Allaah does say that:
{And @ when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. [/B][B][U]He was of the jinn[/U][/B][/I][I][B]..[/B][/I]}[al-Kahf; 50] It's explicit that Iblis [Satan] is of the Jinn and always was. He was never an angel, as angels are made of light and do not have free will and Iblis obviously had free will to be able to disobey the command to prostrate to Adam. Check this link: [URL]http://www.islamicboard.com/625250-post3.html[/URL] Please be wary of which books you're taking knowledge from as the quote from your book is incorrect. :w:[/quote] Ohh ok, make sense, jazakallah khair :statisfie [QUOTE="Eeman, post: 970857, member: 19252"]salam alaikum, dear sis that started this thread, i would like to ask you something are you actually being serious about this as in doing it to gain knowledge or just to mock? forgive if i am wrong but your responses back seemed a little sarcastic but yet again do forgive me if i am wrong and i ask Allah swt for forgiveness. matters of jinns and black magic are not matters to be taken in too lightly nor looked int too deep, its good to have full knowledge of it but at the same time one must understand that it is not a joke and not get led by the whispers of shaytaan and do things that will only wrong themselves for eternity. yes jinns do exist just like we humans exist, one form of Allah swt's created creatures, so do jinns and angels. manking is made out of clay, jinns smokeless fire, angels light. we are a part of what is apparent and seen, jinns and angels are a part of the ghaib (unseen).:blind: we were made superior to them, although they have abilities to do things that we wouldnt even imagine one example as in space travel but none the less they are Allah swt's inferior creatures compared to mankind. there are believing jinns and many disbelieving jinns which are referred to as the shayaatin. they are helpers of shaytaan iblis. the believing jinns are believed to be very few and most of them out of fear for being tortured by the disbelieving ones dont wander around or get upto much asthe shayaatin cos of course they fear earning the wrath of Allah swt, they pray like we do and praise and glorify the Almighty like we do. many of the shayaatin are believed to be of the christian faith, they reside in places like graveyards, old churches, anywhere dark and scary, near rubbish, run down places and many believe in toilets. thats why we are told to seek refuge in Allah swt when we enter the toilet. Fortune-tellers also operate through the Qareen. The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assigned to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constantly tries to divert us from righteousness. The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O' Messenger of Allah? And the Prophet replied: Even me, except that Allah has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good". Because the Qareen is with a person all his life, it knows all that has happened to the person from the cradle to the grave. By making contact with the Qareen, the fortune-teller is thus able to make out that it is he who knows about the person. He looks in his crystal ball or the palm of a person and proceeds to amaze him with knowledge which no one else knows. The severity of going to a fortune-teller is such that the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days or nights" and: "Whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammed" it is always advised to recite the 4 quls before going to sleep or at least once a day for protection. now where does black magic come into this, black magic is the name given to magic, not because it is black or done by a black person but cos it is evil. some pyschics go on about black magic nd white magic, black being bad white being good. well anyhow they are wrong all magic is wrong! it is a major sin and makes one almost a kafir. black magic is very very very common in islam, and to anyone surprise is mostly done by none other than the old pious people that we believe are true pious believers and go to for help and that claim cos they are from so and so descendants or Allah swt through their piety has blessed them with special powers errrrrrrrrrr... NO! they are the sahirs, who decieve people and get them to commit shirk, and what is shirk.... it is one of the biggest sins that can be committed in islam. if you are ever taken to a mulvi or a pious person for whatever reason, you may need help in and this guys starts to ask your name, your mothers name then Da..Daaaa! thats when you know that this person is a phoney decieving sahir, why cos these informations are what the jinns require. tawiz is a form of black magic a lot of people are fooled to think that this mulvi is writing surah's of the Qur'an in it and it is nothing but protection from Allah swt well your wrong my dears. firstly your not allowed to open the tawiz cos apparentlt it will no longer be effctive.... hmmmmm weird so how you supposed to know whats written in it. believe you me if you ever do open it then you will know what i mean cos somewhere in that piece of paper will be something weird. MARK MY WORDS!!! anyhow as a muslim we dont need materialistic things to be our form of protection, when i ask the mulvi for help he tells me what to recite and i do it myself. there is nothing between you and God so bringing barriers between God and yourself is only going to make matters worse for you. dua is the biggest weapon of the believer and Allah swt listens to all that supplicate to Him. Now as regards possession jinns possess you for many reasons. they might possess you cos your pakistani mother in law has done jaddu (black magic on you) they might possess you cos by mistake you have harmed them since they are unseen. they might possess you cos they have fallen in love with you. ok brother prince this is the reason why i qouted what you have said... there are symptoms to being possessed, you will be surprised that in many of the possession cases going mad is not the way of finding out if you are possessed. there are different symptoms and trust me, if ever God forbid anyone does they will know. i'll mention some symptoms: nightmares everynight, blackouts in perfect health, mood changes and NO im not talking about PMT everything u do is out of character and you just do not understand whats happened to you. laziness, as in major laziness especially towards doing good and salah. constant migraine and as i said many more if anyone wants specific list i'll provide them with it. in major cases you get the ones that brother prince said they go crazy, you get epileptic fits and loopyiness. not there have been cases where victims have been possessed by a jinn for 10 years, the only sympton apparent were pains in certain parts of the body, where the jinn had resided in, there was one woman that came to a muslim exorcist out of desperation since the doctors had no clue or could find any reason for the pain in her leg, the healer did the required ruqya none the less although at first he re adviced her to go back to the doctors but as it happened during the ruqya the jinn spoke out. now the way to get rid of jinns who have possessed humans is only through Qur'anic ruqya and must be done by a practising healer, cos it is not a joke and you need to know what you are doing. in minor cases it can be done yourself by simply constantly listening to certain surahs of the Qur'an and most importantly asking Allah swt in dua. I pray that Allah swt protects us from all the evil that He has created in His creation. This is a very good dua that i recite at least 5 times a day. I seek refuge in Allah from the rejected shaytaan In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful I seek refuge in the complete words of Allah from the evils of what he created, In the name of Allah through Whose name nothing on earth or in heaven can cause any harm, He is all Hearing, all Knowing Allah suffices me, ther is no God but He In Him i place my sole trust O Allah i seek refuge in you from the whisperings of satan My Lord i seek refuge in you from their presence around me I seek refuge in Allah's Glory and Power from the affliction and pain i experience and suffer from. ma salama.[/quote] lol nooo wayy im not mocking. i really wanted to have some answers. Jazakallah khair sis for ur reply :D [QUOTE="Hisbul_Aziz, post: 970879, member: 9308"]If this has not been already answer. The belief that iblis was a former angel named lucifer who rebelled against god is Christian beliefs as Allah has said For NONE are arrogant (before their Lord). They All fear their Lord, high above them, and they do ALL they are commanded. -- Sura 16:49-50 Further more, Jinns have a free will and may or may not obey Allah, but angels have no free will and always obey Allah. Therefore the question of an angel disobeying Allah does not arise. This further supplements that Iblis was a Jinn and not an angel. I believe this is a type of sufi theology Besides that Allah said in the Quran Jinn are created from fire of hot wind [Qur'an, 15:27] Also Aa’ishah reported: "The Messenger of Allah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘The angels are created from light, just as the jinn are created from smokeless fire and mankind is created from what you have been told about.’" (Reported by Muslim, no. 2996). Inshallah i've made things clearer And Allah (SWT) knows best Wasalamu3lakum[/quote] Yeh u have made things clearer. Jazakallah khair :statisfie [QUOTE="- Serene -, post: 970935, member: 5742"][COLOR=black]:salamext:[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]My viewpoint; there is no reason to be scared of Jinn or Black Magic being performed on you. At the end of the day, you should only fear Allaah, and seek refuge in Him alone.He created Jinn and only He can protect you from them.[/COLOR][/quote] Yh u shouldnt be scared of jinn...especially if u havent seen one its a bit hard to believe it exists :-[ and for black magic? :-[ lol how do you do it??? How you even do black magic??;
That is incorrect
72:26 "He (alone) knows the UNSEEN, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,-
omg look at what im turning into!
