Benazir Bhutto Died

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Greetings,
Shocking. Very sad news.

Btw, loads of Islam bashing going on because of this at the Have your say section on the BBC website.

Might I propose that some of us post there too?

Done. :thumbs_up

What is needed there are Muslim voices condemning this action, and lots of them. I know it's demeaning having to constantly "apologise" for things like this, but, people, it's up to you to show the bigots they are wrong.

Peace
 
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So I'm not surprised that Muslims have assassinated yet another person they don't like; they have a long and storied tradition of assassinations to back them up.
Sweeping statements are not cool senor.

Shocking. Very sad news.

Btw, loads of Islam bashing going on because of this at the Have your say section on the BBC website.

Might I propose that some of us post there too?
I would post on that site, but I doubt it will make a difference since their comments are just plain stupid and usual anti-islamic rhetoric.

What is needed there are Muslim voices condemning this action, and lots of them. I know it's demeaning having to constantly "apologise" for things like this, but, people, it's up to you to show the bigots they are wrong.

Peace
Indeed. However, it is too difficult to reason with those kinds of people over the internet. I've seen the tactics certain idiotas use on the internet and quite frankly I'm tired of debating with them - I get a better response from a brick wall. Whereas, debating in person I find much easier.
 
Greetings,
Indeed. However, it is too difficult to reason with those kinds of people over the internet. I've seen the tactics certain idiotas use on the internet and quite frankly I'm tired of debating with them - I get a better response from a brick wall. Whereas, debating in person I find much easier.

Then you're giving the bigots free rein.

All it needs is for as many Muslims as possible to post messages saying "not in my name" or something to that effect. You don't need to argue with them - as you rightly say there would be no point - simply make your position clear for all to see.

Peace
 
But Aamir we can make a difference! We can!

I know it isn't easy, but I can't sit here and read these things and not do anything about it. I won't.

Remember the good ol' days when we had them LI campaigns to infiltrate other forums and teach em' about Islam? :D

If just one person reads our comments and it makes them reconsider their point of view, then our efforts are worthwhile.

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Done. :thumbs_up

What is needed there are Muslim voices condemning this action, and lots of them. I know it's demeaning having to constantly "apologise" for things like this, but, people, it's up to you to show the bigots they are wrong.

Peace

Thanks Mr G. :)

People can also help by recommending the comments that they agree with by hitting the 'recommend' button below it.
 
Yano no disrespect but like corrupt? Its a strong word to label someone with that....I mean i DONT always aggree wif everthing she said esp about the Laal Masjid incident but i dont quite know if thats a words i would describe her using....May Allah have mercy on her soul...One thing i really admire is her determination...She waz a fighter a say tha least?...No offence intended... Salaamz n that

yes corrupt. her father was killed for corruption and she too was corrupt. before she re entered pakistan those charges had to be dropped from her. she was corrupt 100%
she was a fighter for secularism :)
 
Wow. It sounds like we have half a dozen here ready to step up into the void left by the tragic death of the homicide bomber.


"Puppet of the West"???? Oh man. This is going to be a long war. Is anyone else getting a bad feeling?

if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?
 
Greetings,
if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?

I would never wish anyone dead. What makes you think it's OK to kill people?

Peace
 
Greetings,


I would never wish anyone dead. What makes you think it's OK to kill people?

Peace

would i be right to think usama bin laden would be safe in ur hands? :)
i dont think its ok to kill people. but she knew it was coming did she not?
 
Greetings,
would i be right to think usama bin laden would be safe in ur hands? :)

I wouldn't kill him, if that's what you're asking. What would that achieve?

i dont think its ok to kill people.

Then why say things like: "if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?"

but she knew it was coming did she not?

Of course she did. She knew the kind of nutcases that were all around her baying for her blood. That obviously doesn't make it right, though.

Peace
 
Then why say things like: "if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?"
it was in response to someone elses post ...i want to see the persons reaction and answer...
 
Please. Muslims have been assassinating people a long time before there ever was a "West."

In fact, assassination seems to be a common theme in Islam's history, right down to the very beginning with Uthman's assassination. Before that, actually—since the Prophet ordered the assassinations of poets who criticized him. Even the word "assassin" comes from Muslims.

So I'm not surprised that Muslims have assassinated yet another person they don't like; they have a long and storied tradition of assassinations to back them up.

Nor am I surprised to see Muslims like yourself eager to blame it all on the West. Because that never gets old.

this is the typical western spin, why dont we look at this situation in its proper context with the context i responded with to your statement. obviously you have a hard time following your argument.

you said it wasnt suprising that a western supporter and secular got assasinated, and i said indeed it isnt because of all the crimes and aggression the western secular world has done against Muslim countries in the past 100 hundred years..

your response? none, so what do you do? change topic and start bringing up history from 1400 years ago which isnt relevent at all to anything going on right now, but its okay, anti-Islamic goons like you will never take responsibility, you feel you are the only one who has a right to speak against Muslims but not the other way round, and if a Muslim does expose you, what do you do? you spin it like you just did now.

so instead of ranting with your stupid Islamphobe antics why didnt you bother adressing what i said? such as 100 years of western secular aggression against the Muslim world, covert coups, and support of puppet dictators, i know you cant, so its easy to start spewing garbage.

secondly, you are a liar, you may be able to carry your lies with Muslims who dont know Islamic history, but this isnt your lucky day since i am an apologist, the prophet Muhammad NEVER killed any poet for speaking against him....you see you are a liar, the prophet killed poets who INCITED VIOLENCE AND MURDER against him, and his fellow Muslims, that is the part you left out, but since its in your nature to lie i know you would leave that out. someone who incites violence and murder is no different than the one who carries the sword, hence the prophet was PERFECTLY justified in calling for their deaths....heck USA does the same thing! i dont see you nagging when they do it, so plz your lies dont work here, but its ok u can keep the lies, it will be to your lost when you burn in the pits of hell to eat from the tree of Zaqqum.

as for Islam having a long line of assasinations, you mean Islam or the western world? again, be consistent, if your trying to make Islam look bad because of assasinations then i guess your people are the biggest backward barbaric murderors on the face of this planet, so lol you obviously dont know how to build a consistent coherent argument.

but again, DONT GO OFF ON A TANGENT, you made the comments, i responded, respond to the appropriate context, or just keep your mouth shut, but i dont blame you, your pretty thick like most of your people, you cant respond to facts, all you can respond with is ISLAM THIS! ISLAM THAT! and as i said you are thick so you can be excused.
 
Greetings,
it was in response to someone elses post ...i want to see the persons reaction and answer...

That's irrelevant. You've basically implied that you support murder. Well done!

Peace
 
That sounds a lot like you are supporting the killing.

no it doesnt, your just a western bigoted idiot, everytime a Muslim speaks facts you respond by saying hmm looks like you support murder!

i challenge you to show me where i supported her murder? go on, you will not be able to find it, and for that you are a bigoted idiot, i hope admins dont take this down, this guy accuses me of supporting a murder with no proof, so therefore i have every right to call him a bigoted idiot which he is indeed, he simply stated i supported the murder because i am Muslim plane and simple.

in my comments i made statements of FACT, that in the past 100 years western secular nations have been either forecefully occupying Muslim lands, or carrying our covert coups, or supporting dictators, so therefore indeed it isnt suprising if a supporter and stooge of this ideology and group is killed by some Islamic groups.....tell me how does that mean i support her killing? im just stating a fact that there will be many many angry ppl who will want to take actions against these type of people, and when you look at their history, then it isnt suprising to see why some Muslims would want to take action, and this is common sense. but offcourse your a bigoted idiot you couldnt actually respond to the facts i made because they were all true, so what do you do? the typical western spin: "erm he sounds like he supports death!"

see folks this is becomming a very sickening pattern amongst many westerners, whenever a Muslim legitimitly speaks against oppresion against them westerners will accuse them of being terrorists or sympathisers to terrorism, or they will respond by saying oooooooooooo how can a Muslim even dare speak against violence when Muslims are blowing things up! they are trying to silence the Muslims, and this fool willy boy and the other idiot Qingy are good examples of it.

this willy boy accuses me of supporting murder, and the other fool qingy goes on a rant against Islam, so as you can see, they dont want Muslims to speak against oppresion being commited against us.
 
you know whats funny is that so many ppl are using this to bash Islam and Muslims, while Bhutto herself was a Muslim! in the same sentence that they bash Muslims and Islam as backward violent barbarians, they go on to praise what a brave wonderful woman bhutto was, remember she was Muslim! so how does that work?

these people could care less about bhutto, they are just using her for their own agenda to bash Muslims, its so funny these same anti-Muslims always say deport all Muslims that were all evil ppl who deserve to be sent to concentration camps or be nuked, yet when a Muslim dies they start showing sympathy?

its pretty much like the holocaust victims, zionists and western neo-con crusaders could care less about the jewish victims of the nazis, but they will keep bringing them up for their own agenda.
 
if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?

If they snuck into the US on an expired student visa, took flying lessons but didn't want to learn how to land, hijacked a plane and were determined to bring shariah to the US by flying a jetliner into a big building at 500 mph and immolate a few thousand people....then...yes, I would want the President to order an F-16 pilot to shoot them down, which would likely cause them great bodily harm.

On the other hand, if they were lawfully engaging in open political debate then of course I would not wish them dead. That you would ask such a silly question (by "Western" standards) only serves to demonstrate the vast gulf of understanding between us and makes me lament what is to come. If there are many like you, and I suspect there are, then we are looking at least at a generation of struggle.
 
Salaam,

I just want to say that after hearing the news of Bhuttos assassination , i was horrified to learn that muslims are behaving this way. what will the rest of the non muslims think of islam now? jus when we are trying to help them believe that islam is a peaceful religion. Its idiots like that who cause controversy around the world!!!!!!!

May jannat be upon Benazir Bhutto, she was a wonderful lady.
and may those responsible be punished and brought to justice.

Aslama alaikum.
 
Benazir was a shiite. Accept it.

It doesnt mean that is the sole reason for hatred.

She was corrupt, she mas milked the country,she has commited crimes against Pakistan.

She was alos an Oxford Graduate, very educated and smart women.

She is a national treasure, and should be treated like one. How many relatives of yours can go and lead Pakistan ?

May Allah grant her Janat.
 
Muslims pray for murdered Bhutto

Prayers have been said at mosques across the West Midlands for Pakistan's former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

The country's opposition leader was among at least 17 killed in a suicide attack in Rawalpindi on Thursday.

Birmingham Perry Barr Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, who is currently in Pakistan, said he was "horrified and saddened".


Ms Bhutto had visited the Midlands during her lifetime, most recently in 1999 when she gave a speech at a rally for her supporters in Birmingham.


Mr Mahmood, who is in Islamabad on government business, said Ms Bhutto had died because of her commitment to democracy.


He said: "This is somebody who has always believed in the democratic cause.


"She lost her father and two brothers to that cause and now she has paid the ultimate price with her own life.


"My thoughts are with her three children."

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Mohammed Naseem, Birmingham Central Mosque Chairman

The Foreign Office has updated its travel advice for Pakistan, warning against all but essential travel.

The BBC's Birmingham-based Asian Network suspended its schedule on Thursday for a three-hour special programme reacting to the events in Pakistan.


Salma Yaqoob, Respect councillor for Sparkbrook, said some feared the country would "descend into civil war".


"We're all fearful now about what's going to happen next," she said.


"There's no doubt it's going to be thrown into turmoil, more instability.


"People are worried it may actually descend into civil war."


North Staffordshire businesswoman Parveen Siddique was at Oxford University with Ms Bhutto.


She said: "It is a very, very great loss to Pakistan.


"Overall, she was a friend of Pakistan - it was her passion to make a difference there. She came back with the intention that she wanted to be the big change there, so it really is a big loss."

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Muslims offer prayers for Bhutto

British Asian reaction

British Muslims have offered prayers for the former Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto, who was assassinated by a suicide bomber.


Special prayers were said at Birmingham Central Mosque following the usual Friday service.


Worshippers paid tribute to Ms Bhutto as they gathered for prayers.

Mosque regular Dr Mohammad Ijaz said: "She was a popular leader and her father was a great politician. It is a tragic loss of life."

Fellow worshipper Rabnawaz Chughtai, 41, said: "Pakistan's future position is dark now, because we have lost a leader. She represented not just Pakistan, but all over the world."


"We have lost her, but there are more leaders who can hopefully combat that and bring the democracy back."


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Mohammad Bashir

But Mr Chughtai said Pakistan now needed to get rid of President Musharraf's regime. "He is in the way of democracy," he said.

Mohammad Bashir said: "Benazir Bhutto is a world-class statesman who was renowned throughout the world, not just in Pakistan.


"She was a very charismatic personality and intellectual character. Most people have been in contact with their loved ones in Pakistan and have been trying to find out what the latest position is.


"In most major cities there has been upheaval and unrest."


Mosque chairman Dr Mohammed Naseem urged the people of Pakistan not to let the assassination destroy democracy.


Dr Naseem also called on Pakistanis to remain calm as violence erupted in the country amid fears of civil war breaking out.


Build democracy


He said the country's citizens should "take time to come together and say we are not letting anybody disrupt our process of democracy.


"Destroying property and killing people is senseless. Gun law is not the right law for any country."


Prime Minister Gordon Brown telephoned President Pervez Musharraf to pass on Britain's condolences and support.


Mr Brown urged Mr Musharraf to "stick to the course he has outlined to build democracy and stability in Pakistan".

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Ishtiaq Ahmed
Bradford Council of Mosques

Salma Yaqoob, Respect councillor for Birmingham's Sparkbrook area, said that Ms Bhutto was a charismatic figure who came to Birmingham quite often where she was "always well received."

She added that many Muslims in Birmingham had families in Pakistan and feared for their safety as riots later erupted in several Pakistani cities in the hours after the assassination.


The Archbishop of Birmingham, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, said the city's Catholic community would also be praying for Ms Bhutto and her family.


He said: "The assassination of Benazir Bhutto is a terrible crime which creates a critical situation in Pakistan.


"We shall also be praying for Ms Bhutto and her family."


In Bradford, where about 70,000 people of Pakistani origin live, the killing was condemned as a "sad day" for the country and a threat to democracy.


'Terrorist forces'


Bradford Council of Mosques spokesman Ishtiaq Ahmed said: "The murder of Benazir Bhutto is a major setback to restoring democracy in Pakistan.


"The country, presently in the clutches of military, is being held at ransom by anti-democratic and terrorist forces."


Bradford was a major support base for Mrs Bhutto's political party, the PPP.


Mohammed Akram, from the Hanfia mosque in the city, said people would be anxious to find out who was behind the killing.


"We're shocked and we're very sad when we heard this news," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"She had a lot of supporters in Bradford. In fact, her father had a lot of support and since then she was like a Bradfordian to us."

Earlier, the prime minister condemned the attack as "a cowardly terrorist act designed to destabilise democratic elections".


He told President Musharraf: "The international community is united in its outrage and determination that those who stoop to such tactics shall not prevail.


"This deadly attack is also a potent reminder of the threat we face from terror.


"Pakistan is a major ally in the global effort to combat this menace."


Mr Brown also pledged his support in the "efforts to destroy al Qaeda" during the conversation with Mr Musharraf, Downing Street said.


Foreign Secretary David Miliband called the bombing, which killed about 20 people, a "senseless attack".


The Tories said it was "an appalling act of terrorism" and the Lib Dems called it a "hammer blow" to democracy in Pakistan.

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