Bible verses about sodomy

goodwill said:
Though His judgments be fearsome, God hates none of His creatures, for He is love, just as revealed in Jesus Christ. The purpose of punishment is correction. As the Old Testament puts it: "My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth" (Proverbs 3:11,12).
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"The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
You hate all workers of iniquity." [Psalm, 5:5]

King James Bible
"God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day." [Psalms, 7:11]
 
Parallel Verses (Psalm 5:5)

The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong;

Therefore, the proud may not stand in your presence, for you hate all who do evil.

The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.

The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

The boastful cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all evildoers.

Boastful ones will not stand before you; you hate all those who practice wickedness.

Arrogant people cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who behave wickedly.

The arrogant shall not stand in your sight. You hate all workers of iniquity.

Neither will the proud stand before your eyes; you have hated all workers of falsehood.

Those who brag cannot stand in your sight. You hate all troublemakers.

The boasters shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes;
Thou dost hate all who do iniquity.

The foolish (those who are governed by carnal thoughts or desires) shall not stand in thy sight; thou dost hate all workers of iniquity.

The foolish shall not stand in your sight: you hate all workers of iniquity.

The foolish shall not stand in your sight: you hate all workers of iniquity.

The arrogant shall not stand in thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
 
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4 For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness;
with you, evil people are not welcome.
5 The arrogant cannot stand
in your presence.
You hate all who do wrong;
6 you destroy those who tell lies.
The bloodthirsty and deceitful
 you, Lord, detest. Psalm 5:4-6

He observes everyone on earth;
his eyes examine them.
5 The Lord examines the righteous,
but the wicked, those who love violence,
he hates with a passion.
6 On the wicked he will rain
fiery coals and burning sulfur;
a scorching wind will be their lot. 7 For the Lord is righteous,
he loves justice;
the upright will see his face. -Psalm 11:4-7

1 Vindicate me, Lord,
for I have led a blameless life;
I have trusted in the Lord
and have not faltered.
2 Test me, Lord, and try me,
examine my heart and my mind;
3 for I have always been mindful of your unfailing love
and have lived in reliance on your faithfulness.


4I do not sit with the deceitful,
nor do I associate with hypocrites.
5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers
and refuse to sit with the wicked.
6 I wash my hands in innocence,
and go about your altar, Lord,
7 proclaiming aloud your praise
and telling of all your wonderful deeds.


8 Lord, I love the house where you live,
the place where your glory dwells.
9 Do not take away my soul along with sinners,
my life with those who are bloodthirsty,
10 in whose hands are wicked schemes,
whose right hands are full of bribes.
11 I lead a blameless life;
deliver me and be merciful to me.- psalm 26

‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you.
Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.- Leviticus 20: 22-23

“Why should I forgive you?
Your children have forsaken me
and sworn by gods that are not gods.
I supplied all their needs,
yet they committed adultery
and thronged to the houses of prostitutes.
8 They are well-fed, lusty stallions,
each neighing for another man’s wife.
9 Should I not punish them for this?”
declares the Lord.
“Should I not avenge myself
on such a nation as this?
21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
who have eyes but do not see,
who have ears but do not hear:
22 Should you not fear me?” declares the Lord.
“Should you not tremble in my presence?
I made the sand a boundary for the sea,
an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.
The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail;
they may roar, but they cannot cross it.
23 But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts;
they have turned aside and gone away.
24 They do not say to themselves,
‘Let us fear the Lord our God,
who gives autumn and spring rains in season,
who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.’
25 Your wrongdoings have kept these away;
your sins have deprived you of good. — Jeremiah 5:7-9, 21-25

“I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear:Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.” Luke 12:1-5
 
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more ... yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:15-16

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And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. -- Leviticus 20:23

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I will ... cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, andmy soul shall abhor you. -- Leviticus 26:30

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And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them ... for they are ... children in whom is no faith. -- Deuteronomy 32:19-20

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The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. -- Psalm 5:5

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The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. -- Psalm 11:5​
 
"God is love," as Jesus Christ demonstrated before the world and as the Bible so briefly but profoundly declares. His wrath, hate, and vengeance are of another nature than ours, my friend. "For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God" (James 1:20). Yes, God hates the workers of iniquity so much, that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to transform them into workers of righteousness. Do not despair. Eventually all will know their Savior and rejoice greatly.
 
startingarabic said:
And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
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This is an insult to God. Basically this verse is implying God isn't all-knowing. Just wanted to point that out. God should already know before hand, He didn't need to "go down". Or confirm "according to the cry of it". And neither should there be "and if not, I will know" God would already know.

Just saying
 
goodwill said:
"God is love," as Jesus Christ demonstrated before the world and as the Bible so briefly but profoundly declares. His wrath, hate, and vengeance are of another nature than ours, my friend. "For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God" (James 1:20). Yes, God hates the workers of iniquity so much, that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to transform them into workers of righteousness. Do not despair. Eventually all will know their Savior and rejoice greatly.
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That is shirk right there. Just saying. God is not love. God is loving, but not love. If you say God is love, you are saying love is God. Which is shirk/idolatry.

No prophet :as: can save us from the Punishment of Allah. None except Allah can. Our only hope is in Allah, none else. And for the rest of what you said, I disagree. Allah has no son. And the rest is just folklore/didn't happen, afaik.
 
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Greetings and peace be with you Akhi_Umar;

However ask any normal Christian today and they will say that the Old Testament is not the law the Christians follow today.

Even though Jesus (Pbuh) himself said in the New Testament that he came not to destroy the laws of the past, But rather to fulfil them.
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I believe the law of God to be a profound subject. The only law Adam had, was not to eat from the tree of knowledge, then there were no more laws until Moses. When Cain killed his brother Abel, he did evil, but he was not breaking any law, because the law against killing did not exist at that time.

Laws condemn, so from the time of God giving Moses the law against killing, it then made all murderers guilty and there were punishments for breaking the law.

Jesus acknowledged all the law of Moses, but he reminded the Jews of the greatest commandments, to love God and to love your neighbour as you love yourself. All the law of God hangs and depends on the greatest commandments. In other words, if you truly loved ALL your neighbour as you love yourself, you would not kill, cheat, commit adultery, etc.

Jesus gave us a new commandment, love one another as I have loved you, by this all men will know that you are my disciples. I believe that Jesus obeyed the greatest commandments fully and totally throughout his life, and we should follow his example.

It then seems that people went against God as always, and Islam seems to be a reinforcement of the Old Testament laws. Sadly mankind is still a mess, there is too much law breaking today.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you Serinity;

This is an insult to God. Basically this verse is implying God isn't all-knowing. Just wanted to point that out. God should already know before hand, He didn't need to "go down". Or confirm "according to the cry of it". And neither should there be "and if not, I will know" God would already know.
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As you rightly point out, God already knew what was going on, so he did not need to check it out for his own benefit. If you take the short quoted text in the fuller context, I believe the message was intended for Abraham, and everyone after him.



Genesis 18, Abraham Pleads for Sodom

16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.[c] 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”

20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[d] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[e] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”​


In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric
 
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Serinity said:
That is shirk right there. Just saying. God is not love. God is loving, but not love. If you say God is love, you are saying love is God. Which is shirk/idolatry.

No prophet :as: can save us from the Punishment of Allah. None except Allah can. Our only hope is in Allah, none else. And for the rest of what you said, I disagree. Allah has no son. And the rest is just folklore/didn't happen, afaik.
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To say that God is love is not to imply that He has an abstraction or emotion as a rival. It means that everything God does is done in love.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Akhi_Umar;



I believe the law of God to be a profound subject. The only law Adam had, was not to eat from the tree of knowledge, then there were no more laws until Moses. When Cain killed his brother Abel, he did evil, but he was not breaking any law, because the law against killing did not exist at that time.

Laws condemn, so from the time of God giving Moses the law against killing, it then made all murderers guilty and there were punishments for breaking the law.

Jesus acknowledged all the law of Moses, but he reminded the Jews of the greatest commandments, to love God and to love your neighbour as you love yourself. All the law of God hangs and depends on the greatest commandments. In other words, if you truly loved ALL your neighbour as you love yourself, you would not kill, cheat, commit adultery, etc.

Jesus gave us a new commandment, love one another as I have loved you, by this all men will know that you are my disciples. I believe that Jesus obeyed the greatest commandments fully and totally throughout his life, and we should follow his example.

It then seems that people went against God as always, and Islam seems to be a reinforcement of the Old Testament laws. Sadly mankind is still a mess, there is too much law breaking today.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

Eric
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Hello Eric. I ask Allah SWT to guide you to the straight path Insha'Allah (If Allah wills)

I believe the law of God to be a profound subject. The only law Adam had, was not to eat from the tree of knowledge, then there were no more laws until Moses. When Cain killed his brother Abel, he did evil, but he was not breaking any law, because the law against killing did not exist at that time.
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Where is your evidence for such a statement? You are basically saying that the world was in a state of anarchy before Moses (Peace be upon him) was sent.

Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

9 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”

“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

10 The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.”

If a person breaks the law, he is punished for his actions unless he repents. The same applies in our World to some extent. You kill someone, you are punished whether it be jail or a death sentence.

So the punishment for Cain was that the Earth would no longer produce its crops for Cain, So if there was no law why would there be a need for a punishment like so? If there was no law against murder then why didn't God leave Cain be? Why did God have to withhold the crops? Why did God say that anyone who KILLS Cain will experience a punishment even more worse if there was no law against murder?

Laws condemn, so from the time of God giving Moses the law against killing, it then made all murderers guilty and there were punishments for breaking the law.
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Again... Thousands of years prior to the arrival of Moses (Pbuh), Cain murdered his brother Abel and his punishment was that the that Earth was commanded (according to the Bible) to withhold its crops. So if the law against killing wasn't established then why was Cain punished with this? Why did God say that anyone who kills Cain will have an even greater punishment?

Jesus acknowledged all the law of Moses, but he reminded the Jews of the greatest commandments, to love God and to love your neighbour as you love yourself. All the law of God hangs and depends on the greatest commandments. In other words, if you truly loved ALL your neighbour as you love yourself, you would not kill, cheat, commit adultery, etc.
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Okay so if Jesus acknowledged the law of Moses then surely modern day Christians have to follow the laws of before alongside the TRUE law that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) taught? Many Christians will openly take part in Usury and now accept homosexuality when the Bible preaches that man cannot take part in such acts.


Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…
[Matthew 17-19]

I will now ask you now bearing in mind the above quote... Do you or do you not follow the laws of Moses and Abraham and those that came before Jesus (Pbuh)?
 
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Greetings and peace be with you Akhi_Umar;

Where is your evidence for such a statement? You are basically saying that the world was in a state of anarchy before Moses (Peace be upon him) was sent.
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As I said earlier, the law of God is a profound subject, and it is hard for any of us to understand God in any depth. Forgive me for quoting the Bible version of creation, but why did God give Moses the law, if the law already existed? When Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it seems that he was given a conscience to know the difference between right and wrong.

Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
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If you read the preceding verses, God warns Cain that his anger will lead him to sin, but God does not say to Cain, do not kill your brother.

Genesis 4New International Version (NIV)

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”​

So the punishment for Cain was that the Earth would no longer produce its crops for Cain, So if there was no law why would there be a need for a punishment like so? If there was no law against murder then why didn't God leave Cain be? Why did God have to withhold the crops? Why did God say that anyone who KILLS Cain will experience a punishment even more worse if there was no law against murder?
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I do not pretend to know the mind of God, but my thoughts are that Caine did evil, and that meant he could be punished. I think it was God's intention that Adam should never eat from the tree of knowledge, and we would all be living the good life with God. I think it was God's intention that we should all willingly obey our conscience of good and evil, and Cain would never have killed his brother. But it seems in the Bible that you have only just finished reading the story of creation, and by chapter 7 in Genesis, God is so angry with mankind that he brings on the flood to wipe mankind out.

By the time we get to Moses, it seems God has looked down on so much evil on Earth, that he has to spell out what is in our conscience, and Moses is given the law.

Okay so if Jesus acknowledged the law of Moses then surely modern day Christians have to follow the laws of before alongside the TRUE law that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) taught? Many Christians will openly take part in Usury and now accept homosexuality when the Bible preaches that man cannot take part in such acts.
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I agree with you, all Christians should follow all the laws of Moses, and the more profound commandment that Jesus gave us, but sadly we all sin.

I will now ask you now bearing in mind the above quote... Do you or do you not follow the laws of Moses and Abraham and those that came before Jesus (Pbuh)?
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I try and I struggle, but like Oscar Wilde said, I can resist everything in life...............'Except Temptation'

In the spirit of praying for the wisdom, guidance and the strength to do God's will.

Eric
 

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