Bin Laden-as-Jesus Art Causes Stir

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Racism is excercising free speech too I guess and we should be tolerant of it and not punish them! :skeleton:
 
wilberhum said:
Taking violent action against someone exercising there right to free speech is a crime.

Taking violent action against someone because you some how belong to the same group of a person who exercised there right to free speech is a hate crime.
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actually when you keep verbally insulting and mocking someone getting a punch and then crying foul play and 'crime' is only what a coward does. lets not act silly plz, if i kept hammering on someone verbally on and on and on and on im simply asking for a punch in the face, and if i get one i richly deserve it.

and the fact is alot of the comments and mockery of Islam comming from newspapers and writers in the west is meant to provoke, and to stir up trouble, i myself study journalism so i know journalists how they think and what the reaction their looking for when they write something..........theres a difference between free speech and being a pri*k, when you make pictures of the prophet with a bomb in his beard is this the way your actually calling for respectful dialog and to understand each other? if you say yes then your an idiot.

muslims arent against free speech, but as i said making pics of our prophet with a bomb in his beard is BOUND to irate a couple of hundred people to react violently, and all of you know this. and the same thing with a pope, you want to have a dialog of understanding? sure, no problem, but wow what a way to start it by saying muhammad brought nothing new or good, he was just a violent man prove me wrong! wow what a way to start a dialog eyyyyyyyyyy.

so lets all stop acting silly and stupid, as they say lets stop playing dumb, ppl who really want a mutual respectful dialog dont go about it by mockery sick pictures, nor by insulting provocating intros. how would it be for a dialog if i went to a christian and i started by saying the crucifixtion is a lie and myth invented by the anti-christ paul who was an agent of rome! is this going to lead to an actual fruitful dialog and understanding? not even close, the christian will become annoyed, and all hopes for a nice dialog and understandng is out the window!
 
Md Mashud said:
Racism is excercising free speech too I guess and we should be tolerant of it and not punish them! :skeleton:
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Yep! That is one on the down sides of freedom of speach.

I am willing to put up the down sides because if you eliminate them you will loose all the up sides.

Tollorance is the key.
 
Free speech should be excercised to the limit in that people should not be restricted in giving opinions on certain issues. These were largely for, against political moves, not long ago, or in other countries, people are pretty much banned (theoretically) from criticising them (Look Russia).

As for, using this rule as a means to anger people, to mock belief, to make predujice on instincts such as race, colour, background - ALL OF THESE having 0% objective - You get no sympathy if you ended up getting punched in the face, no sir.

actually when you keep verbally insulting and mocking someone getting a punch and then crying foul play and 'crime' is only what a coward does
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Ditto.

This is whats happening now..
 
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Md Mashud said:
Free speech should be excercised to the limit in that people should not be restricted in giving opinions on certain issues. These were largely for, against political moves, not long ago, or in other countries, people are pretty much banned from criticising them (Look Russia).

As for, using this rule as a means to anger people, to mock belief, to make predujice on instincts such as race, colour, background - ALL OF THESE having 0% objective - You get no sympathy if you ended up getting punched in the face, no sir.



Ditto.

This is whats happening now..
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people should not be restricted in giving opinions on certain issues.
Oh now the key issue. Who is going to identify what the certin issues?
Will they be universal? How do you enforce that? Who will write up all thoes laws?
You will open up a can of worms that will never be able to control.

Next step, elimination of freespeach. No thank you.:thumbs_do
 
OBL is seen by a proportion of muslims as a new caliph. Like it or lump it, he is followed adoringly by some and he's a religious fanatic. I suppose this is what the "artist" was trying to portray.

The other veiw is that "jesus is all about peace and tolerance" and "OBL is all about Slaughter". it's supposedly a "arty" thing to do to mix two opposites in a ironic way.
 
Hello and selam aleykum,

Anyway - back to the Bin Laden/Jesus topic.
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Exactly. Please refrain from going off-topic. Thank you and jazakAllah khair.


Byebye and selam aleykum.
 
perhaps theres no meaning behind the painting?

perhaps he did it to get world wide attention?
 
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When will people be respectful of each other's religion?! :-\
 
barney said:
OBL is seen by a proportion of muslims as a new caliph. Like it or lump it, he is followed adoringly by some and he's a religious fanatic. I suppose this is what the "artist" was trying to portray.

The other veiw is that "jesus is all about peace and tolerance" and "OBL is all about Slaughter". it's supposedly a "arty" thing to do to mix two opposites in a ironic way.
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I think this is about the only level headed response in this entire thread. :thumbs_up

IMHO the bold statment is most likely his view.
 
"When you observe these two people, their ethics could not be more different," she wrote on her website.

But, she added: "There is a very real possibility that by giving such significant media attention to those who commit crimes and advocate violence, we may inadvertently elevate of them to a status where, in some circles, they are perceived as sacred and holy - revered in the same way we revere Jesus."

Priscilla Bracks
 
PS. I thought it was only fair to include the artists comments in this thread - so that she can (in some way) defend herself!!
 
in some circles, they are perceived as sacred and holy
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Hang on, what? What circles?

Seriously, who treats OBL as sacred/holy? That would be unislamic to do so. I think people are missing point that he is just called a hero for fighting the "enemy", "occupationists" and "oppressors", same way one person may see Bush as doing that but no one would say Bush is Holy/sacred though...- Nothing more nothing less. Just because Muslims may defend him does not make it an act of glorifying to a status of sacred/holy, I see no comparison to Isa :RA:, the painter is obviously confused :skeleton:. This ideology comes when people think Islam is somehow involved in this. For the record, I don't support OBL.
 
wilberhum said:
I wonder how many Australian Christian will burn down buildings and demand the repeal of freedom of speach laws that allow insults to there beliefs?
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Muslims should join them init.... afterall,.. he is the beloved Prophet of Allah. I am sure there are some hardcore Christian Groups ( like the Unique People on the 'jesus camp' video ) who have thrown up a hissyfit. But wether the story makes it on the News is a different story altogether.

Malaikah said:
It is interesting... for me I don't see it as offensive at all*, mainly because it is about 'Jesus' the so called 'son of God' who was crucified... which is different from Isa, the Messenger of God, who was never crucified... I know it is the same person, but I never feel that connect being made with respect to cartoons like this. :mmokay:
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That is a very interesting way of looking at it ! :)

barney said:
The Sikhs smashed up a theater in birmingham as it "insulted" their religion. it was kinda local though. The Mohammed Cartoons were internationally demonstrated by tens if not hundreds of thousands, and included lots of Violence and threats. So out of 1.5 billion muslims a few hundred thousand demonstrating isnt really statistically significant. It makes news because the demonstraters WANT it to be high profile and use violence to acheive this. theres also a element of "make the dirty kuffar pay".

A worldwide non-violent co-ordinated demo would have had a much better effect. now when anyone mentions the cartoons, all thats remembered are Burning Buildings.
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Actually, there was a worldwide non-violent co-ordinated demo on at the same time, lead by men such as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, he even did the same thing when the Pope made a booboo.

But, as always, the media only focused on whatever brought in the most amount of dough,... obviously the price of the Truth is no longer of any value.
 
Md Mashud said:
Hang on, what? What circles?

Seriously, who treats OBL as sacred/holy? That would be unislamic to do so. I think people are missing point that he is just called a hero for fighting the "enemy", "occupationists" and "oppressors", same way one person may see Bush as doing that but no one would say Bush is Holy/sacred though...- Nothing more nothing less. Just because Muslims may defend him does not make it an act of glorifying to a status of sacred/holy, I see no comparison to Isa :RA:, the painter is obviously confused :skeleton:. This ideology comes when people think Islam is somehow involved in this. For the record, I don't support OBL.
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You should check out some of the other Islamic forums out there. There are places where he has quite a following where to condemn him is seen as 'being ungrateful to his struggles'. Such places also have an "interesting" version of history and events.
 

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