard for me since most pious and religious Muslims suffer in Bangladesh while the rich ones get all they want and I definitely know they aren't pious.Almost or rather fully Kafirs.
 
Yes my point exactly, the marxist methodology does seem to be absorbed mostly in countries with high level of corruption such as yours Abdul Aziz. However you are a strong muslim, you should show these "Almost or rather fully Kafirs" that Islam is the perfect lifestyle. At te end of the day I can't fully understand your situation as you experience it first hand, so i see your point :)
 
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rsx said:
we belive the laws set out are out of date and needs to updated to fit the 21st century where dating, talking to girls without lowering your gaze and other stuff should not be haram.
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Do you believe that God is outdated? Do you believe that He is incapable of revealing practical laws for His own creation? You're saying He doesn't understand us properly?

A similar statement was posted before by another member. I dealt with it in much detail in this post of mine.

Perhaps you could answer the question....what is your purpose in life?

Br. Abdul Aziz and Br. TEH, you should not be encouraging a Muslim brother to become an apostate and leave the religion. Even if he is not a practicing Muslim we should pray that Allah swt guides him to full realization of the temporal life he is in, and the futility of worldly pleasures if they are accompanied by disobedience to God.

I have full faith that an intelligent brother like rsx will be able to have a productive discussion here and come closer to Allah.

May Allah guide us all.
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Alrighty then, may Allah make him closer to Allah insha allah, RSX, dont leave, join us man...

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Br. Abdul Aziz and Br. TEH, you should not be encouraging a Muslim brother to become an apostate and leave the religion. Even if he is not a practicing Muslim we should pray that Allah swt guides him to full realization of the temporal life he is in, and the futility of worldly pleasures if they are accompanied by disobedience to God.
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I believe I wasn't.

This life is a Hell(prision) for believers and Paradise(freedom) for the kuffars
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Overall one should never take the phrase seriously cuz it'll mess your mind, but stay away from the common sense evils.
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well its hard for me since most pious and religious Muslims suffer in Bangladesh while the rich ones get all they want and I definitely know they aren't pious.Almost or rather fully Kafirs.
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I wasn't trying to encourage him to leave the religion.If I have offended anyone please forgive me.I was telling you what the situation is like in Bangladesh.


Rich ones are moderate (too moderate) and poor ones are extreme,while me ,...tries to remain a true Muslim though I don't pray 5 times a day,May Allah forgive me.
 
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I believe I wasn't.
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:sl: brother,
sorry if I misunderstood you, but TEH made the statement and you said "yeah..." so I assumed you agreed, although I could be mistaken.

But Alahmadulilah, now you've clarified that you do not wish for that, so its fine now.
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its alright.

It was like TEH said if RSX doesn't want to follow Islam its okay since Allah gave us a choice.
 
I apologize if i have offended RSX.I think the best way to teach him is to be patient and gentle with him.If he still refuses then its till okay.He has his freedom,Allah has stated that.
 
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It seems as though makaveli and rsx no longer wish to debate this subject with me.

I wonder if I'll ever be able to find a rational secular muslim who can reason. Probably not, since reason leads one to the service of Allah, away from secularism.

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"Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?" (45:23)
 
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"Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?" (45:23)
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Asalam o alikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh

subhan Allah! mash Allah
 

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