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This news item comes from smh.com.au but i have been reliably informed that not many of their news reports are true , has anyone seen these reports anywhere else

July 17, 2009 - 12:13PM
Police say bombs have exploded at two hotels in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, killing at least four foreigners.
South Jakarta police Colonel Firman Bundi says the bodies have been taken to a hospital.
The facade of the Ritz-Carlton hotel was blown off in one blast this morning and another explosion hit the Marriott hotel, police said.
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Debris and shattered glass littered the street outside the neighbouring hotels in an upscale Jakarta neighbourhood and ambulances raced to the scene.
A man jogging by the hotels said he first heard a loud explosion at the Marriott. Five minutes later, a bomb followed at the Ritz.
Alex Asmasubrata said he saw four bodies inside the Marriott. An Associated Press reporter saw three injured people taken away from the Ritz.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bombs-explode-at-jakarta-hotels-20090717-dnkd.html
 
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Jakarta, Indonesia. July 17, 2009.

A low explosive bomb was exploded in JW marriot hotel, Jakarta at 07.40 am. Few minutes later second bomb was exploded in Airlangga Restaurant in Ritz Carlton Hotel, around 50 metres from JW marriot.

A witness, Greg Woolstencroft was in apartment near those hotels when bombs were exploded. He ran to Ritz Carlton and saw one dead body that suspected as the bomber and few wounded victims.
Another witness, a former car racer, Alex Asmasubrata was jogging when he heard first explosion. He walked to JW marriot, and suddenly he heard second explosion from Ritz Carlton.

At least nine were killed in 17 July, including four foreigners.
All victims were evacuated to Jakarta Hospital, Metropolitan Medical Centre, Medistra Hospital and Pertamina Hospital.

After explosions police found an unexploded low explosive bomb in JW marriot. One bomber was identified as Nurdin Azis. He stayed in room 1808 JW marriot hotel since 15 July.

Head of PR dept Indonesian Police Headquarter, Inspector General Nanan Soekarna said one bomber was asked by hotel security guard when hotel's metal detector was sounding beep, beep.
"Is that laptop ?" ask the guard.
"Yes" said the bomber.
Then the guard let him pass.


This is the video of one (suspected) bomber and when second bomb was exploded in Ritz Carlton. (courtesy of TV One)
Warning : Shocking Video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kdgv4lIdx8
 
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I was actually very close to the JW Marriott when the bomb exploded. I was doing my morning work out routine at the gym in a building next to the JW Marriott hotel and was running on the treadmill when I heard the explosion and felt the shockwave. I immediately thought "this is a bomb" because the feeling reminded me of what it was when the very powerful car bomb exploded in front of the Australian embassy around five years ago.
I ran to the window and I could see some smoke but couldn't quite see what really caused it. Afterwards we were told to evacuate immediately because they were concerned for another explosion.
Alhamdulillah me and my friends who work in surrounding buildings are safe.
 
Actually, a number of luxury rooms including presidential suite in Ritz Carlton hotel have reserved for Manchester United FC.

According to the plan, MU will comes to Indonesia on 18 July, and they will play in friendly game with Indonesian All Star in 'Gelora Bung Karno' stadium on 20 July. This friendly game is sponsored by a mobile phone operator, Hutchison 'Three'.

After the bombing case, MU decide to cancel their tour in Indonesia. MU's CEO David Gill said that on press conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Sir Alex Ferguson says they must protect their football player.
 
These guys are affecting every part of the muslim world
 
No one has claimed responsibilty,they say the hotel secuirity is top notch but allah knows only how these guys managed to get a red carpet treatment into the hotel
 
I don't understand where did they got the idea to harm others. It is not taught in religious sources so, unless they give their own interpretation to harm others because they can't find appropriate teachers like what had been written in "certain websites" that Islam promotes this "bad deeds" that "bad deeds". They already had harmed other Muslims who will receive hatred treatments in majority non-Muslim countries if they are really Muslims.
 
Abdullahii said:
No one has claimed responsibilty,they say the hotel secuirity is top notch but allah knows only how these guys managed to get a red carpet treatment into the hotel
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I can testify, having been to both hotels quite a few times, that the security in both hotels are second to none. However, it has now been established that the suspect suicide bombers stayed in JW Marriott (room 1808) since 15/7 and apparently smuggled equipments and materials separately and built the bombs in the room over 2 days.

The bombers also did their research very well, obviously knew that the hotels are popular with foreigners especially americans, having the best security in any hotels in Indonesia, if not the world. They also must have known that the hotels are going to host the Manchester United team and the Indonesian national team in a couple of days, so the publicity impact is much greater.
 
malayloveislam said:
I don't understand where did they got the idea to harm others. It is not taught in religious sources so, unless they give their own interpretation to harm others because they can't find appropriate teachers like what had been written in "certain websites" that Islam promotes this "bad deeds" that "bad deeds". They already had harmed other Muslims who will receive hatred treatments in majority non-Muslim countries if they are really Muslims.
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Many of the victims, killed and injured, are muslims!
 
Abdullahii said:
The person carrying the bomb looks weird?
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Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe he is not the bomber.
Police says this case is suicide bombing. Actually, on 17/7 police found seven complete dead bodies, one body without head and one woman head without body. At first time, number of dead victims was eight, and later became nine because that woman head is not appropriate with the headless body. Now police still looking for her body. But I can't say one of bomber is this woman.

Latest information. Nurdin Azis, a man who suspected as suicide bomber known as Nurhasbi. He stayed in JW marriot with three other men. But, no further information about the man in video. I don't know yet, is he Nurhasbi ?.
 
This is the al-qaeda ideology, fight like madmen not caring who or what gets in your way. They need to ask themselves, why are they bombing hotels in Indonesia? Why are the killing innocent people? Because the hotel is Western? The negative influences of the west is bad yes and has been partially reponsible for our failures but when we have this kind of reactionary response by Al-Qaeda type figures then what do we do?
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bil_sal said:
This is the al-qaeda ideology, fight like madmen not caring who or what gets in your way. They need to ask themselves, why are they bombing hotels in Indonesia? Why are the killing innocent people? Because the hotel is Western? The negative influences of the west is bad yes and has been partially reponsible for our failures but when we have this kind of reactionary response by Al-Qaeda type figures then what do we do?
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I can't say al-qaeda is the main backer, although Nurhasbi is a member of jamiah-islamiah, a group that suspected has a link to al-qaeda.

Why they kill innocent people, or in exactly western people ?
That's because if they kill only Indonesian people, their action will not becomes headlines in other countries's mass media.

In every case like this in Indonesia, the bombers usually a naive people who came from village. They are easy to urged and tricked by someone. i.e they indoctrinated as jihadis and jannah is waiting for them if they die in suicide bombing action. Behind the bomber is the backer, behind the backer is next backer, behind next backer is another backer. This is a multi level organization. But who is on the top ?. I don't know.

They have no jobs like our jobs, that's means they have no income. But they always have money for their actions. And, where is the money comes from ?. I don't think that is from al-qaeda.
 
Whether it was Al Qai'da or not, its wrong to detonate such powerful explosives in the knowledge that it will result in the indiscriminate murder of innocent people, including Muslims.

This is what has cost the Muslim world its credibility in the world, and such actions will only further entrench misconceptions about Islam. It deters tourists who are vital to the Indonesian economy, and the lack of tourism based opportunities means fewer jobs for the people who then become susceptible to indoctrination by militant organizations.

Its one thing to engage in battle an occupation force in your country, its quite another to engage in the kind of mass murder of innocents that only rank barbarians can take any sort of pleasure in.
 
Ardianto, i see the point you're making about the lack of economic opportunities afforded to these destitute people, and their resort to violence. Maybe this is a critical problem that the government has overlooked and in their failure to redress such an important issue and focus more on urbanized classes contributed to fomenting this unchecked militant activity.
 
It is now speculated (or verfied?) that the group called Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) are the ones responsible for this attack.


Astagfirullah, what kind of people can go and do this? All these attacks and innocent ones dying, I can't see what there is to pride about if they do so. The world's situation is just disgusting.
 
No matter who are the bombers and who are behind the bombers, kill innocent people is absolutely wrong.

There are many proofs the bombers are Muslims but they have done an action that against Islam way. I am agree with many ulamas who say "Those bombers are enemies of Islam", because their action gave bad qonsequence for Muslims and for Indonesia.

This is not the first bombing case in Indonesia, even this is not the first bombing case in JW marriot hotel Jakarta, but I hope this is the last.
 
Could it be the same group of perpertrators as the other ones .

As uncovered by the investigations of Abu Bakar Bashir ,from Indonesia’s Java island.who said that the US intelligence agency used micro-nuclear bombs. The bombs were made by the CIA, it could be no one else,”
He said the attacks were a conspiracy between “America, Australia and the Jews” .

So could be that they are at it again , even under Obama's watch.
 
It's a very sad thing that Malaysians are involved in this terrorist attacks...

Our prayers are with you people in Indonesia..
 
Skye Exmarine said:
As uncovered by the investigations of Abu Bakar Bashir ,from Indonesia’s Java island.who said that the US intelligence agency used micro-nuclear bombs. The bombs were made by the CIA, it could be no one else,”
He said the attacks were a conspiracy between “America, Australia and the Jews” .
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I have read his comment regarding to this bombing case, and he didn't say anything about micro-nuclear or conspiracy between "America, Australia and the Jews".

I don't defend Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, but there is no proof he is a man behind bombing cases in Indonesia, although one of 'actors' behind '2002 Bali Blast', Amrozy, was his student.