A Muslim is one who believes in One God and follows Prophet Muhammad (saaws) as the pattern to worship this One God, Allah (swt). If one does not practice the religion then he wouldn't be considered a Muslim. I myself went for 15 years with only occassionally performing salah. I do not consider myself to have been a Muslim during those wandering years. I myself consider written testimony on this forum to be valid, but who am I to say. However, Allah (swt) knows very well those who fear Him and hope in His Mercy.
It doesn't matter if anyone hears you or not- you are still a Muslim.
Congratulations mashaallah.
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Yes there r paid as well as voluntry Imams in mosques.
Yes.
Islam encourages charity & spending money.
There's a compulsory charity = Zakaat to be given once a year.
There r many Islamic
They can go to mosque together BUT male/female sections r seperate so they'll pray seperately.
No inside mosque if u ment that.
Some muslim scholars say islam prohibits music, I disagree.
Islam is religion of nature & never puts a ban on natural requirements, It Just requires us to stay within certain limits.
Islam discourages wrong & excessive use of music.
Music per se is not prohibited(Haraam).
(To all those who might wanna jump in, to prove me wrong, I have one question, If music was haraam on it's own why Prophet Muhammad(saww) allowed it on Eid-Ul-Fitr day!!!)
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Brother, can you please provide the authentic evidences for your statements?
As you know in Islam we do not go around making claims without evidence from Quran and authentic Sunnah. This is to avoid creating or following Islam of our own desires and whims and to be led astray by others.
Here is a ruling for you to read that clearly states that music is haraam bar one exception and that is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – which can be used by women on Eids and at weddings.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands.
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng&txt=music
Here is what others have had to say about music
http://www.islamicboard.com/fiqh/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/18944-music-not-allowed-why-we-wasting-our-time-anyway.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/25072-music-totaly-haraam-islam.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/22297-when-how-did-you-give-up-music.html
Our own personal interpretation does not precede what Allaah (swt) has commanded us to do.
InshaAllah you find the sources given beneficial.
I completely agree with you. There is obvious belief in her heart that there is only One God without equal, Allah (swt), and that Muhammad (saaws) was a Prophet of Allah.
I just meant to say that her testimony is valid in the sight of Allah even if it was not witnessed by others.
I wanted to point out that a major area of difference between Islam and Christianity is that only belief is not enough. For example, can one be considered a Muslim if he doesn't pray 5 times a day as Prophet Muhammad (saaws) prayed?
Protestant Christianity.... it was a heresy that Martin Luther insisted upon 'only faith,' the apostolic Churches believe that one needs to have faith and good works to fulfill the covenant, per Corinthians.
Brother, can you please provide the authentic evidences for your statements?
As you know in Islam we do not go around making claims without evidence from Quran and authentic Sunnah. This is to avoid creating or following Islam of our own desires and whims and to be led astray by others.
Here is a ruling for you to read that clearly states that music is haraam bar one exception and that is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – which can be used by women on Eids and at weddings.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands.
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng&txt=music
Here is what others have had to say about music
http://www.islamicboard.com/fiqh/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/18944-music-not-allowed-why-we-wasting-our-time-anyway.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/25072-music-totaly-haraam-islam.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/22297-when-how-did-you-give-up-music.html
Our own personal interpretation does not precede what Allaah (swt) has commanded us to do.
InshaAllah you find the sources given beneficial.
Wa-alaikum As-salaam brother,
Above links put stress on Quran:31:6 which use word (Lah'-wal hadees) which means amusing/distracting-tales, NOT songs as such. Though songs can be considered of same catogory & that exactly what i said that Music on it's own is not haraam ONLY it's wrong use is bad.
Here's the hadees where Prophet allowed music on Eid day:-
Bukhari:15:70: & Muslim:4:1942:-
Prophet(saw) did NOT prohibit music in general ONLY one instrument was declared to be instrument of satan:-
'Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) came (in my apartment) while there were two girls with me singing the song of the Battle of Bu'ath. He lay down on the bed and turned away his face(so prophet didn't say anything himslf if it was haraam prophet would have NEVER tolerated a haraam in his house). Then came Abu Bakr and he scolded me and said: Oh ! this musical instrument of the devil (which is “Bell”see Muslim:24:5279 so there is contradiction in 2 ahadees)in the house of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turned towards him and said: Leave them alone. And when he (the Holy Prophet) became inattentive, I hinted them and they went out, and it was the day of 'Id and negroes were playing with shields and spear. (I do not remember) whether I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) or whether he said to me if I desired to see (that sport). I said: Yes. I stood behind him with his face parallel to my face, and he said: O Banu Arfada, be busy (in your sports) till I was satiated. He said (to me): Is that enough? I said: Yes. Upon this he asked me to go.
Did prophet(saw) allowed a so-called "haram" thing on EID's day??? NO.... If music was "haram" prophet HIMSELF would have stoped those girls from singing.
Bukhari:61:568:-
Prophet(saw) did NOT prohibit Abu Musa from having this instrument:-Narated By Abu Musa : That the Prophet said to him' "O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David."(so a prophet of Allah was given musical instrument & Psalms which r songs;)
Fiqh-us-Sunnah: Supererogatory Prayer. Fiqh 2.153.
Ibn Hajar writes in Fath al-Bari, "Ibn as-Siraj related from Abu az-Zinad on the authority of 'Urwah from 'Aishah that the Prophet said that day: 'Let the Jews of Medinah know that our religion is spacious [and has room for relaxation] and I have been sent with an easy and straight forward religion. "'
Islam of Prophet Muhammad(saw) is EASY religion while “talibanised” ppl like to making it impossible-to-follow religion. Music is part of nature listen to birds in morning ; can u shut them up if music is haraam!!!
Bukhari:58:268:-
Narated By 'Aisha : That once Abu Bakr came to her on the day of 'Id-ul-Fitr or 'Id-ul-Adha while the Prophet was with her and there were two girl singers with her, singing songs of the Ansar about the day of Buath. Abu Bakr said twice. "Musical instrument of Satan!" But the Prophet said, "Leave them Abu Bakr, for every nation has an 'Id (i.e. festival) and this day is our 'Id."
I am not condoning wrong use of music. I'm just saying that music on it's own is not HARAAM. Making something HARAAM means declaring it a sinful thing on it's own. Prophet would himself have hushed those 2 girls & would not have stopped Abu-Baker if it was HARAAM.
So i say it's discoureged NOT haraam.
Like divorce is dis-liked but NOT haraam. etc.
So i say it's discoureged NOT haraam.
Like divorce is dis-liked but NOT haraam. etc.
& Quran:31:6-7 is talking of stories/tales that Nazar-Bin Haris used to buy story books of his trade trips & used to say to ppl look Muhammad tells u stories of Aad & Samood while I tell u stories of Kings of Pharus & of Rustam & Isfandyaar to distract them from Prophet's(saww) teachings:-
[31:6] But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of God and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.[31:7] When Our Signs are rehearsed to such a one, he turns away in arrogance, as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in both his ears: announce to him a grievous Penalty.
[31:6] But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of God and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.[31:7] When Our Signs are rehearsed to such a one, he turns away in arrogance, as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in both his ears: announce to him a grievous Penalty.
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It's been narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said (translation of the meaning):
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
It's been narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said (translation of the meaning):
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
Ephesians 2:8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory.
Name even one outwardly observable religous ceremony or ritual that all Christians uniformly partake as an essential part of their religion such that if one does not do it, then that person is not considered a Christian.
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i don't know that much about christianity, but baptism comes to mind.
Yes, most Christians practice some form of baptism, but it is not a "ritual that all Christians uniformly partake as an essential part of their religion". Some sprinkle while some immerse, some baptize infants and some don't, some see it as public proclamation of inner faith while others associate it with forgiveness of sin.
I am sure there are other differences, but as far as a common continual practice after initiation, Christians don't have an equivalent to Islamic salah (ritual prayer), sawm (prescribed fasting), zakat (poor due), or hajj (pilgrimage). All of these aspects of Islam were established by Prophet Muhammad (saaws) and we strive to perform them as he did.
why you are debating with me to justify the work of a 16th century german heretic and his french counterpart is beyond my comprehension.
"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)
"who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS" (Romans 2:6)
"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds." (Rev 20:12)
you assume everybody who claims to be Christian is in fact Christian... many are not, including a large percentage of protestant denominations. including but not even remotely limited to:
Mormons,
Jehovahs Witnesses,
Seventh Day Adventists
Church of God
you don't get to be a Christian just because you decide to call yourself one. as a matter of scripture (gospel of matthew) and Church law (catechism & didache) no one is a Christian unless they are baptised with living water in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Christianity is not a democratically elected concept, much to the dismay of protestants, it is the system of beliefs handed down by the apostles through Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, that requires memership into the most Holy Church founded in the New Testament on St. Peter.
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no,
Christians do have standardised rituals... unfortunately those who have gone astray refure to practice them anymore. there are seven sacraments, and we have been performing these sacraments since the apostles. those who do not practice them are are simply practicing heresy or (in many cases) were not Christians to begin with.
i really wish the term could be trademarked.
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I don't think that our dear friend, GraceSeeker, would agree with your definition of a Christian. Protestants don't adhere to the "7 sacraments" (baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, penance & reconciliation, anointing the sick, holy orders, matrimony) in the same sense as Catholics, nor do they have a standard set of rituals among the denominations. From my perspective there is nearly as much difference between Catholics and Protestants as there is between Christians and Muslims.
si,
and i, along with the Church Fathers agree. protestants by definition follow heresies... beginning with schism and moving forward from there. that's why i'm hesitant to identify them as a whole, as Christians... it's something that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. in some cases one might need to look even at the individual basis... i have met baptists for example that appear to be true enough to Christianity that they might be regarded as Christians, yet looking at their catechism and reading spurgeon i think you'd be hard pressed to call their beliefs Christian. the morass of protestantism is so confusing one needs to sort through it by asking individuals, beginning with the first and most important question, did they have a legitimate baptism? then proceeding with additional questions...
and i also note that there is a difference between a heretical christian (who is still christian by virtue of baptism), an excommunicated christian and not a christian at all (world church of God, Jehovah's Witness etc).
again, why is a muslim trying to defend the heresies of protestantism to a catholic? this all seems like a continuation of your unChristian nonsense that works mean nothing at all, why is this issue important to you?
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There is no secret that Jayda and I define "being Christian" differently. This is no doubt a product of our two different traditions and the views we have learned in them. Jayda and I are not only both members of LI, but of a Catholic Forum as well. I have always been of the opinion that those who are connected to God by virture of having a relationship with God in and through Jesus Christ are Christians, no matter how much they disagree with one another over other points of theology. I have learned on the Catholic Forum that some Catholics would agree with that statement, but that many do not. Whether Jayda views me personally as a heretic because I don't accept the teaching magesitrium of the Catholic Church as authoritive and I think that body of Christ (which I view as synonymous to the Church universal) is inclusive of all such believers is not for me to say, but I recognize that there are some Catholics who do. Frankly, I feel that is more their problem to deal with than it is mine; I am secure in my relationship with God as it exists in Jesus Christ without the intermediary of the Catholic Church. And just because an individual Catholic (or even the entire Catholic Church) should view me as somehow outside of the Church does not make it so, nor does it mean that I have to view them in similar fashion.
Secondly, though I disagree with the apparent lines drawn by the Catholic Church, I do appreciate the view that one has to draw a line someplace. I have done the same in saying that members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, and Mormons are NOT Christian despite the fact that they use Jesus' name and attempt to identify themselves as uniquely Christians while excluding all others. So, in essence I have adopted the same pattern of behavior as has the Catholic Church, I just have drawn the circle bigger than they have to include some that they do not (not surprisingly including myself) and yet still excluding others.
Now, my question for Muslims is this, is such a practice any less true within Islam? This thread is about "being Muslim", and I think this question fits within that title? Why do some question whether Shi'ites are Muslims and others accept it without question? Who has the authority to make such a determination? And what if others do not accept such authority, does one then really still have any authorty when that authority is not recognized? I suggest to you that issues with regard to denominations within Christendom are basically issues with regard to authority even more than they are about interpretation of doctrine. (Of course doctrine is what the debates are about, but if there was agreement on authority, then we would all look to the same authority for a common interpretation.) As for those that I cast as outside of Christendom, the issue seems to be similar to the traditional Muslim's view of Ahmadi beliefs as unorthodox.
Secondly, though I disagree with the apparent lines drawn by the Catholic Church, I do appreciate the view that one has to draw a line someplace. I have done the same in saying that members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, and Mormons are NOT Christian despite the fact that they use Jesus' name and attempt to identify themselves as uniquely Christians while excluding all others. So, in essence I have adopted the same pattern of behavior as has the Catholic Church, I just have drawn the circle bigger than they have to include some that they do not (not surprisingly including myself) and yet still excluding others.
Now, my question for Muslims is this, is such a practice any less true within Islam? This thread is about "being Muslim", and I think this question fits within that title? Why do some question whether Shi'ites are Muslims and others accept it without question? Who has the authority to make such a determination? And what if others do not accept such authority, does one then really still have any authorty when that authority is not recognized? I suggest to you that issues with regard to denominations within Christendom are basically issues with regard to authority even more than they are about interpretation of doctrine. (Of course doctrine is what the debates are about, but if there was agreement on authority, then we would all look to the same authority for a common interpretation.) As for those that I cast as outside of Christendom, the issue seems to be similar to the traditional Muslim's view of Ahmadi beliefs as unorthodox.
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Sister Caroline..this is my first time i have been visiting Forum. I read your story, Mashallah it is a very moving story. i was also interested in reading other respond until i reached to this comment of yours about music.
so i decided to ask for you from someone who is expert in Islamic law, and command of the Quran and Sunna which we call Ulama.
when i explained your story he said: you should try to worship but without using music instrument, because this might be very spiritually moving for u since you have grown up with it but in Islam we should know that Allah do need anything that we make him to listen to our prayers. therefore you can be connected directly to Allah on your worship or prayer by sincerely to pray from your heart. this is about worship and praying.
as for your private time you can play music if that gives you comfort but try to reduce it as much as you can and spend your time with learning knowledge because nothing better than learning knowledge or bring someone to the same path as yours.
once you reduce it down you will realize that the instrument is not the one which helps you to be connected to Allah, in fact is your Sincerity and your passion your honesty and obedient to your creator is connect you to Allah.
as i said you don't have to cut yourself suddenly from it slowly you will get there.
May Allah makes things easy for you..Ameen!