Being Gay and Muslim

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Look I don't have an agenda, I just typed gay muslim into google and it's one of the things that came up.

I'm not sure how to approach this at all....you all seem to think this is something I can get over but I highly doubt that will happen.

I will take you at your word that you do not have an agenda and I understand you are facing a very difficult time in your life. Seventeen is a time full of problems. Your body is developing physical feelings and your mind is not yet ready to cope with them.

It will be of no use to tell you if you simply ignore these thoughts they will change. You have probably pondered upon this issue for a long time and your hidden fears are now part of your life.

The first step is to seek professional counseling, preferably from an Islamic source. If none are available seek the advice of Imaams, School counselors, Adult males you trust and if possible your mother.

Your life can change and normal growth and thought patterns still have a chance to develop. Do not give up and remeber that virtually all heterosexual males goes through various stages of life when they question their own sexuality.

The first is the pre-puberty years when girls are seen as "the enemy"

Next during the early years of sexual development the body becomes able, but the mind is in the process of forming close male bondings, male clubs, male sports, male companionship etc. During this time if a person does not understand how to form same-sex friendships and bonding, the concept of feeling homosexual is the most probable out come.

Develop male friends, but do not view them as potential sex partners.
 
Thanks, but I know I am. There's no point thinking I'll change over time. I've been saying that to myself for years.

The problem I have is:

Do I make my self independent, make really good friends, live a true life and tell my parents? I'd probably lose them and have relatives hating me too.

OR do I try to ignore this, get on with life and eventually get married to a woman? (even though I'd never like that and wouldn't love her....) but my parents would be happy.
 
Do I make my self independent, make really good friends, live a true life and tell my parents? I'd probably lose them and have relatives hating me too.
You could, tell your parents, be independent, have great friends and never get married, suffer sexually because of desires but be a very good Muslim and live a as full life as you possibly could.

This depends on how much you really value your religion. That's all really, maybe you'll never stop being gay, but it doesn't stop you from being a good Muslim and not doing the sin of being sexually involved with a male. It'll be much harder of course, 'cause desires are a tough case to handle, but not an impossibility.
 
To put it bluntly...you're really not helping. You can't compare drinking alcohol to being gay....you're not born with tendencies to consume alcohol, you choose to drink it.

I don't understand why Gay Muslims just can't be accepted in today's day and age. The Quran was written a very long time ago...people and society change.

Also, if you can drink alcohol in ill health and if starving people can steal food then surely Gay people can be gay to stop themselves from going mad?
 
To put it bluntly...you're really not helping. You can't compare drinking alcohol to being gay....you're not born with tendencies to consume alcohol, you choose to drink it.

I don't understand why Gay Muslims just can't be accepted in today's day and age. The Quran was written a very long time ago...people and society change.

Also, if you can drink alcohol in ill health and if starving people can steal food then surely Gay people can be gay to stop themselves from going mad?
If I were to to post what I was thinking at this moment, I'll be be banned from here for a thousand years

Note this: despite past misunderstandings I have come to believe Alpha dude to be one of a handful of real Muslims on this site. and I liked every word of his advice to you, you either takes or leaves it, but what you cannot do here is preach a customised version of Islam, (well, not while I'm still able to post because I will try to disrupt your efforts)

since you have exposed your true intentions more than once, I cannot see any further need to prolong this discussion to placate you
 
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I really am holding myself back from responding to your last post asad1 (dooster basically said it), in hope that some of the brothers will come with a wiser advice. But don't start preaching rubbish like that.
 
To put it bluntly...you're really not helping. You can't compare drinking alcohol to being gay....you're not born with tendencies to consume alcohol, you choose to drink it.

I don't understand why Gay Muslims just can't be accepted in today's day and age. The Quran was written a very long time ago...people and society change.

Also, if you can drink alcohol in ill health and if starving people can steal food then surely Gay people can be gay to stop themselves from going mad?

Man, the Qur'an is designed for everyone and for all times. People and society change, but the Qur'an doesn't need to change. That is where I think you and I differ. Like I feel bad for you, because you are only going to encounter strife when you try to get support from non-gay Muslims.

But you feel like the Qur'an should be interpreted differently and fit to present society. Man, the long and short of it is, the Qur'an is the direct word of Allah. You just don't go against that. Just because Western society goes against the Word doesn't mean we should try to fit the Word to the society. And unfortunately the Word is against "gayness." And that is pretty clear and obvious. That is why I feel bad for you.

But you are going to find no support and outright opposition if you start saying things like "The Quran was written a very long time ago...people and society change." Even from me, and I got negative feedback on one of my posts for showing you sympathy.
 
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I haven't been following the posts at all. But you said I think i am gay and you requested aid from us on this site. Thus, you should seek that. Others haven't been very supported. I suppose thats how I would have reacted, but given some thought, I'd put in my two cents.

First of all bro, do you have any hatred against women in general? Most of the homosexuality arises because how a boy precieves the opposite gender. There might possibly a psychological issue that you haven't given some thought to it. We all live in a society where homosexuality is somewhat accepted because we shouldn't discriminte.

Moving on, you should increase you're imaam first. Obviously, you're imaam is weak, hence shai'taan is able to hover over your mind like that. Pray every single salat on time and after that read Qur'an only for 20 min. Put your heart into it.

Can you say "yes" to the following questions:

1.) I do pray all five salats on time (or try to) each and every day?

2.) Do I visit masjid for jummah prayer of every week?

3.) Do I listen to khutbahs at jummah prior to the salat?

4.) Do I read Qur'an? Or attempt to at least?

5.) Am I close to Allah swt and Islam?

If you can't even answer yes to all of them, then there is you're problem. Muslim (believer) is never false. He/she should not be homosexual orientated if they are practising Islam properly and doing the best they can in this world.

You should attempt to repair your relationship with Allah swt. Get back on your daily prayers and do extra prayers (nawafils).

Here is a quotation regards to homosexuality:

Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Fiqh Council ofNorth America, states the following:

Homosexuality is sinful and shameful. In Islamic terminology it is called al-fahsha' or an atrocious and obscene act. Islam teaches that believers should neither do the obscene acts, nor in any way indulge in their propagation. Allah says, [Those who love (to see) obscenity published broadcast among the Believers will have a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: Allah knows, and you know not.] (Al-Nur 24: 19)

Normally, Muslims find it distasteful to get engaged in making the issue a fine topic of discussion because we know that sometimes evil is spread through discussion. When people hear a wrong and sinful act mentioned repeatedly, they get used to it and then slowly it looses its gravity in their minds and souls.

But nowadays this act has become a phenomenon. There are agencies and lobby groups that are working hard to propagate it and to make it an acceptable and legitimate lifestyle. For this reason it is important that we should speak against it. We should warn our youth and children from this devilish lifestyle. We should make it very clear that it is haram, absolutely forbidden, and that it kindles the wrath and anger of Allah.

The word 'homosexuality' is a neutral word. It does not convey its pejorative and sinful nature. This word is used nowadays as if it were just another type of normal sexual behavior.

In the Islamic literature, however, it is always referred to with its negative connotations. In modern Arabic literature it is called shudhudh which means 'abnormality'.

In our fiqh literature, it is referred to as the 'Behavior of the People of Lut' or `amal qawm Lut.

This immediately reminds a person that this is something bad that makes one subject to the punishment of Allah. No sooner had our minds get used to this idea than we develop a natural abhorrence towards it. Furthermore, when Muslims discuss this or similar haram acts, they often say, "A`adhana Allah min dhalik" or May Allah protect us from this. This is the adab that we should follow when we talk about it. We should call this behavior with its negative title and we should ask Allah's protection from it when we speak about it.

As far your second question about how we should deal with homosexuals, we should consider them people who get themselves engaged in a sinful act. We should deal with them in the same way we deal with any people who are involved in alcoholics, gambling or adultery.

We should have deep repugnance to their acts and we must remind and warn them. Those who insist on this lifestyle, consider it legitimate and feel 'gay pride', we should not associate with them and should not take them as friends. We should certainly avoid those people. If we see a person who has committed this sin and wants to repent then we should help that person as much as we can to get out of this evil. We should not leave him/her to the temptations of the Satan.

Refer: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543082


Insha'Allah that helps you brother. This is a serious issue and you must resolve it As Soon As Possible. Marriage is not an option. You will ruin the woman's life and shatter her family as well as your own and create more problems rather than resolving. My advise is, fix yourself up. Recite Surah Yaseen in the morning and in the evening. This will inshallah make you realise how wrong you are! I hope you read this thoroughly and understand it!


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after reading ur recent replies...I'm starting to wonder your real purpose of this topic.
I feel you're here , so someone will tell you 'its ok to be gay'.

while it is OK to have gay-tendencies...it is, in no way OK to give in to those tendencies.
 
Point 1 as far as I know only one member here is a psychologist and he would not attempt to even think he can help you in a forum discussion.

Point 2 this thread can only break down into an arguement over the halal/haraam concepts of Homosexuality.

Point 3 if anybody here has something constructive to add I will reopen the thread if you can convince me via PMs

In the meantime:

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