bible clearly says jesus was not crucified!!!

[Grace Seeker]

Its a word of God and how can you say it isnt important

Look at what I said was unimportant. I said whether you read in the KJV or some other version isn't important. But I said that in the context of the post that you made, that there was something that was important that you were missing.

Airforce, words do not stand in isolation. They are written within the context of wider discussions and patterns of thought. If you are unable to understand that in our conversations here, it is little wonder that you keep missing this important thing called context in the Bible passages you continue to quote, for more often than not you radically miss their actual meaning for innovations that are not Gospel, not Pauline, but pure Airforcean.

 

[Predator]

It's hardly causing 'much suffering'. As mentioned previously, Christians have thought about this, weighed it out, and arrived at the same conclusion, just as they have every controversial passage. There's little debate between Christians about the meaning of the verse outside the consensus; the only 'suffering' caused is by Muslim apologists giving weight to their own cause and trying to turn the verse into something it isn't, and something not taken seriously by the general majority of Christians. Which is fine, every religion must have its apologists that seek faults in the religious texts and theology of others in order to proselytize. It's human nature, even atheists get involved

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If Jesus knew all along that he was destined to be crucified to death (indeed if that was his purpose in life), why did he exclaim on the cross Eli, Eli Lama Sabachthani meaning my God my God why hast thou forsaken me?

Is this how Jesus prepares for sacrifice ?
Is this how Jesus prepares for suicide ?

"When Abraham was told by God to sacrifice his son, his son did not object or question him, if Jesus was sent to be sacrificed for our sins, why would he question God?

Could this not come from someone other than Jesus? Even a Non Prophet would smile at agony as he knew that his death would win him the title of martyr.

Was this not an insult to Jesus in not having faith in God ?

And if he was God , how could he let himself down ?

 

[Supreme]

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If Jesus knew all along that he was destined to be crucified to death (indeed if that was his purpose in life), why did he exclaim on the cross Eli, Eli Lama Sabachthani meaning my God my God why hast thou forsaken me?

Is this how Jesus prepares for sacrifice ?
Is this how Jesus prepares for suicide ?

"When Abraham was told by God to sacrifice his son, his son did not object or question him, if Jesus was sent to be sacrificed for our sins, why would he question God?

Could this not come from someone other than Jesus? Even a Non Prophet would smile at agony as he knew that his death would win him the title of martyr.

Was this not an insult to Jesus in not having faith in God ?

And if he was God , how could he let himself down ?

Jesus was never forsaken, for that would imply He never would have been resurrected. How can He have been forsaken when He was resurrected? Can you explain? Jesus was quoting Psalm 22, written by David- a Psalm, it has to be said, that end happily and with God victorious. God being victorious is the story of the crucifixion in a nutshell.

Um... the fifth one could be Jesus was never forsaken but was quoting a Psalm? It's mere rhetoric; it is easy perhaps for someone who speaks English as a first language, however I suppose the concept would be understandably harder for someone who only speaks it as a second language.

I've always found it useful to read posts before asking the same poster who posted that post in a post what something means that you've already asked in about a dozen other posts. In short, use your eyes next time.

 

[Grace Seeker]

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If Jesus knew all along that he was destined to be crucified to death (indeed if that was his purpose in life), why did he exclaim on the cross Eli, Eli Lama Sabachthani meaning my God my God why hast thou forsaken me?

Is this how Jesus prepares for sacrifice ?
Is this how Jesus prepares for suicide ?

"When Abraham was told by God to sacrifice his son, his son did not object or question him, if Jesus was sent to be sacrificed for our sins, why would he question God?

Could this not come from someone other than Jesus? Even a Non Prophet would smile at agony as he knew that his death would win him the title of martyr.

Was this not an insult to Jesus in not having faith in God ?

And if he was God , how could he let himself down ?

You've jumped to several conclusions that a more careful reading either of the scriptures or our answers to these very questions in previous posts would have helped you to avoid.

Is this how Jesus prepares for sacrifice ?

Jesus is on the cross when he says these things, so he is not preparing for anything, he is in the middle of actually experiencing it.

Is this how Jesus prepares for suicide ?

While Jesus does go willingly to the cross I would not call this suicide any more than I would call a soldier on the battlefield falling on a grenade to save his comrades an act of suicide. But that's just my personal understanding of it, perhaps you would.

if Jesus was sent to be sacrificed for our sins, why would he question God?

Jesus's dark night of the soul was not the cross, but the night before in the garden of Gethsemane. There, knowing what lay before him, he prayed asking if there might be another way. But in terms of his level of commitment, he never waivered, always seeking to do the will of his Father, even when that meant death on a cross.

BTW, with regard to comparisons between Abraham's son and Jesus, Jesus doesn't experience what Abraham's son experienced, Jesus experiences what the lamb that was actually sacrificed experienced.

Was this not an insult to Jesus in not having faith in God ?

No. There is absolutely no evidence, even in Jesus' cry from the cross, that Jesus did not have faith in God. As has been pointed out to you numerous times, Jesus is quoting from one of David's psalms, Pslam 22 specifically, and this opening line introduces a psalm that focuses on God's faithfulness, faithfulness even in the midst of suffering.

Now, this is at least the second time I've answered this particular question for you, and I remember others besides me doing so previously as well. I can understand the question coming from people without background in the scriptures, so when you asked the first time that was not unexpected. But when you've repeatedly asked this same question of more than one of us and been shown the answer but then still continue to ask it repeatedly as if you've stumbled upon something, all that you're making obvious to the rest of us is that either (1) you don't actually take the time to read answers to your questions, (2) your questions aren't really sincere and you're just intentionally contentious in nature, or (3) you're simply not able to process the information given to you and that we're casting our pearls before swine (as the saying goes, not that you're a pig) in trying to help educate you on these things.

if he was God , how could he let himself down ?

He didn't.