Birmingham protests and brutality

[alcurad]

riots are the most stupid thing, lets face it though, Britannia is quite xenophobic like the rest of Europe :/

 

[Muezzin]

riots are the most stupid thing, lets face it though, Britannia is quite xenophobic like the rest of Europe :/

I think all countries are xenophobic to a degree, because all people are xenophobic to a degree.

Humans are messed up. That's why I love us.

 

[Snowflake]

=Blackpool;1199723]No need to apologise. I wasn't trying to be funny at all. I was just giving my view on this as people here have praised the violence against the right-wing activists. It is no victory for anyone other than the BNP. I saw these pictures in the paper today and they will no doubt cause anger.
Had a newspaper snapped a picture of muslims/blacks/asians walking down the street with placards with the words bearing "peace" with Union Jack flags in their hands it would have had much more of an effect and would have been a DEFEAT to the BNP. Take it from me.

It's ok.. I know you wasn't being funny. Actually I had no idea this incident had even happened. :hiding: Again, I agree with what you say.

I once leaned to the right.

Interesting. Do you mind me asking what swayed you back to the left again? Or are you in the middle somewhere? :?

 

[Amadeus85]

Last time similar things hapenned in Poland 80 and 70 years ago, when we were a multicultural country. In a country of about 30 million people we had about 4 millions Ukrainians, 3 millions jews, 1,5 millions Belarusians,600 thousands Germans, 140 thousands Russians, 80 thousands Lithuanians. It was a colourful country, where in parliament catholic priests sit next to orthodox rabins and those next to lutherans who sat close to orthodox Ukrainians. It had specific climate, maybe close to the american mix of cultures, however in Poland those times each minority (as well as 70% polish majority) sticked close to their religion and culture. It was good in times of peace, although that the fights between polish youths and jews, Poles and Ukrainians were very frequent and brutal. This is what the UK may expect in next decades. Unfortunately, when II World War burst, many Ukrainians began to murder us in cooperation with Nazi Germans, jews were often involved in cooperation with Soviets, about the acts of polish Germans its not even worth to mention, just to say that many of their young joined Hitlerjugend. So I think that multiculturalism may work not bad in times of peace, but in moments of crisis and war, things are getting much worse, nation is divided, chaos appears, each group think about themselves.

 

[جوري]

I am sorry but reading this back and forth, England sounds like an awful unfriendly barbaric place.. I am starting to appreciate all those airline commercials on how cheap it is to get to London for only $379.. it sounds like a dump..

I hope I didn't offend you people (especially Muslim brits) but just seems really unwelcoming...

 

[Blackpool]

It's ok.. I know you wasn't being funny. Actually I had no idea this incident had even happened. :hiding: Again, I agree with what you say.



Interesting. Do you mind me asking what swayed you back to the left again? Or are you in the middle somewhere? :?

I lean towards the Centre-right. I'm not a left-wing but I'm not right-wing either. I once looked at muslims as terrorists and sympathisers of terrorism. I used to refuse to get into a taxi that had an Asian (who I would presume to be muslim) appearance. I was pretty much a strict "anti-muslim." There were certain things that angered me and a few years ago the pictures in the newspaper would have left me fuming.

What changed my view? I work with muslims, I've played football with muslims and most of all I get an idea of the way muslims think on certain issues on this forum. This forum has definately cleared a few things for me.

 

[Snowflake]

^

Thanks for sharing!

 

[andy.stenson]

Id like to say that as a white Brummy too, and having lived in Alum Rock and alot of other inner-city multicultural areas of Birmingham I am proud to say that I have a lot of friends in the Muslim faith, but what I witnessed on Saturday was a complete disgrace. I also detest those right-wing BNP lot, (whatever banner they are hiding under, they are still completely ignorant and narrow-minded). However the reaction by these gangs of young Asians and Somalians was disgusting and to all the innocent bystanders witnessing these events it was the throngs of Muslim youths who were the worst 'racists' on that day. Burning the Union Jack, attacking wholly innocent bystanders just for being white and now I hear making Alum Rock and parts of the Coventry Road 'no-go areas' for English. Now I know that the local Asian populace has had to endure racism in this country for the last few generations, but the way that the youth have dealt with a small minority of BNP who came into our city can only reignite the anger and hatred. At the moment the average white man from suburbia only sees what the media shows him and now and again scenes like on Saturday and when he sees things like this- it is playing right into the BNPs hands. Presently a lot of middle England citizens are scared to speak out against what they see happening because of the fear of being put into that catagory of the scum BNP and find it hard to express thereselves about the state of the country, (I truly believe that the EDL were not set up as a racist organisation just as they claim but the left wing groups are quick to brand anybody as a facist nowadays, and of course the BNP scum do infiltrate these kinds of groups) but when they see Asians acting in this way it is hard for them not to, and in my humble opinion we are headed towards major civil unrest. Remember what happened in other parts of the city over the false claims made on a black pirate raduio station and the aftermath of that, it really doesn't take much to end years of mutual cohabitance. More Asian people need to speak up and also condemn acts like this in the same way that most English people condemn the BNP scum. I think you will find that most people living in this country want the same things, nobody really wants our armies fighting losing battles in Muslim regions, nor do we really want the open door policy to new waves of immigrants, because of the lack of infrastructure in this country to cope with the burden, we all want to progress as a country and have a feeling of togetherness and unity that we can all be proud of no matter what race- but I suppose this will never happen if we deal with issues by protests and riots- it's just going to get worse, MUCH WORSE.

 

[Blackpool]

There is a prediction that there will be a civil war on the streets of Britain in the near future. Looking at what is going off despite Asians/Muslims being the minority I'm afraid to say that I wouldn't put money against it.
With the contribution of the media, the silence of muslims, and the extremism of some I seriously do feel it's brewing. The anger is there but at the moment there is no spark....yet.

 

[aadil77]

Theres going to be another one on sept 11 outside harrow central mosque, right after friday prayers,

they've timed it just right, they'll be looking to get a mosque full of muslims to come out and play

 

[Blackpool]

Theres going to be another one on sept 11 outside harrow central mosque, right after friday prayers,

they've timed it just right, they'll be looking to get a mosque full of muslims to come out and play

The EDL are now demonstrating in Manchester next month. It seems they've finished with Birmingham as they aim to go national.

 

[Amadeus85]

There is a prediction that there will be a civil war on the streets of Britain in the near future. Looking at what is going off despite Asians/Muslims being the minority I'm afraid to say that I wouldn't put money against it.
With the contribution of the media, the silence of muslims, and the extremism of some I seriously do feel it's brewing. The anger is there but at the moment there is no spark....yet.

I think that You are very wrong. There will be no civil war in England. In secular, liberal democracy muslims will gain more and more political power. They will become mayors (just like Rotterdam now has a muslim mayor), ministers, Your english Left already looks for muslim Obama in UK. Any anti muslim riot, be it BNP or EDL will be thrown against english police. English people fed with multiculturalism, liberalism and secularism will stay quiet in homes, because muslim ministers in goverment won't allow to hurt english muslims by any rioters. They will send your own, english police (of course multicultural) against you. I am a Pole, I dont wish you bad, moreover, I'm a fan of old, pre-60's England, fan of your english culture and achievments.( I hope that my copatriots in England dont bring shame on our country, as I know that many uneducated Poles come to UK nowadays). But You must realize that old England is gone, and the multiculturalism means that aliens will settle at your english ground, take over suburbs, towns and streets. In liberal, secular democratic England, Your country will stop being english in a natural, democratic way. But maybe Englishmen need big shock, to understand that secular- democratic illusion brings them nihility and the only answer it traditional, christian, 1000 year old system, which would make you all again feel like at home.

 

[Blackpool]

I certainly wouldn't bet against it from happening. A European Civil War is predicted to erupt by 2025 which you can google a few. It would be disastrous for both sides. Not enough is being done on the muslim side to combat extremism and coupled with the actions of some at the riots it will build up anger. There is always a limit to tolerance.

 

[Rabi'ya]

I just tried to view the videos but they have all been removed

 

[GuestFellow]

Theres going to be another one on sept 11 outside harrow central mosque, right after friday prayers,

they've timed it just right, they'll be looking to get a mosque full of muslims to come out and play

Oh great another one. >_>

Birmingham protests and brutality
I certainly wouldn't bet against it from happening. A European Civil War is predicted to erupt by 2025 which you can google a few. It would be disastrous for both sides. Not enough is being done on the muslim side to combat extremism and coupled with the actions of some at the riots it will build up anger. There is always a limit to tolerance.

Ah the government have taken many actions to combat extremists. They increased security measures at public transport, more awareness on the topic and we are keep being reminded so many times on the news, government authorities are keeping track on any terrorist activities that could likely to occur and so on. Even the Muslim community in Bristol stopped a dangerous youth from committing terrorist activities by reporting it to the police. What more do the people want?

Muslims are laypeople. They cannot combat against extremists practically. Majority of Muslims do not support extremists.

The September 11 attacks were condemned in the strongest terms by virtually all Islamic leaders, organizations, and countries. TheGrand Mufti of Saudi Arabia summarized that, "...hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."

We don't even hear what Muslims have to say about these events. The media is simply not interested. They rather create moral panic and get more publicity. It is the job of the police to combat against extremists. They have the expertise and resources to do so.