Being Gay

[baby_muslimah15]

No Allah didnt say hate your son, he said hate the act he is doing if he was and a mother will never hate her children no matter what they do, her love,mercy and compassion just can't

If my children were doing somethin that Allah hated then of course I would try and help them but if they continue to do that act then I could easily hate my child...Because I love what Allah loves, and hate what Allah hates......And if I found out my child was gay then I wouldn't claim them cause thats just NASTY, HARAAM

 

[Mu'maneen]

Theres a big difference between anger and hate - but like Samiullah said, it is not for us to say who Allah hates and doesnt hate.

We are told in Quran concerning those whom Allah hates and whom He loves, and one of the qualities of love towards Allah is to hate what Allah hates, and love what Allah loves.
This is where we say, "I love for the sake of Allah", and "I hate for the sake of Allah."


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[azim]

We are told in Quran concerning those whom Allah hates and whom He loves, and one of the qualities of love towards Allah is to hate what Allah hates, and love what Allah loves.
This is where we say, "I love for the sake of Allah", and "I hate for the sake of Allah."


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Jazakallah' khairal brother for the info. I had always percieved it however that Allah 'hates' his creations sinning, not that Allah hates any of his creation.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I agree with what you said but I find it incredibly hard to believe that Allah (SWT) would hate one of his creation. I understand that he will be angry, especially if the person knew very well that what he is doing is wrong and knows that he has directly disobeyed Allah, but hate? Allah (SWT) probably will not love him as much as he loves his faithful servant and will undoubtedly be angry. But just the world hate itself sounds venomous or something. Do you think that Allah will hate a homosexual?

Some questions on the issue of hatred and the Creator...

Is Iblis (Shaytan) our enemy and the enemy of Allah? Are the enemies of the Angels or Prophets, enemies of Allah? Should Muslims love or hate Shaytan and the enemies of Allah?

We know clearly from the Qur'an and Sunnah that we are to oppose and detest the enemies of Allah. This is obvious. As Allah swt says:

58:22 Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred.

Now, before I clarify the issue with regards to gays, I should repeat what I had mentioned far earlier in the thread to summarize.

Homosexuality is clearly a sin in Islam, it has severe consequences from both a medical and an Islamic perspective. The two scientific theories - that it is caused by environmental factors or that it is caused by genetic factors - are irrelevant to the issue. If it is caused by environmental factors, then it is the product of certain factors in society which need to be eliminated and these individuals need to be guided and helped. If it is a 'genetic' cause then it is a test for that individual just as other individuals are born with mental disabilites etc. But either way, these individuals need help to control their desires and not act on them (in the case of a genetic trait) or they need the help to eliminate these desires (in the case of a environmental trait).

Remember that Prophet Lut (pbuh) first called his people to leave their evil ways. Many of these gays are simply the product of this society since society views it as acceptable, they've been brought up believing it to be an acceptable lifestyle, so they need to be informed that this is a destructive lifestyle that will ruin them in this life and the hereafter. Whoever persists in this matter after being warned, they are to be opposed because they are committing a sin.

Wa 'alaykum as-salaam.

 

[YamahaR1]

As a christian, the holy bible tells me:

Matthew 22:34-40

But when the Pharisees heard that He had put the Sadducees to silence, they gathered themselves together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

Back to the original question....
You find out your friend is gay, do you hate them?

My answer:
No. However, I would pray for them.

 

[Far7an]

Greetings Yamaha,

You find out your friend is gay, do you hate them?

I would agree with brother Osman on this..

It's the act of being gay that one should dislike and not the person, I think. A friend of mine once said that hate is a dark and destructive emotion which can be difficult to overcome.

I think I would pity the person, more than anything. And perhaps pray a little, for his/her guidance.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

As a christian, the holy bible tells me:

This is what the Bible says about homosexuality:

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

So what does the Bible command as the punishment for homosexuality?


Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

Regards

 

[Idris]

Asalamu Alaikum

You find out your friend is gay, do you hate them?

I'd take them to the highest building i can find and I'd fly kick him off it

You think I am hursh?

What do you think the likes of 'Umar would have done

 

[minaz]

What do you think the likes of 'Umar would have done

If you are refering to Umar R.A. then i'd guess that he as we should do would of adopted the methodology of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) talk to the sinner and convey true Islam to him/her. If you are referring to some random Umar then I certainly wouldn't wanna catch him on a bad day

 

[Idris]

If you are refering to Umar R.A. then i'd guess that he as we should do would of adopted the methodology of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) talk to the sinner and convey true Islam to him/her. If you are referring to some random Umar then I certainly wouldn't wanna catch him on a bad day

Masha Allah...yeah true ...you caught me on a bad day.

 

[minaz]

lol, i'm thankful you don't encorporate the nature of " random Umar" - i'm bloody scared of heights!

 

[root]

I'd take them to the highest building i can find and I'd fly kick him off it

Homophobic comment. Remember that next time u want to use the phrase Islamicphobia.

 

[Muhammad]

Homophobic comment. Remember that next time u want to use the phrase Islamicphobia.

Greetings,

Having a phobia for something means:

1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

I doubt anyone here is afraid of homosexuality in the sense that they wrongfully dislike it when it is not a dangerous thing. On the contrary, people hate and fear Islam when it is a religion of peace and this is simply due to lack of knowledge. It is common knowledge though, that being gay is not a natural way to live.

Peace.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Homophobic comment. Remember that next time u want to use the phrase Islamicphobia.

Hi Root,
You're putting Islam on the same level as homosexuality. Yet, we know that homosexuality has disatrous medical consequences, which you weren't able to deny. Thus, it is rightly condemned as an evil sin.

On the other hand, while some people may claim that Islam is bad, I have not seen a single allegation against Islam which has not been refuted.

So, your comment above is as though one were to condemn cannibals and you reply by calling it a 'cannibal-phobic' comment!

Regards

 

[quran4me]

salamu alykum a'uthu billah tfeh about such act that is the most discustingest things a human can ever do. in islam the gay person should be killed according to islamic shari'ah.if i was a president of a muslim contury i'll kill every single ***** after advising them and asking them to repent to allah the most high. waallahu alam :brother:

 

[azim]

The 'Homosexuality-Beastiality' parallel

Salaam.

Despite this topic being discussed on another thread, I'd like to look at it from a different perspective inshallah in this one.

The Islamic viewpoint of homosexuality is that is it wrong and unnatural. People refute this through a number of claims, and I'd like to put them under examination here.

Would a relationship between a human and an animal be accepted? Most people (I hope) would say, no - it's wrong. The same people may agree with homosexuality, but in the end, the arguments boil down to the same thing.

If you agree with homosexuality, you MUST by principle, agree with beastiality.

If you say: -

Humans and animals are not biologically compatiable - Then nor are two males or two females.

A human being is capable of love - so are animals.

Human beings can consent - what if the animal iniated the sexual act (I've seen dogs try it on with big rocks, so its possible)

In the end, it boils down to your moral standards. Some people say Islam is backward for not agreeing with homosexuality, but are those who find beastiality repulsive backward for not accepting it? Moral decay often occurs in a society with a lack of ethics and a hedonistic values. Islam has some fixed values to ensure that a society does not fall into such a perverse nature.

Salaam.

 

[czgibson]

Hi Ansar,

Yet, we know that homosexuality has disatrous medical consequences, which you weren't able to deny. Thus, it is rightly condemned as an evil sin.

Which medical consequences are you speaking of?

Peace

Greetings Azim,

If you agree with homosexuality, you MUST by principle, agree with beastiality.

By what principle exactly?

Peace

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Which medical consequences are you speaking of?

I'm glad you asked. It was important point I brought up early in the thread and I didn't want it to be forgotten as it got buried under a lot of replies.

The site I provided was:
http://www.narth.com/docs/consequences.html

But the specific point that I emphasized was the disastrous effects of anal sex.

Can anyone refute that anal intercourse tears the rectal lining of the receptive partner, regardless of whether a condom is worn, and the subsequent contact with fecal matter leads to a host of diseases?

Diseases to which active homosexuals are vulnerable can be classified as follows:

Classical sexually transmitted diseases (gonorrhea, infections with Chlamydia trachomatis, syphilis, herpes simplex infections, genital warts, pubic lice, scabies); enteric diseases (infections with Shigella species, Campylobacter jejuni, Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia, ["gay bowel disease"], Hepatitis A, B, C, D, and cytomegalovirus); trauma (related to and/or resulting in fecal incontinence, hemorroids, anal fissure, foreign bodies lodged in the rectum, rectosigmoid tears, allergic proctitis, penile edema, chemical sinusitis, inhaled nitrite burns, and sexual assault of the male patient); and the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).

Read from this point in the thread to find the discussion on this topic.

Regards

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: The 'Homosexuality-Beastiality' parallel

azim,
Threads merged. I thnk one thread is best for this.

The Islamic viewpoint of homosexuality is that is it wrong and unnatural. People refute this through a number of claims, and I'd like to put them under examination here.

Careful with your wording here - some people rebut (attempt to refute) the claim that homosexuality is wrong, but they haven't been able to refute (prove it to be false) the claim. As I've pointed out here, homosexuality has disastrous consequences, including medical, societal and spiritual.

Other than that, I think you've raised a very interesting analogy in comparing homosexuality with beastiality, and I would agree with the point you made.

By what principle exactly?

I believe Azim is referring to the principles behind the arguments commonly used by pro-homosexuals that its one's personal lifestyle and we have no right to interfere with their private life, etc.

Regards

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I believe Azim is referring to the principles behind the arguments commonly used by pro-homosexuals that its one's personal lifestyle and we have no right to interfere with their private life, etc.

Surely there's a difference here - homosexual people can give consent, whereas animals can't.

I support the rights of homosexuals, but I don't support the rights of zoophiles.

Peace

Greetings Ansar,

You've mentioned a number of ailments, all of which could be caught through heterosexual sex too. Also, you are simply discussing male homosexual anal sex - obviously gay men also have other ways of pleasuring each other.

How would you go about showing that lesbianism is wrong?

(You must be aware that the ideas you're putting forward would strike most people in the West as being bigoted in the extreme.)

Peace