Biblical Prophecies about Islam

[SpaceFalcon2001]

Re: Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad (P)

And the gentiles must follow their whims to find the truth? ???

Come now Ansar, the only important truth is that there is one God (which some Gentiles will believe, and others will not. It is up to Jews and Muslims (and everyone else) to inspire that belief in others.

There once was a man who came to Rabbi Hillel and said, if you can teach me the entire torah while I stand on one foot, I will become a Jew, and Hillel said, "What is hateful to you, do not do to anyone else, that is the entire Torah, the rest is just commentary, now go study".

Surely, the Gentile nations do not require the Torah to learn that.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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Yes, the basic truths I agree. But what about the laws of Noahide?

 

[SpaceFalcon2001]

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Yes, the basic truths I agree. But what about the laws of Noahide?

What about them? They are simply basic laws that should be followed for a Gentile to truly be righteous.

I don't think you should have a problem with it, unless you think that idolatry and sexual deviancy and theft and others should be permitted to non-Jews?

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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Well, in a society that is largely atheistic, and has many immoral issues as well, what would you expect an individual to research to come to the truth?

None of the polytheistic books/religions for sure. So what book do they have to guide them? In a sense, don't they just have to rely on instict? And as we all know after dealing with these atheists in debate etc. this instinct can get very clouded at times.

 

[SpaceFalcon2001]

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Atheism is not a big culprit of immorality (other than the obvious sin of disbelief in HaShem). The real cause of immorality is Hedonism. The pagans of the past were hedonists, they did whatever felt good, not caring if it hurt anyone else. Who is a hedonist? Dictators, controlling rulers, abusive kings, people who always have to get their way...

What is basic instinct? We are human, and as was granted adam and eve after they ate of the forbidden fruit, we can tell the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. To not do that which is hateful to yourself, to others, IS our essencial instinct. We always know what we should do at our deepest levels. Whether a person chooses to follow such depends on which philosophy they adopt. Which philosophy they adopt depends on how they were raised by their parents. If they are brought up under the Noachide laws, or equivilent, they will have a firm grasp on that which is right, and will not succumb to hedonism. If they do not believe in a specific doctarine, the risk of hedonism grows, but that doesn't break down the last barrier. Only when they become selfish, self centered, or place themselves above everyone else, only THEN do we have that which is Hedonistic. Atheism, the implication that one cannot prove the existance of HaShem, doesn't lead to immorality until they adopt such principles.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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Interesting, i found another explanation on the topic.....

Song of Songs 5 – “Such is my Beloved…”
As I mentioned earlier in the present chapter, we can answer the Christian’s request for the name “Muhammad” spelled out in his Bible. Believe me when I tell you that the satisfaction you will receive from quoting this verse (Songs 5:16) to Christians in its original Hebrew will make your entire study of comparative religion worthwhile. Not only is the name of God’s Beloved given, but a perfect physical description as well! Here is the passage in its entirety:
“1:5) I am dark, but lovely, O daughters of Jerusalem, like the tents of Kedar, like the curtains of Solomon …5:10) My beloved is white and ruddy (red), chief among ten thousand. 11) His head is like the finest gold; his locks are wavy, and black as a raven. 12) His eyes are like doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. 13) His cheeks are like a bed of spices, banks of scented herbs. His lips are lilies, dripping liquid myrrh. 14) His hands are rods of gold set with beryl. His body is carved ivory inlaid with sapphires. 15) His legs are pillars of marble set on bases of fine gold. His countenance is like Lebanon, excellent as the cedars. 16) His mouth is most sweet, yes, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.” – Song of Songs 1:5, 5:10-16.
Verse 16 transliterated reads: Hiko mamtaqim vi kollo Muhammadim, zay dudee viza hera’ee, benot Yerushallam. When the royal plural “im” is removed from the word “Muhammadim,” you are left with “Muhammad.”- And Muhammad is the Messenger of God! This word is derived from an archaic Semitic tri-literal root known as hemed (hmd). The word Hamad (verb) means: to praise, glorify, exalt, covet, love. The Arabic is spelled: Meem, Ha, Meem, Dal; The Hebrew spelling is identical: Mem, Cha, Mem, Dalet. All Christian translations of the Bible render this word literally rather than recognizing it as the actual name of God’s Beloved (Habibullah). “Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from God? But God is not unmindful of what ye do” (Qur’an 2:140). The verse should read: “His mouth is most sweet, yes, he is Muhammad. This is my beloved, and he is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
In his book Portrait of Human Perfection, Shaykh Ahmad Muhammad Al-Hawfi provides us with a description of the Prophet based on the sound ahadith (traditions) that exactly matches with the description given in this passage. See for yourself.
• “I am dark, but lovely…like the tents of Kedar… My beloved is white and ruddy (red)…” (Songs 1:5, 5:10). In a hadith of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), he described the Prophet as having the most beautiful complexion which was neither pure white nor dark. Imam Ahmad said, “It was a brown bordering on white.” ‘Ali described him with the words, “He was white mixed with red.”
• “His head is like the finest gold; his locks are wavy, and black as a raven” (Songs 5:11). At-Tirmidhi transmitted that ‘Ali said, “The Messenger of Allah had a large head and beard.” Anas said, “He had (black) wavy hair which was neither straight nor curly.”
• “His eyes are like doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set” (Songs 5:12). In one hadith, it states that “he had redness in the black of his eyes.” In another variant, “He had black eyes even without wearing kohl (antimony).” Al-Bayhqai related from ‘Ali, “The Messenger of Allah had large eyes and long lashes, and his eyes were mixed with red.”
• “His cheeks are like a bed of spices, banks of scented herbs. His lips are lilies, dripping liquid myrrh. His hands are rods of gold set with beryl. His body is carved ivory inlaid with sapphires” (Songs 5:13-14). In a hadith found in al-Bukhari, the transmitter said, “I took his hand and placed it on my face. It was cooler than snow and had a more pleasant fragrance than musk.” Anas said, “My hand did not touch any brocade or silk or anything softer than the hand of the Messenger of Allah.” Abu Ya’la and al-Bazzar related with a sound isnaad (chain of narration) from Anas: “When the Messenger of Allah passed through the streets of Medina, the fragrance of musk could be smelt coming from him and it could be said, ‘The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, has passed this way.’”
• “His legs are pillars of marble set on bases of fine gold. His countenance is like Lebanon, excellent as the cedars” (Songs 5:15). In a hadith of A’isha in Abu Khaythama we find, “None of the people with him were called tall without the Messenger of Allah seeming taller then them. If there were two tall men at his side, he seemed taller than them. But when he left them, they were called tall and the Messenger of Allah was called medium.”

 

[SpaceFalcon2001]

Re: Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad (P)

Ignoring the fact that Solomen was not a prophet, this is a love poem between him and a women.

He asks: 9. "What is your beloved more than another beloved, O fairest of women? What is your beloved more than another beloved, that you have so adjured us?"

She responds: 10. "My beloved is white and ruddy, surrounded by myriads.

To read the commentary on this section, look here: http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16449&showrashi=true

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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Ignoring the fact that Solomen was not a prophet,

That's your opinion.

this is a love poem between him and a women.

I don't know how you can conlude that, especially with the Rashi commentary. It refers to many events that are outside of the context of the discussion, like Judgement day etc.

eg.

[10] My beloved is white to whiten my iniquities. Clear and white; when He appeared at Sinai, He appeared as an old man, teaching instructions, and so, when He sits in judgment (Dan. 7:9): “His garment was like white snow, and the hair of His head was like clean wool.”

And how do you conclude that Solomon is speaking to some woman? And who do you think the 'beloved' refers to?

He asks: 9. "What is your beloved more than another beloved, O fairest of women? What is your beloved more than another beloved, that you have so adjured us?"

She responds: 10. "My beloved is white and ruddy, surrounded by myriads.

To me it looks like he is speaking both verses 9 & 10. Like a teacher, he asks the daughters of jerusalem, the fairest of women, who shall be their beloved. Then he responds himself and teaches them, and makes the prophecy.

Also, your understanding of the context is not supported anywhere in the commentary of Rashi.

 

[Sinner]

Re: Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad (P)

Sigh....if you add this and drop that, reverse this, combine that, sooner or later someone could come up with "hot dogs" in the Bible as well.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad (P)

Sigh....if you add this and drop that, reverse this, combine that, sooner or later someone could come up with "hot dogs" in the Bible as well.

As anyone who reads the explanation carefully can see, this is not the case. There's no 'add' this or 'drop' that. Everything has been logically analyzed.

 

[SpaceFalcon2001]

Re: Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad (P)

That's your opinion.

No, that's fact. Kings weren't prophets, they couldn't speak for or interpret the will of HaShem, which is why they needed prophets to speak to HaShem FOR them. Why have someone else speak to HaShem if you could do it yourself?

I don't know how you can conlude that, especially with the Rashi commentary.

The traditional understanding is usually as I said. The entire Song of Songs is one big love poem. We use verses from it during marriages. Rashi takes it a little more prophetically (Not because Solomen himself was a prophet but because he takes the position that the entire Tanach was given at the time of the Torah).

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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No, that's fact. Kings weren't prophets,

Yes, there were Prophet Kings, and Solomon was an excellent example. In a way, Prophet Moses was the King of his people as well. he certainly was a statesman.

27:16 And Solomon inherited (the prophethood of) David. He said: "O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This, verily, is an evident grace (from Allah)."

We have revealed to you, just as We revealed to Noah and the Prophets who came after him. And We revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Tribes, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And We gave David the Zabur. (Qur'an, 4:163)

The traditional understanding is usually as I said.

Who's to say it's the correct one? Whichever one is more logical should be accepted, no?

Rashi takes it a little more prophetically

I noticed that, and for that reason you cannot blame Muslims for following the methdology of your greatest commentators.

 

[Preacher]

Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.

Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.​

The sole purpose of this thread is to present as many prophecies as possible about the advent of Islam, superiority of Ka'ba, revelation of Qur'an, and arrival of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) from the Bible (OT & NT). I like to see others Muslim brothers and sisters contribute to this thread as much as possible.

Here are seven prophecies (link) from the New Testament.


New Testament Prophecies about Islam & Muhammad (SAW)
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/ntp.htm


Preacher

 

[Bittersteel]

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Some Christians fiercely refute the claim by Muslims that Islam and Mohammad(PBUH) was prophesied by Jesus or Moses(Peace be upon them all).

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.

And we refute them back.

 

[Preacher]

Re: Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.

Some Christians fiercely refute the claim by Muslims that Islam and Mohammad(PBUH) was prophesied by Jesus or Moses(Peace be upon them all).

I have a great deal of trouble with your choice of words and with your phraseology, which I suspect to be very deliberate. Because you don’t seem to be ignorant of English language, rather you write better than this author (me).

If you have your own deep seated/rooted internal distrust and weak Iman, than I suggest that you acquire some true knowledge of Deen rather wasting time on Internet.

Christians have never been able to refute anything since last 1425 years. It is rather your erroneous belief. Christians have always denied with plain stupidity and ignorance, because they know they are standing on quicksand. Thus, mere denial does not constitutes "refutation", neither they are same nor interchangable.

Why don't you bring Christian/s here who allegedly fiercely refute and I am willing to take them on, here.Isn't seeing is the believing?

How Christians argue and debate is a matter of fraud and forgery. A moderator of another Muslim forum (WhyIslam.org) requested me to help him and few Muslims out at "Catholic Discussion Forum" where 4/5 Muslims were outnumbered and overwhelmed by Christians' onslaught with lies. I joined the Catholic forum and Allah is my witness that I impeached each and every id in two days and also challenged them on many issues including Mubahala.

Guess what your Christian heroes did? They quietly banned me and I cannot log on there. By the way I was extra careful for not violating any forum's rule/s because I knew how how they play these games.

So go ahead bring the fierce Christian refuter and I will take him on these issues?
Also, may I ask that why you always come in opposition of what Muslims' post, which side you are on? Why did you speak when even Christians in this forum didn't dare to make any assertion or claim?


Preacher

 

[Preacher]

Re: Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.



Christians make a big deal out of "prophecies" and "miracles" and their whole arguments and claims are based on alleged prophecy/ies and miracle/s' Then to discredit Islam, Christians love to put forward the challenge that Muhammad (SAW) did not performed any miracles, thus he is a false prophet etcetera.

The irony of Christian claim is that their Bible is full of prophecies about Muhammad (SAW) including the prophecies of his miracles. But their sheer ignorance of their own scripture has blinded these Christians.

Let me prove the miracles of Muhammad (SAW) from Christian Bible and Christian sources:

Bible Foretold Muhammad’s Miracles!
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/ot11.htm

Al-Isra (The night journey) with proof from Christian sources.
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/isra.htm

Abdul Aziz, can you bring a Christian who can fiercely refute these?


Preacher

 

[Bittersteel]

Re: Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.

Preacher I wanted to say that Christians such as Hawk in UI forums refused to accept that Mohammad(PBUH) was prophesied in the Bible.I never said they were correct.
Maybe I used the wrong words in my post.I am bad in english I can't help it.

by the way,Are you a member of Understanding Islam forum?If not please join it.

 

[Preacher]

Re: Biblical Prophecies about the Islam, Qur'an, Ka'ba, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and more.

Preacher I wanted to say that Christians such as Hawk in UI forums refused to accept that Mohammad(PBUH) was prophesied in the Bible.I never said they were correct.
Maybe I used the wrong words in my post.I am bad in english I can't help it.

by the way,Are you a member of Understanding Islam forum?If not please join it.

First let me quote what you exactly posted earlier, which is as follows:

Some Christians fiercely refute the claim by Muslims that Islam and Mohammad(PBUH) was prophesied by Jesus or Moses(Peace be upon them all).

So refute means according to the dictionary:

re·fute (r¹-fy›t“) tr.v. re·fut·ed, re·fut·ing, re·futes. 1. To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof: refute testimony. 2. To deny the accuracy or truth of: refuted the results of the poll. [Latin ref¿t³re. See bhau- below.] --re·fut”a·bil“i·ty (r¹-fy›”t…-b¹l“¹-t¶, rµf“y…-t…-) n. --re·fut“a·ble (r¹-fy›“t…-b…l, rµf“y…-t…-) adj. --re·fut“a·bly adv. --re·fut“er n.

Can you see the fallacy and damaging implication of your statement?

Now we will stick to the issue rather changing it, which I have underlined in the quote above. I don't concern with what Christians say or think? I don't think that UI is a Muslim forum, and I am not a member of that forum.

Why don't you bring that Hawk and other Hawks here and I will debate with them. I would prefer to promote this forum and increase the membership of this forum; instead of chasing some ignoramuses'.


Preacher

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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I have refuted hawk for months. He has been chased from forum to forum. All he does nowadays is throw articles (which is why he was subsequently banned from this forum). Every single one of his lies has been refuted. Currently I had the last response to him and he has been hiding ever since (he hasn't posted there for weeks):
Our short debate

These guys pretend to be hawks, but they're nothing more than monkeys. You shouldn't take them so seriously.