Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

[Ali_Cena]

Greetings Azy,

First I would like to say if you read my post, and look at the website, you would have found that at the bottom, there is quoted “As always, if you feel I missed anything important here, or you have an argument which you think cut's the mustard, feel free to bring it up at my forum". So this should really be posted in this feedback section. Never mind, we could discuss this here.

Interesting. God created millions of animals and plants in the right sequence making it look like each evolved from a previously existing form, but they didn't, it was just a set up?

You could say so, but you are assuming evolution is not present, and that everything is “created”, well no in Islam evolution is neither discarded nor promoted. So it would appear evolution has taken place, which in fact might have. But also to solve “missing links” you would say that creation was present at that point. Take for example the Cambrian explosion.
Another point is that, what you are saying is more of history and not really science, as that your opinion that “it looks like each evolved from a previously existing form”.

but they didn't, it was just a set up?

It isn’t a they, and only Allah SWT (God) knows.

That would be great if there was any way you could show it was true.

It would be, but I doubt it.

You're confused. Practically every fossil ever found is an intermediate. If you choose an organism which develops from one form to another in many stages, which stages are the 'species' and which the 'intermediates'? It's just a matter of how you name things.

Firstly it isn’t Qatada that is confused, you should direct that to supposedly Abdul Fattah, but I don’t think you would dare... Secondly I am not quite sure if you know what you are talking about, I think you are confused, could you reword your last part again, in a more understandable way; in a way that doesn’t confuse you and me.

As for the 'jumps', what they basically mean is that due to different conditions or events, organisms evolved very quickly at some times in history and slowly at others.

Proof for your hypothesis?

Concerning the falsifiability of abiogenesis and common descent:
Presumably you think that another mechanism produced the outcome that scientists ascribe to these hypotheses. If you were to show that another mechanism was at work then they would have been shown to be false, therefore they are falsifiable.

You know what I didn’t understand what you said at all man, not being rude but fix up your wordings please.
Peace, sorry if I sounded rude or something, but don’t take it the wrong way

 

[Azy]

Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

So this should really be posted in this feedback section. Never mind, we could discuss this here.

If it's all the same to you I'd rather not submit my personal details to your private forum when there's a perfectly usable one here.

You could say so, but you are assuming evolution is not present, and that everything is “created”

I'm not assuming anything, it was a question.

It isn’t a they, and only Allah SWT (God) knows.

'They' referred to the animals and plants.

Firstly it isn’t Qatada that is confused, you should direct that to supposedly Abdul Fattah, but I don’t think you would dare...

Steve and I have had a few lengthy discussions and I would welcome him back to this one. If those were not Qatada's words I'm sorry, but it was not made clear that he was quoting.

Secondly I am not quite sure if you know what you are talking about, I think you are confused, could you reword your last part again, in a more understandable way; in a way that doesn’t confuse you and me.

What I mean is :- when you have a long period of time where an organism is changing gradually, how do you decide which are separate species and which are intermediates.
To put it another way, when you look at a rainbow, where does red end and orange begin?

Proof for your hypothesis?

Not my hypothesis. I was simply pointing out that when people speak of 'evolutionary jumps', they are generally not speaking about a leap from one distinct species to another without intermediates, but changes which happen very quickly on an evolutionary timescale.

You know what I didn’t understand what you said at all man

Well man, from seemyparadigm, just above where you cut and pasted your other post:-

Abiogenesis Hypothesis which is incomplete, not testable, not falsifiable and not provable.
Micro evolution Theory; well established, testable, falsifiable and provable.
Macro evolution Theory; still some lose ends but testable, falsifiable and provable.
Common descent Speculation; completely half baked, not testable, not falsifiable and not provable.

Abiogenesis and common descent are falsifiable, trivially so. If you showed that there was another reason life came to be, abiogenesis would be proved false. If you showed that an alternative to common descent was true, it would be proved false. Innit.

 

[Chuck]

Why you people go over same thing again and again?

 

[جوري]

Why you people go over something again and again?

It is a primitive defense mechanism left still with some.. which the wise and sentient evolution mishandled in its drive forth

all the best

 

[Chuck]

I made a typo. Anyway, don't these people get tired by rehashing same arguments again and again. This all as been discussed in this thread earlier.

 

[Chuck]

It is a primitive defense mechanism left still with some.. which the wise and sentient evolution mishandled in its drive forth

all the best

That pic is hilarious :bump1:

 

[Woodrow]

I made a typo. Anyway, don't these people get tired by rehashing same arguments again and again. This all as been discussed in this thread earlier.

I agree

There are more than a few evolution discussion threads. They all seem to evolve to the same point.
I guess this is an example of evolution and this is the point of reaching maximum thread evolution and the intolerant admin steps in and says:

:threadclo: