Blasts at Sufi Shrine in Pakistan Kill at Least 35

[IslamicRevival]

Yea if my ideology can be warped, how cant the Barelvi ideology be warped?

Which sufis did I mock? If "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri is really alive, why did not he save the visitor's from his grave from the attack? In fact this shows, "Hazrat" Ali Hajver is lying in his grave, powerless, and cant do anything to even stop bomb attacks on his grave. Let alone expecting him to cure cancer. But is not that the Barelvi aqeedah, the dead can listen and can help (by the will of Allah, only some Barelvi clerics add that clause).

Now since you have mentioned it, yea I have the right to mock Barelvi Sufis if Barelvi Sufis have the right to practice their sect. I have every Islamic right to mock superstitious quackery and grave worship. Anyone remembers that Voltage Mullah video who electrocutes anyone touching him.

How could the terrorists take the bombs while the metal detectors were in place?

How can you force me to "condemn the attack?" Is it my Islamic obligation? Is it in the 5 faraid to condemn and get involved in worldly talk? its sad to see so many human beings killed but one has to wonder why did they go to the annual ceremony on the grave? Perhaps if they had avoided being a part of this Biddah then Allah swt would have spared their lives. I pray to Allah that the kith and kin of those killed realize that "Hazrat" Ali Hajveri has no miraculous powers and he cannot save anyone, cure anyone ... if he did why couldnt he save their loved ones from this cowardly attack.

Everyone sect has its good and bad points, The fact that you mock the Sufis/Bralvis and support the bombing shows you are an intolerant, extreme individual. Alhamdulillah, I'm a Muslim and i dont like it when people like you try to cause disunity amongst the Muslim ummah by lambasting other sects. Leave them be to do what they want, who are you to scream 'SHIRK' 'SHIRK'? You are not the judge, Allah SWT is so keep that mouth of yours sealed as on the day of judgement everything will be clear, There is no need for ignorant laymen like you to spread lies and false propoganda against their own fellow Muslims.

As for your comments on Hazrat Ali Hajveri (May Allah Azzawajal Grant Him Jannah) not stopping the bombing), I just have to laugh at your response, It really takes the biscuit, Your understanding of the bralwi aqeedah is poor. Pure ignorance of the highest order. Who says He (May Allah Azzawajal Grant him Jannah) can cure cancer? Who worships graves? AstaghfirAllah, What you are saying is a pile of rubbish

No one is forcing you to condemn the act, I would have thought and sane human being, with a heart would have at least condemned the attacks straight up instead of beating around the bush. I would expect this sort of response from a terrorist Taliban supporter, and as you are one, Im not surprised by your deceitfulness in creating this thread about a suicide blast then bashing Sufis for what they believe in.

why did they go to the annual ceremony on the grave Perhaps if they had avoided being a part of this Biddah then Allah swt would have spared their lives.?

Another example of your intolerance, How can you to justify the bombing??

Who are you to even question them? Your second comment quoted, is as disgusting as they come. You claim they are taking part in Bidah yet you are supporting an organisation which Kills innocent people, Even their own fellow MUSLIMS by using cheap tactics IE HARAM SUICIDE attacks?

Allah Hu Akbar, You can point fingers all you want but remember, when you throw around false accusations, theres always ten fingers pointing back at you

 

[IslamicRevival]

Hey,

I didnt start talking about Barelvis. Troubled Soul did..

Really? Read post number 2 you clown

these stupid Barelvis, I abhor their shirk.

 

[IslamicRevival]

... I want these illiterate Pakistanis to question the clerical leeches who are sucking them into this hell-hole of superstition, quackery, magic, and delusion .

Illiterate Pakistanis? Just because you do not agree with their views they are now illiterate according to you? If there is an intolerant bigot on this forum, Its you

 

[Maryan0]

Please everybody stay on topic and address the posts not the posters. While this is speaking about a sect, I personally do not see the issue as being sectarian. This was an act some of us may feel is horrific and others may see it as justified. Let us keep all discussion to facts and not dwell on the differences in practices.

I respectfully disagree I believe this topic is very secretarian and in poor taste since muslim people died. There is no difference in opinion in someone blowing up innocent people. It's wrong and should be condemned as such. The issue of barelvi's whom i've never heard of could have been it's own topic not tied to people dying.
Salam

 

[Trumble]

no, but the saint is not all power-ful. He always helps people. He has no eternal knowledge. So that argument cannot be applied.

'Eternal knowledge' is not required to have motives uncomprehensible to humans, only more knowledge than humans could have. I would have thought that was obviously the case here. Quite apart from which (as you are necessarily implying that God chose not to prevent this massacre because of such eternal knowledge), as you believe God to be omnipotent there is no reason at all He could not 'over-rule' or prevent any action to change events the presumably less-than-omnipotent saint may have taken.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Illiterate Pakistanis? Just because you do not agree with their views they are now illiterate according to you? If there is an intolerant bigot on this forum, Its you

You want me to tolerate shirk? Is that what Quran teaches you? To tolerate shirk? Did Muhammad pbuh tolerate Kufr? Or lies? Or deception? As his follower, I also dont tolerate those things. I also dont tolerate homosexuals. And everything that Islam is intolerant to. If that pisses you off then evaluate your allegiance, is it to Allah or your whims and desires?

You seem to be really deluded. I never justified the murder of these people. I mentioned a rational and logical alternative that if they were not doing Bidah, perhaps they wont be at the shrine. This DOES NOT MEAN I AM JUSTIFYING THE ATTACK. It was YOU and LISA who started mentioning "ooh thats not the way to destroy a shrine." Duh, who is talking about supporting the destruction of a Shrine? As I mentioned previously, even killing a PHALLUS WORSHIPPER would be HARAM. DONT CREATE LIES ABOUT ME.

Unlike you, I would not, however, call you a bigot.

I am done with some of the narrow-minded individuals on this thread. Good day.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Really? Read post number 2 you clown

are you being entertained from my job as a clown? If yes then I am doing my job well.

 

[Woodrow]

I respectfully disagree I believe this topic is very secretarian and in poor taste since muslim people died. There is no difference in opinion in someone blowing up innocent people. It's wrong and should be condemned as such. The issue of barelvi's whom i've never heard of could have been it's own topic not tied to people dying.
Salam

Looking back, I have to agree and acknowledge my error in not considering this a sectarian discussion. On that basis:

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