bombs have exploded at two hotels Jakarta,

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ardianto said:
I have read his comment regarding to this bombing case, and he didn't say anything about micro-nuclear or conspiracy between "America, Australia and the Jews".

I don't defend Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, but there is no proof he is a man behind bombing cases in Indonesia, although one of 'actors' behind '2002 Bali Blast', Amrozy, was his student.
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Agence France Presse


AFP Agence France Press appear to be the ones who originated this story
and on sold it to general media outlets ..
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...Indonesian-cleric-blames-CIA-for-Bali-bombing

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hCtwxVe8_MOfjTgSEzTeAFb7vjdQ


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
 
Skye Exmarine said:
Agence France Presse


AFP Agence France Press appear to be the ones who originated this story
and on sold it to general media outlets ..
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...Indonesian-cleric-blames-CIA-for-Bali-bombing

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hCtwxVe8_MOfjTgSEzTeAFb7vjdQ


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
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These articles are regarding to 'Bali Blast', a bombing case that happened in 2002. But in 'JW Marriot-Ritz' Carlton bombing', Abu Bakar Ba'asyir didn't say anything about mikro nuke or conspiracy between America, Australia and Jews.

According to Indonesian police, the planner of this case maybe is a Malaysian, Noordin M Top. But police still need more evidences.

There were some bombing cases in Indonesia, and not every case related to another case.
 
north_malaysian said:
As a Malaysian, I really hate this guy...:raging:
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We are sorry if we offend you or Malaysian people.
We know he is not representative of Malaysian people, he represents himself. Even his men are Indonesians.

Do you know, brother ? for many Indonesians, Malaysian is not foreigner but family who lives in another house. That's why I was very sad when I heard a Malaysian from northern province said "We are not brother of Indonesian, but we are brother of southern Thailand Muslims. Malaysian and Indonesian people who have family relation is only Johor and Riau". imsad
 
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I don't understand what is the problem of Nordin M Top. His act only causing Muslims problem and those who live in the Western countries will end up being victimized by ignorant or when we have to visit certain Western countries, we will be suspected with thousands of nonsense suspicions. If say he dreams of a united Muslim nation, bombing and killing others is not the way. We too have that dream, to live in Islamic environment and releasing those Muslims oppressed around the world, but bombing, slaughtering, and killing is still not the way. We should strengthen our economic ties and deepening our knowledge in Islam beginning from basic things to above, that is among the answers.

I'm so sorry about northern province people in Malaysia statement. Well, actually those in North-West Coast have connection with Muslim Achehnese. Also Muslim Achehnese from Pasai are among those who responsible in preaching Islam to Southern Thais, they were given a piece of land, known as Kampong Melayu by the king while he is still a Buddhist. There are also Banjarese who were invited by our royal palace to teach religious knowledge during the war with Siam empire around 18th C, those people are with Arab ancestry and were given lands in the kingdom.

The reason why we claim similarity with Southern Thais is that previously we have a nationalistic dream where we wanted to establish our ancient kingdom again. It is the kingdom of Langkasuka which actually covers Southern Thai, Northern Malaysia, and Eastern Coast of Malaysia but when Western Imperialism crept in, the idea had been stopped from being implemented. Our people too had helped them when they face war with Siam. Even they had already conquered Bangkok around 17th C. However the real thing that brought us around the world together is Islam. Islam has no boundary like a nation build through nationalistic approach :statisfie.
 
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ardianto said:
"We are not brother of Indonesian, but we are brother of southern Thailand Muslims. Malaysian and Indonesian people who have family relation is only Johor and Riau". imsad
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Religiously, we're brothers with Indonesians ... but culturally .. we're closer to the Thais...
 
malayloveislam said:
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I don't understand what is the problem of Nordin M Top. His act only causing Muslims problem and those who live in the Western countries will end up being victimized by ignorant or when we have to visit certain Western countries, we will be suspected with thousands of nonsense suspicions. If say he dreams of a united Muslim nation, bombing and killing others is not the way. We too have that dream, to live in Islamic environment and releasing those Muslims oppressed around the world, but bombing, slaughtering, and killing is still not the way. We should strengthen our economic ties and deepening our knowledge in Islam beginning from basic things to above, that is among the answers.
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I dont think Muslims (in both Indonesia and Malaysia) would support this group... they killed innocent people...

malayloveislam said:
The reason why we claim similarity with Southern Thais is that previously we have a nationalistic dream where we wanted to establish our ancient kingdom again. It is the kingdom of Langkasuka which actually covers Southern Thai, Northern Malaysia, and Eastern Coast of Malaysia but when Western Imperialism crept in, the idea had been stopped from being implemented. Our people too had helped them when they face war with Siam. Even they had already conquered Bangkok around 17th C. However the real thing that brought us around the world is Islam. Islam has no boundary like a nation build through nationalistic approach :statisfie.
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We just want to re-discover and revive our forgotten culture... but we will still remain as Muslims... there are millions of ethnic Thais who are Muslims too..
 
I think Muslims in South Thai should play their role in preaching Islam to non-Muslim Thais although their position in Thailand is a mistake of history. They should reverse the mistake to the positive, in spreading peace (salam) to others. I have several Muslim Thai friends in the varsity but what makes me feel irritated is that they did not show what is Islam to their Buddhist friends.

I also have few Buddhist Thai friends and I have to use the approach of Wali Songo when talking to them. I would like to express my gratefulness to Indonesian scholars for introducing Wali Songo to us. Those Buddhists especially from South although sharing the same ancestry with us are actually very stern Buddhist. I have to use classical texts like Ramakien (Ramayana) when talking to them. I don't really favor those texts and I tried to avoid Shirk as much as I can, but we can't teach them like "why are you talking about Buddha?? It's Bap (Papa/Dosa/Sinful)." We have to go slowly and be patient with them like what our ancestors were taught before by Muslim Arab missionaries. One of my Buddhist friend had complained about this when he talk to me. But he said that when he talk with me, he don't feel so tense.
 
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malayloveislam said:
I think Muslims in South Thai should play their role in preaching Islam to non-Muslim Thais although their position in Thailand is a mistake of history. They should reverse the mistake to the positive, in spreading peace (salam) to others. I have several Muslim Thai friends in the varsity but what makes me feel irritated is that they did not show what is Islam to their Buddhist friends.

I also have few Buddhist Thai friends and I have to use the approach of Wali Songo when talking to them. I would like to express my gratefulness to Indonesian scholars for introducing Wali Songo to us. Those Buddhists especially from South although sharing the same ancestry with us are actually very stern Buddhist. I have to use classical texts like Ramakien (Ramayana) when talking to them. I don't really favor those texts and I tried to avoid Shirk as much as I can, but we can't teach them like "why are you talking about Buddha?? It's Bap (Papa/Dosa/Sinful)." We have to go slowly and be patient with them like what our ancestors were taught before by Muslim Arab missionaries. One of my Buddhist friend had complained about this when he talk to me. But he said that when he talk with me, he don't feel so tense.
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I've seen documentary about Islam in Thailand (Syahadah on TV1, Ramadan few years back)... they have da'wa centers where ethnic Thais and Chinese converted to Islam in Bangkok.
 
north_malaysian said:
Religiously, we're brothers with Indonesians ... but culturally .. we're closer to the Thais...
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I understand, and honestly, I'm agree with you.
But I hope Malaysians never have objection if an Indonesian (Usually in TV program) call negeri/bangsa serumpun to Malaysia.

I have meet Malaysian, Singapore Malay and Bruneis in my city, and I never feel they are foreigners.
 
ardianto said:
I understand, and honestly, I'm agree with you.
But I hope Malaysians never have objection if an Indonesian (Usually in TV program) call negeri/bangsa serumpun to Malaysia.
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no problem... but if you know any Indonesians living in Malaysia, please ask them to be active in the local mosque and community activities to avoid discriminations... in our local surau, the Bangladeshis and Egyptians are actively involved.

ardianto said:
I have meet Malaysian, Singapore Malay and Bruneis in my city, and I never feel they are foreigners.
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My friends visited Bali last year and said that the Balinese prefer to entertain Malaysians than entertaining bule (white) people
 
I had seen many documentaries about Balinese. Strangely, I found that they speak Malay quite similar to those formal Malay spoken in our place compared to those in Jakarta.

We also have to shift to formal Malay when talking to others especially those from South like native ethnics in Indonesia have to shift to bahasa Indonesia when talking to others as we also have our own provincial languages. If not using the pronunciation of "e" sempit for the last vowel of certain words, we will at least use the "a" vowel like those Balinese and changing words. I thought that they are strongly related to Javanese, so I thought that their spoken Malay might have some Javanese influence, but it is in the opposite, they speak Malay lightly.

My father had visited Bali, he talked with a supir, and when he asked the supir, what is your ethnicity, because he feel strange that there are still Hindu natives and he had never met people like that before. The supir then answered, kami bangsa hindu, pak... In our country, the image that carved in our mind is that, the Tamils as hindus because majority of them are hindus. Actually we call Indians as hindu.
 
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For Malaysian. When you visit Bali and you want to buy souvenirs, don't forget to inform the trader, you are Malaysian. You can get special prize, no matter your ethnic, Malay, Chinese or Indian.

There are two group of Balinese Hindus people.
First, Bali Aga. They are origin people of Bali.
Second, Bali Majapahit. They were Javanese Hindus from Majapahit kingdom who escaped to Bali in early 16th century after Islam came to Java island.
 
ardianto said:
For Malaysian. When you visit Bali and you want to buy souvenirs, don't forget to inform the trader, you are Malaysian. You can get special prize, no matter your ethnic, Malay, Chinese or Indian.
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I've checked the travelling prices offer by tour agencies, going to Bali is cheaper than Jakarta... and Bali is more far than Jakarta.. I wonder why... If I'm not mistaken there are offer as low as less than RM200.00 for a 3D/2N in Bali.

ardianto said:
There are two group of Balinese Hindus people.
First, Bali Aga. They are origin people of Bali.
Second, Bali Majapahit. They were Javanese Hindus from Majapahit kingdom who escaped to Bali in early 16th century after Islam came to Java island.
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I've read somewhere that there are Muslim Balinese living on the western side of the island... their villages have no candi (Hindu shrines) and Hari Nyepi was not imposed on these Muslim villages...
 
north_malaysian said:
I've checked the travelling prices offer by tour agencies, going to Bali is cheaper than Jakarta... and Bali is more far than Jakarta.. I wonder why... If I'm not mistaken there are offer as low as less than RM200.00 for a 3D/2N in Bali.
That is not including airfare, of course. And maybe not including tour. Tour is optional.


I've read somewhere that there are Muslim Balinese living on the western side of the island... their villages have no candi (Hindu shrines) and Hari Nyepi was not imposed on these Muslim villages...
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I think you read an article about Muslim village. Other Muslims are living in Hindu's area, and I hear they have good relationship with their Hindus neighbor.
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Is it really RM200? That's soooooo cheap!!! I want to visit Bali too. It's not fun only listening about others' experience. I want to make some research about Hindu customs there for additional knowledge and enjoying the beauty of their natural and scenic environment. I'm already familiar with Buddhist culture around our area which is also inter-twined with ancient Hinduism.

Oh yeah, I heard somewhere about Terengganese village in Bali or somewhere in Maluku. That is interesting.
 

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