Blasts at Sufi Shrine in Pakistan Kill at Least 35

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Religious leaders of the Barelvi sect in Pakistan have accused some top government officials in Punjab province of having contacts with the Taliban.
In a meeting with Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif the leaders demanded the resignation of at least one official, provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah.
The demand comes amid countrywide protests over a suicide attack in Lahore late last Thursday night.
Nearly 50 people were killed in the attack on a popular Sufi shrine.
'Contacts with terrorists' The Taliban, who are suspected of carrying out the attack, belong to the Deobandi school of Islam which opposes worship at shrines. Such worship is an important part of the faith of the majority Barelvis in Pakistan.
MAJOR MILITANT ATTACKS

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  • 1 July 2010 - 45 people killed in attack on Data Darbar shrine in Lahore
  • 28 May 2010 - 93 people killed in attacks on two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore
  • 19 Apr 2010 - At least 23 die in suicide bombing at market in Peshawar
  • 1 Jan 2010 - A bomb at a volleyball match kills about 100
  • 28 Oct 2009 - At least 120 die in car bomb attack on packed market in Peshawar
  • 15 Oct 2009 - About 40 die in a series of gun and bomb attacks
  • 9 Oct 2009 - At least 50 die in Peshawar suicide blast
Pakistani militants return to roots
The Taliban have targeted several shrines of Sufi saints in the country since 2009, apparently as part of a strategy to discourage people from visiting them.
Data Darbar in Lahore is the most popular of the shrines so far targeted.
The generally peace-loving Barelvi leaders have been calling for "armed retaliation" during protests over the weekend, while protesters have been seen brandishing guns, a rare sight in Barelvi gatherings.
"Rana Sanaullah's contacts with terrorists are most obvious, and he must resign," Haji Fazl-e-Karim, one of the Barelvi leaders, told the media after the meeting with the Punjab chief minister on Sunday.
He said the Barelvi leaders had also demanded tighter security at shrines and surveillance of some religious seminaries in the city.
Mr Sanaullah campaigned with a leader of the extremist group, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), in what is seen as an attempt to win votes during a recent by-election in the province.
Shahbaz Sharif, and his brother, opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, are also accused by some of failing to crack down on Taliban militants. The Sharifs deny the allegations.
Officials said that during Sunday's meeting, Chief Minister Sharif ordered a joint committee of government officials and Barelvi scholars to be set up to look into their "grievances" and to address "misunderstandings".
There was an outcry earlier this year when Shahbaz Sharif appealed to the Taliban not to attack targets in Punjab. He said his PML-N party and the militants shared common cause, having both opposed Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf.
In June it emerged that the Punjab government gave about $1m (£674,000) last year to institutions linked to the Jamaat-ud Dawa charity, which is on a UN terror blacklist.

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these stupid Barelvis, I abhor their shirk.
 
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He didn't asked to be worshiped after he died, so I don't know why the deceased has to have his gravesite blasted instead of being able to rest in peace. Did you know the blast was in the wudu area of the mosque? so apparently it was the Muslims that were targeted, not the shrine. You also shouln't accuse someone of shirk if you dont have direct proof, or else you will be punished in the Day of Judgment. How do you know that everyone of the people were committing shirk that were their? If you falsely accuse someone of shirk, that's a grave crime. Sounds like you are condoning the use of bombs to "teach" these people. Also non-combatants were killed such as children and I guess you are also happy about that?
 
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If they are so concerned about the shirk, why not use a bulldozer to remove the shrine when no one is their, instead of when everyone is their? That would be civilized way
 
nousername said:
If they are so concerned about the shirk, why not use a bulldozer to remove the shrine when no one is their, instead of when everyone is their? That would be civilized way
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No, the civilized way would be leave other people alone to practice their religion as they wish. If these psychopathic nutters are so worried about the shrines, they are under no obligation to go anywhere near them.
 
salaam

The irony is that pakistan has had the most terrorists attacks in the world this past few months. This is just one of the attacks, the media (especially in the west) should cover every terrorist attack that happens in pakistan, they should know whos realy losing out on the "war on terror". The truth is that pakistan is going to be the new Afgahnistan - its literally being destroyed as we speak by the wacko terrorists and the crazy government. An already messed up nation is about to get worse.

Another thing is that you should be very careful of shouting shirk, I'm sure the people that go to these shrines dont think they are commiting shirk

peace
 
Does anyone think pakistan and Afgahnistan is going to be worse then Somalia?
 
Trumble said:
No, the civilized way would be leave other people alone to practice their religion as they wish. If these psychopathic nutters are so worried about the shrines, they are under no obligation to go anywhere near them.
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i meant that if they were so "concerned" about the shirk and not hurting the muslims, then don't kill and maim the people. i don't think the shrine should be dismantled in my opinion
 
mad_scientist said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/world/asia/02pstan.html?_r=2


Apparently, hes one of the "biggest" Sufis. The question is if he has magical powers while dead, why couldnt he stop the blast at his own shrine?!!!!
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I wonder who's behind it? The terrorist Taliban and their chums from Blackwater, The same people you support.. Regardless if he (May Azzawajal be pleased with him) is a sufi or now, why dont you speak out against the bombing and condemn it?

SubhanaAllah, You show disrespect towards the deceased and mock the way of the sufis, The same sufis who do not blow them selves up and kill innocent people unlike the terrorists you support.

Allah Hu Akbar, The ones who carried out this attack are a disgrace to humanity, May Allah Azzawajal wipe these people out from this earth. Ameen
 
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Trumble said:
No, the civilized way would be leave other people alone to practice their religion as they wish. If these psychopathic nutters are so worried about the shrines, they are under no obligation to go anywhere near them.
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Thank you, Thank you. You are spot on and anyone who disagrees with this statement is indeed a bigot of the highest caliber
 
mad_scientist said:
these stupid Barelvis, I abhor their shirk.
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SubhanAllah, Shirk in what sense? You mean shirk according to your warped ideology and understanding

Allah Hu Akbar. No Muslim , Bralvi, or whatever commits shirk, Its only people like you who are intolerant of other sects, so much so that you lie and spread false accusations against them.

The fact that you posted this news, Mocked the sufis, and failed to condemn the acts says everything about you. People like you make me sick!

May Allah Azzawajal grant all the deceased ones Jannah. Ameen.
 
I dont agree with building structures over graves but if we are going to attck the sufis for doing so I think you need to begin with the Prophets (saw) grave, Khalid bin Waleed's grave and other early muslims that have structures over their graves today. Sufi's have some pretty different customs as i've seen in my homeland and they have many strange reasons for building structures over graves but I have never seen any worship the dead.
May Allah have mercy on the people who lost their lives. We muslims are far too numerous and diverse today for us to resort to blowing up people based on our differences.
Salam
 
nousername said:
He didn't asked to be worshiped after he died, so I don't know why the deceased has to have his gravesite blasted instead of being able to rest in peace. Did you know the blast was in the wudu area of the mosque? so apparently it was the Muslims that were targeted, not the shrine. You also shouln't accuse someone of shirk if you dont have direct proof, or else you will be punished in the Day of Judgment. How do you know that everyone of the people were committing shirk that were their? If you falsely accuse someone of shirk, that's a grave crime. Sounds like you are condoning the use of bombs to "teach" these people. Also non-combatants were killed such as children and I guess you are also happy about that?
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Did I say somewhere that I condone the bomb attack? Are you creating imaginary things and then refuting them? Seems to be the easy way out. I think this was a heinous crime. You are a liar for blaming me for being happy on death of children. Prophet Muhammad pbuh said that one sign of a munafiq is that he/she lies.
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Troubled Soul said:
SubhanAllah, Shirk in what sense? You mean shirk according to your warped ideology and understanding

Allah Hu Akbar. No Muslim , Bralvi, or whatever commits shirk, Its only people like you who are intolerant of other sects, so much so that you lie and spread false accusations against them.

The fact that you posted this news, Mocked the sufis, and failed to condemn the acts says everything about you. People like you make me sick!

May Allah Azzawajal grant all the deceased ones Jannah. Ameen.
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Yea if my ideology can be warped, how cant the Barelvi ideology be warped?

Which sufis did I mock? If "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri is really alive, why did not he save the visitor's from his grave from the attack? In fact this shows, "Hazrat" Ali Hajver is lying in his grave, powerless, and cant do anything to even stop bomb attacks on his grave. Let alone expecting him to cure cancer. But is not that the Barelvi aqeedah, the dead can listen and can help (by the will of Allah, only some Barelvi clerics add that clause).

Now since you have mentioned it, yea I have the right to mock Barelvi Sufis if Barelvi Sufis have the right to practice their sect. I have every Islamic right to mock superstitious quackery and grave worship. Anyone remembers that Voltage Mullah video who electrocutes anyone touching him.

How could the terrorists take the bombs while the metal detectors were in place?

How can you force me to "condemn the attack?" Is it my Islamic obligation? Is it in the 5 faraid to condemn and get involved in worldly talk? its sad to see so many human beings killed but one has to wonder why did they go to the annual ceremony on the grave? Perhaps if they had avoided being a part of this Biddah then Allah swt would have spared their lives. I pray to Allah that the kith and kin of those killed realize that "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri has no miraculous powers and he cannot save anyone, cure anyone ... if he did why couldnt he save their loved ones from this cowardly attack.
 
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Lisa0 said:
I dont agree with building structures over graves but if we are going to attck the sufis for doing so I think you need to begin with the Prophets (saw) grave, Khalid bin Waleed's grave and other early muslims that have structures over their graves today. Sufi's have some pretty different customs as i've seen in my homeland and they have many strange reasons for building structures over graves but I have never seen any worship the dead.
May Allah have mercy on the people who lost their lives. We muslims are far too numerous and diverse today for us to resort to blowing up people based on our differences.
Salam
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Not only sufis build structures but Qadianis as well. Many other sects do that too. Its common in Christianity as well. Saint worship and martyrdom.
 
nousername said:
If they are so concerned about the shirk, why not use a bulldozer to remove the shrine when no one is their, instead of when everyone is their? That would be civilized way
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Where did you pull the info that the bomb attack occurred because they wanted to remove the Shrine? LOL. Thats a funny way to look at the news, I gotta say that.
 
mad_scientist said:
Yea if my ideology can be warped, how cant the Barelvi ideology be warped?

Which sufis did I mock? If "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri is really alive, why did not he save the visitor's from his grave from the attack? In fact this shows, "Hazrat" Ali Hajver is lying in his grave, powerless, and cant do anything to even stop bomb attacks on his grave. Let alone expecting him to cure cancer. But is not that the Barelvi aqeedah, the dead can listen and can help (by the will of Allah, only some Barelvi clerics add that clause).

Now since you have mentioned it, yea I have the right to mock Barelvi Sufis if Barelvi Sufis have the right to practice their sect. I have every Islamic right to mock superstitious quackery and grave worship. Anyone remembers that Voltage Mullah video who electrocutes anyone touching him.

How could the terrorists take the bombs while the metal detectors were in place?

How can you force me to "condemn the attack?" Is it my Islamic obligation? Is it in the 5 faraid to condemn and get involved in worldly talk? its sad to see so many human beings killed but one has to wonder why did they go to the annual ceremony on the grave? Perhaps if they had avoided being a part of this Biddah then Allah swt would have spared their lives. I pray to Allah that the kith and kin of those killed realize that "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri has no miraculous powers and he cannot save anyone, cure anyone ... if he did why couldnt he save their loved ones from this cowardly attack.
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salaam

Hes clearly got a secterian bias - for this reason I think the Mods should intervene in this thread.
 
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