Blasts at Sufi Shrine in Pakistan Kill at Least 35

[CosmicPathos]

salaam

Hes clearly got a secterian bias - for this reason I think the Mods should intervene in this thread.

no I dont. As if you dont have a sectarian bias based on whatever sect you follow.

My issue is with lying to masses made of millions of Pakistani illiterate and innocent ppl that hazrat ali Hajveri will answer their prayers ..... so visit him and seek his blessing .... his blessing could not stop the bomb in his own shrine.

 

[Zafran]

no I dont. As if you dont have a sectarian bias based on whatever sect you follow.

My issue is with lying to masses made of millions of Pakistani illiterate and innocent ppl that hazrat ali Hajveri will answer their prayers ..... so visit him and seek his blessing .... his blessing could not stop the bomb in his own shrine.

salaam

You clearly havent read the rules of this forum. Lets wait for the mods.

 

[CosmicPathos]

salaam

You clearly havent read the rules of this forum. Lets wait for the mods.

avoiding questions? its a good tactic to censor genuine questions. My question has nothing to do with any sect! And that news abotu Barelvis blaming the Deobandis is right from BBC, I did not say anything from my own self. Just copied and pasted.

Why couldnt the shrine of Hazrat Ali Hajveri protect the visitor's from dying?

Mods, is that not a genuine question? It has no sectarian bias in it. I am asking a simple question.

 

[Zafran]

avoiding questions? its a good tactic to censor genuine questions. My question has nothing to do with any sect!

Why couldnt the shrine of Hazrat Ali Hajveri protect the visitor's from dying?

Mods, is that not a genuine question? It has no sectarian bias in it. I am asking a simple question.

salaam

My friend your talking about Tawassul - thats a grey area, five minutes ago you were screaming about Brevlis and then you went off a tangent about sufis - as I said re read the forum rules. For the mean time lets wait for the mods.

 

[CosmicPathos]

salaam

My friend your talking about Tawassul - thats a grey area, five minutes ago you were screaming about Brevlis and then you went off a tangent about sufis - as I said re read the forum rules. For the mean time lets wait for the mods.

Hey,

I didnt start talking about Barelvis. Troubled Soul did.

The point of this whole thread started by me was to see if Hazrat Ali Hajveri could save the people dying at his shrine or not. It has nothing to do with sectarian division. It just happens that Barelvis have blamed deobandis for it and I just felt that I should update this page. You do realize that some Deobandis also believe in tawassul?

I am not talking about any of that. The purpose of this thread was to ask you guys to prove if Hazrat Hajveri is really that powerful or if its all a myth.

 

[Zafran]

Hey,

I didnt start talking about Barelvis. Troubled Soul did.

The point of this whole thread started by me was to see if Hazrat Ali Hajveri could save the people dying at his shrine or not. It has nothing to do with sectarian division. It just happens that Barelvis have blamed deobandis for it and I just felt that I should update this page. You do realize that some Deobandis also believe in tawassul?

I am not talking about any of that. The purpose of this thread was to ask you guys to prove if Hazrat Hajveri is really that powerful or if its all a myth.

salaam

if thats your purpose then your on the wrong forum - this forum is called Islamicboard. By the way your the one who brought Brelvis up and Troubled Soul was replying to you - thats why he quoted you. As I said Tawassul is a grey area some scholars approve of it others dont.

peace

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Alllah (swt) did not set off the bomb. He took their lives way as it was their time. There is no excuse for someone to set a bomb like this, and say oh Allah (swt) would have spare their lives. We all have time ticking bomb, these people would have died of other means but their lives were taken away by bombs set up by people.

Omar cross the road and was hit by a car. If only he did not cross the road maybe Allah (swt) would spare his life. What logic can that be?

If omar just cross the road and took the driver by surprise, it wouldnt be the driver's fault. However if he driver was speeding, or was drunk it would be his fault completely.

We should absolutely condemn this attack, what excuse is there to justify such attack on people?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

But I completely agree with you, noone can save you when it is your time.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Alllah (swt) did not set off the bomb. He took their lives way as it was their time. There is no excuse for someone to set a bomb like this, and say oh Allah (swt) would have spare their lives. We all have time ticking bomb, these people would have died of other means but their lives were taken away by bombs set up by people.

Omar cross the road and was hit by a car. If only he did not cross the road maybe Allah (swt) would spare his life. What logic can that be?

If omar just cross the road and took the driver by surprise, it wouldnt be the driver's fault. However if he driver was speeding, or was drunk it would be his fault completely.

We should absolutely condemn this attack, what excuse is there to justify such attack on people?

No one justified the attack. Who is doing that? Rather I am asking the ppl here why couldnt Hazrat Hajveri prevent this heinous crime from taking place on his own turf if he has the magical powers and the blessing to heal people!

@ Zafran: you are not answering my question. Is that the tactic all Barelvi-supporters use?

 

[Woodrow]

Please everybody stay on topic and address the posts not the posters. While this is speaking about a sect, I personally do not see the issue as being sectarian. This was an act some of us may feel is horrific and others may see it as justified. Let us keep all discussion to facts and not dwell on the differences in practices.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Please everybody stay on topic and address the posts not the posters. While this is speaking about a sect, I personally do not see the issue as being sectarian. This was an act some of us may feel is horrific and others may see it as justified. Let us keep all discussion to facts and not dwell on the differences in practices.

jazkaAllah br Woodrow.


To others: My question still stands. Without resorting to any sectarian belief, people were visiting the shrine because they believed the Saint can protect them, heal them, given them blessings. We all agree on that, right? These people could be from any sects, I do not care.

My question is then why could not the Saint prevent such a terrible terrible crime ....

 

[Trumble]

My question is then why could not the Saint prevent such a terrible terrible crime ....

Here's a possible answer, then. He could have prevented it, but chose not to either because it somehow benefitted those killed and maimed, or for mysterious, incomprehensible reasons of his own. Sound familiar?

Now, with that out of the way, you might want to reflect on what the really important questions are that should be asked in connection with this atrocity.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Here's a possible answer, then. He could have prevented it, but chose not to either because it somehow benefitted those killed and maimed, or for mysterious, incomprehensible reasons of his own. Sound familiar?

Now, with that out of the way, you might want to reflect on what the really important questions are that should be asked in connection with this atrocity.

no, but the saint is not all power-ful. He always helps people. He has no eternal knowledge. So that argument cannot be applied.

 

[titus]

no, but the saint is not all power-ful. He always helps people. He has no eternal knowledge. So that argument cannot be applied.

I am not sure how it works with this group, but in Christianity people don't ask the Saint themselves to help. They ask the Saint to intervene for them with God. The Saint does not do anything, he only asks God to do things. God decides whether to do them or not.

Regardless, it does seem strange that after a horrific incident like this you want to start a thread ridiculing the beliefs of the people that were killed and not the beliefs of the people doing the killing.

 

[Woodrow]

I am not sure how it works with this group, but in Christianity people don't ask the Saint themselves to help. They ask the Saint to intervene for them with God. The Saint does not do anything, he only asks God to do things. God decides whether to do them or not.

Regardless, it does seem strange that after a horrific incident like this you want to start a thread ridiculing the beliefs of the people that were killed and not the beliefs of the people doing the killing.

I believe now is a good time to look carefully at those responsible for this act and evaluate if actions like this support Islam or are anti-Islamic in themselves. Innocents were killed, this was not a physical threat nor an act of aggression against Islam, if those killed were in error was this a proper method of correcting their errors?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

No one justified the attack. Who is doing that? Rather I am asking the ppl here why couldnt Hazrat Hajveri prevent this heinous crime from taking place on his own turf if he has the magical powers and the blessing to heal people!

@ Zafran: you are not answering my question. Is that the tactic all Barelvi-supporters use?

Why do you need to ask such question? The question doesn’t alter the horrendous act does it? What benefits does your question have?

Answer to your question was already answered.

noone can save you when it is your time.

I see no benefits to your question at all.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Why do you need to ask such question? The question doesn’t alter the horrendous act does it? What benefits does your question have?

Answer to your question was already answered.



I see no benefits to your question at all.

Just because you dont see the benefit, I shouldnt ask it? Who are you to dictate what I should ask and what I shouldnt? Quite frankly, if I was the one saying that to you, you'd be furious all over and arguing for women rights and saying how women are not allowed to speak in Pakistan, and all that hoop-la.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I am not sure how it works with this group, but in Christianity people don't ask the Saint themselves to help. They ask the Saint to intervene for them with God. The Saint does not do anything, he only asks God to do things. God decides whether to do them or not.

Regardless, it does seem strange that after a horrific incident like this you want to start a thread ridiculing the beliefs of the people that were killed and not the beliefs of the people doing the killing.

to be honest, there are 999999 million websites that are condemning the attacks. I do not see the reason to make my thread to follow the bandwagon. I am asking a question regarding the beliefs of those people visiting the grave, and who survived the attack (they are alive!). The beliefs of the person or persons who did the attack have been ridiculed enough in the world that I did not see a reason to invest my energy in that as well (we shouldnt reinvent the wheel again and again, right).


NOTE: this thread is not about justifying any sort of criminal actions for even the weirdest of theological beliefs. Even if people were drinking cow's piss, no one would have the right to kill them. This thread is about trying to penetrate into the beliefs of those who were attacked.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Just because you dont see the benefit, I shouldnt ask it? Who are you to dictate what I should ask and what I shouldnt? Quite frankly, if I was the one saying that to you, you'd be furious all over and arguing for women rights and saying how women are not allowed to speak in Pakistan, and all that hoop-la.

Let be honest here, you are asking such “beneficial” question as a mean of gloating that people died which they cannot be saved. Otherwise why would you ask such obvious question?
What kind of question was that though? When your time is up, it is up. No one can save you.

 

[Zafran]

Let be honest here, you are asking such “beneficial” question as a mean of gloating that people died which they cannot be saved. Otherwise why would you ask such obvious question?
What kind of question was that though? When your time is up, it is up. No one can save you.

salaam

I'll second that.

peace