Being Gay

[czgibson]

Man we have gays on this forum who argue, if your gay now go repent thats all I have to say but if you continue the yes you are an unbeliever so give it up

I argue, I'm not gay, I'm an unbeliever. That's my position. What is it you'd like to say? Repent?

Peace

 

[libyanhero]

Oh sorry bro, I was refering to muslims becoming homosexuals not the other way around in the case of an unbeliver as soon as he/she accepts Islam their sins are wiped and its like starting fresh again.

 

[aligunglee]

I think you should treat him nicely like a human even though he's doing an inhumane act.

He should be bring back on the right track.
If am not mistaken, Prophet Hud's people were gays and Allah s.w.t. punished them after having warned them. Sooo, I dont think that gays must be treated nicely.
Forgive me if have erred.

Maa'assalaama.

 

[Uthman]

aligunglee,

Sooo, I dont think that gays must be treated nicely

So, how do you think they should be treated?

 

[aligunglee]

I think you should treat him nicely like a human even though he's doing an inhumane act.

He should be bring back on the right track.
If am not mistaken, Prophet Hud's people were gays and Allah s.w.t. punished them after having warned them. Sooo, I dont think that gays must be treated nicely.
Forgive me if have erred.

Maa'assalaama.

 

[Uthman]

aligunglee,

Sooo, I dont think that gays must be treated nicely

So, how do you think they should be treated?

Ok, in order to stop us from going into yet another loop, consider the following verse which is perfectly applicable:

[016:125]
Invite to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.​

 

[sherbie cola]

In Islam to be gay is a very big sin and we should refrain from such people as what they do is unthinkable and is prohibited , Allah made man and woman to procreate , gays will only harm themselfs and create Aids and other illnesses and will not be granted Janat.

 

[ummbilal]

Salaam alakum

Brother muslims practise Loving and Hating for the sake of Allah.

I love my son but if he commited such an act without repentance, after I had taught him true islam(inshaallah) I would hate him because Allah would hate him for the evil he was doing and Allahu alam
Allah knows best.
May Allah make all our children strong in ever increasing imman and keep them away from shameful deeds.

didnt the prophet saws say if his daughter Fatima ra stole something he would cut off her hand the same as everyone else as this is the law of Allah.

isnt it christians who say hate the act and not the portrayer of the act?

forgive me if i'm wrong maybe someone with more knowlage could confirm.

JK in advance.

 

[akulion]

salam alaikum
I would never support gays for only 1 reason and that is the wife of Lut(as) was counted amongst those people ONLY because she sympathized with them.
To me I dont mind being "politically incorrect" but I simply cannot afford to be "incorrect in the eyes of Allah"
In that past I have lived in many different countries and often people have looked at me and called me "racist" for not sympathising with gays - to them my answer was simple
"if in your view its ok for someone to 'do' u up ur back side then by all means say its ok to be gay"
Of course their argument was always, "But we dont prefer for ourselves but we say its ok if someone else does it"
Well I always say, "Do on to others as you would like done on to you" Thus if I were to (Astaghfirullah) say that its ok to be gay then I would have to accept that for myself as well - and that aint gona happen insha'Allah - no way!
To Allah we belong and to him is our return.
We should never forget where our loyalties lie.
May Allah swt always keep us on the straight path. ameen

 

[Uthman]

Ummbilal,

You would hate your son? Nah, you're talking muffins. No-one could hate their son even if they tried! It just defies logic! A mother-child bond is one of the greatest things there is!

didnt the prophet saws say if his daughter Fatima ra stole something he would cut off her hand the same as everyone else as this is the law of Allah.

True, but that doesn't mean he hated Fatima (R.A.).

isnt it christians who say hate the act and not the portrayer of the act?

Yes, that's right. By asking this question, do you mean to say that the christians are wrong? On the contrary, it is important that we recognise good wherever it is found. What do you think?

Also, why do you say that Allah would hate your child?

May Allah make all our children strong in ever increasing imman and keep them away from shameful deeds.

Ameen!

Akulion,

I fully agree with your point of view and your reasoning except for this:

"if in your view its ok for someone to 'do' u up ur back side then by all means say its ok to be gay"

Such a custom isn't as common as the stereotype might have us believe.

May Allah guide us all and he knows best

 

[ummbilal]

salaam alakum brother,

i would hate my son if he was a homosexual, because i practise loving and hating for the sake of Allah, if Allah commands that homosexuality takes you outside islam it gains you the anger and curse of Allah, how could i love him if he knowingly did this without repentance?

Al Wala' Wal Bara' (Love and Hate for Allah's Sake)

Al Wala Wal Bara
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id15.html

this is a major part of islam that many muslims do not practise,
and in many muslim countries because of cencorship its forbidden for immams to give khutbahs on the subject,

Allhumdulilah i had the oppotunity to study under a wonderful shiekh a few years ago, he is in a english prision remember him and his family in your duas,
may Allah make this easy for him and give him sabr and jannah inshaallah.

he was Shiekh Abdullah Faisal(i forgot to add the name )

dont get me wrong my sons are part of me, when they hurt i hurt, when they laugh so do i. but this is something else altogether.

 

[ummbilal]

No Allah didnt say hate your son, he said hate the act he is doing if he was and a mother will never hate her children no matter what they do, her love,mercy and compassion just can't

mashallah allahu alam brother Allah knows best
be careful what you say,
where is your quote to support your view that Allah says hate the act?

only Allah knows the secret of the bosom,

 

[Uthman]

dear sister,

i would hate my son if he was a homosexual, because i practise loving and hating for the sake of Allah, if Allah commands that homosexuality takes you outside islam it gains you the anger and curse of Allah, how could i love him if he knowingly did this without repentance?

I apologise if I sound persistent. Being a homosexual may well place you outside of the fold of Islam, but that does not necessarily mean that Allah hates them. Does Allah hate all kuffaar? Sure, if you had brought your child up to know, understand and believe that homosexuality is wrong then it might earn the wrath and anger of Allah. But hate? I don't believe that. Sister, the bottom line is this; more often than not, we do not choose our emotions or the way we feel. You cannot simply choose to love or hate somebody. You have to feel it it inside of you and then realise that "I love this person" or "I hate this person". Allowing our emotions to govern our actions is another case entirely. Again, I feel I must re-iterate that hate is a very powerful word and I don't think that you could possibly hate your son even if you wanted to. Anger would be more well-placed in this scenario.

Al Wala' Wal Bara' (Love and Hate for Allah's Sake)

Al Wala Wal Bara
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id15.html

this is a major part of islam that many muslims do not practise,
and in many muslim countries because of cencorship its forbidden for immams to give khutbahs on the subject,

Allhumdulilah i had the oppotunity to study under a wonderful shiekh a few years ago, he is in a english prision remember him and his family in your duas,
may Allah make this easy for him and give him sabr and jannah inshaallah.

he was Shiekh Abdullah Faisal(i forgot to add the name )

Good info, JazakAllah.

dont get me wrong my sons are part of me, when they hurt i hurt, when they laugh so do i. but this is something else altogether.

Is it? I have heard of homosexual muslims who weep and beg Allah to change the way they are. It isn't a choice that they made. It is the way they are and it is their right that people like me and you are more empathetic and understanding towards their situation, is it not?

May Allah guide them all to the straight (in every sense of the word) path.

 

[Uthman]

Hashim u lil mushy-face,

I agree with what you said but I find it incredibly hard to believe that Allah (SWT) would hate one of his creation. I understand that he will be angry, especially if the person knew very well that what he is doing is wrong and knows that he has directly disobeyed Allah, but hate? Allah (SWT) probably will not love him as much as he loves his faithful servant and will undoubtedly be angry. But just the world hate itself sounds venomous or something. Do you think that Allah will hate a homosexual?

 

[Uthman]

all,

This is to no-one specifically. I always find it useful in situations like this to refer back to Muhammad (SAWS) and what he would do in such scenarios. How do you imagine that he would feel towards such people?

 

[libyanhero]

Bad really bad but what are you gonna do, stone them even people who commit fornication and adultery rnt stoned, the one who keeps it secret and noone knows what he does than thats different because he has a chance with Allah to repent but the one who tells it publicly should be stoned because he/she wants to make fitnah on earth wanna make helpless people think or in hardships and encourages them to do the same, yet it also brings shame to the families

 

[azim]

I really dont understand homosexuality. Some say its enviromental - Some say its genetic. Whatever it is, it's a test from Allah to that person. I think maybe in the past it was less of a problem because society shunned it, but now society has stopped shunning it, but even encourages it, so it's become a much bigger problem.

Just to elaborate - by encourage I'm reffering to my College. We have a very very large number of gays (you'll get a token homosexual in every class). It's to the extent, that its almost 'cool' to be gay. There are lots of boys, and even more girls, who say they are 'bisexual' just to be different and stand out. Noudhubililah.

Oh, and I have had friends/aquaintances who came 'out'. I usually cut all connections and links with that person. I heard a hadith once where it says the 'angels shudder in fear of the punishment Allah will inflict on that person'. I personally, would not want to be near the person on whom Allah has promised a terrible punishment.

 

[Samee]

Do you think that Allah will hate a homosexual?

Brother Osman, Allah hated the Homosexuals so much that he completely destroyed a civilization of them. He blew them off the map. And if History is any indication...

 

[azim]

homosexuality isnt genetic, the peeps must be mustants, alienated to be homosexual ;D

They say genetics somehow influences homosexuality.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4215427.stm

Would men have to wear hijabs around gay men? ;D

Anyone, someone give me rep points. I NEED MORE!!!!

Brother Osman, Allah hated the Homosexuals so much that he completely destroyed a civilization of them. He blew them off the map. And if History is any indication...

To me that's not Allah an example of Allah's anger, but Allah's mercy. To prevent anymore more of the children of Adam to be influenced by the people of Sodom and to produce a clear warning that homosexuality is wrong. If Allah 'hated' them, then he would not have sent a messenger to try and show them the striahgt way.

 

[Samee]

Allah tried to help them through a messenger. When they rejected it, Allah Killed EVERYONE. And not just die in their sleeps. We're talking particle destroyment.

It was definately a warning, but who are we to argue who Allah hates and who he loves? Astaghfiruallah, I just got a chill in my body because Allah is probably angry with me because I am arguing over who he likes and who he hates!

I suggest we drop the conversation about Allah hating gays.