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You seem obsessed with this passport.
When something that comical makes it to a court of law, you have to take notice no? should we sweep the passport under the rug because it is oh so embarrassing?


Which, to you, is more unbelievable: that a passport survived a plane wreck, or that a passport did not survive a plane wreck?
non questions merit non answers!


If you are claiming that some ID surviving a plane crash is evidence of the US or Israel being behind a cover up of the wreck then those countries must be behind every single plane wreck I am aware of.
What are you ranting about this time? Don't pose inane Q's and offer a poorly sardonic replies in the same breath if you're actually interested in a dialogue.. which obviously you're not!

best,
 
Actually it was a very simple question. You seem to be under the impression that a passport surviving a plane wreck not plausible and is a sign of a conspiracy, I was simply asking a question to see if that was the case.

The fact that you evaded answering it tells me all I need to know.
 
Actually it was a very simple question. You seem to be under the impression that a passport surviving a plane wreck not plausible and is a sign of a conspiracy, I was simply asking a question to see if that was the case.

The fact that you evaded answering it tells me all I need to know.
I don't subscribe to conspiracies. That's your answer for the tough questions, just sweep anything you can't explain with logic under a catch all term. Secondly what you know or don't know is utterly inconsequential to me. You're a complete none entity in my book, your beliefs, wants, hopes, visions, understanding, validation, mockery, praise is of utter no consequence!

best,
 
I don't subscribe to conspiracies.

Yet you believe that people conspired to destroy the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and blame it on Muslims. You believe that all the presidents (except one) are all related and hand chosen by somebody to be president. And you believe that part of the reason for the Boston bombings was so that these shadow leaders could practice implementing martial law.

It sounds to me like you subscribe to a lot of conspiracy theories, especially considering these are just the ones that you brought up on this thread. Who knows how many others you subscribe to.
 
I just find it ironic that someone who has posted multiple conspiracy theories then claims that they don't subscribe to conspiracy theories.

When I point this out to you instead of explaining you resort to personal insults. So be it.
 
Everything has been amply explained to you (13 pages long in fact) you refuse to acknowledge any voice of reason other your personal cognitive conservatism and that of like minded individuals whose only claim to fame is to make derogatory remarks and poison the well, make catch all phrases, string incoherent nonsense together, in fact that's how you made your grand entrance which was later moderated. Intellectual bullying, name calling, harassment, speaking for the other party are all indeed classified under trolling and I have reported you. There's no amount of evidence that will be satisfactory to you nor should anyone waste their breath.

best,
 
Being judgmental is human nature. Many on these forums have tried to judge me simply because I am a non-Muslim posting on a Muslim message board (or simply because I am a non-Muslim). I understand that and deal with it, even the ones that are a little too defensive because they don’t know me yet.

I would place the odds at about one in three that this is more of your snark and you were trying to be subtle and clever and I’m supposed to be one of the “too defensive ones who don’t know you yet” but the fact of the matter is I know you a wee bit better than you may think. I wasn’t always going by this name.

I have taken another look at those pictures of the boat and Independent’s defense that it’s impossible to see clearly enough from them that there is no pool of blood is an exaggeration—but then again we don’t have any context for the pictures and if I were in that situation I’d definitely be pressing my shirt up against my wound as hard as I could, and then the tarpaulin. It’s the only way to survive. Still, it's interesting.

I suggest we all follow Snopes for the time being. They’ve had little in the way of articles during the short time so far but they’ve covered this and that. It’s a very reliable website. They’re highly unbiased and almost never wrong. If anyone can be trusted not to fall for some alleged conspiracy, it’s Snopes.
 
العنود;1580574 said:
someone ought to break it to that she male that Jesus was a middle easterner with a towel on his head! Not sure how she'll take it- she's better suited for Odin or Thor!

But Jesus had light brown hair and blue eyes! No turban! Just look at all of the paintings! ^o)
 
The same motive for anti-US 'terrorism' is cited over and over

Ignoring the role played by US actions is dangerously self-flattering and self-delusional

News reports purporting to describe what Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told US interrogators should, for several reasons, be taken with a huge grain of salt. The sources for this information are anonymous, they work for the US government, the statements were obtained with no lawyer present and no Miranda warnings given, and Tsarnaev is "grievously wounded", presumably quite medicated, and barely able to speak. That the motives for these attacks are still unclear has been acknowledged even by Alan Dershowitz last week ("It's not even clear under the federal terrorism statute that this qualifies as an act of terrorism") and Jeffrey Goldberg on Friday ("it is not yet clear, despite preliminary indications, that these men were, in fact, motivated by radical Islam").

Those caveats to the side, the reports about what motivated the Boston suspects are entirely unsurprising and, by now, quite familiar:

"The two suspects in the Boston bombing that killed three and injured more than 260 were motivated by the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials told the Washington Post.

"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 'the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack,' the Post writes, citing 'US officials familiar with the interviews.'"

In the last several years, there have been four other serious attempted or successful attacks on US soil by Muslims, and in every case, they emphatically all say the same thing: that they were motivated by the continuous, horrific violence brought by the US and its allies to the Muslim world - violence which routinely kills and oppresses innocent men, women and children:

Attempted "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab upon pleading guilty:

"I had an agreement with at least one person to attack the United States in retaliation for US support of Israel and in retaliation of the killing of innocent and civilian Muslim populations in Palestine, especially in the blockade of Gaza, and in retaliation for the killing of innocent and civilian Muslim populations in Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan and beyond, most of them women, children, and noncombatants."

Attempted Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad, the first Pakistani-American involved in such a plot, upon pleading guilty:


"If the United States does not get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries controlled by Muslims, he said, 'we will be attacking US', adding that Americans 'only care about their people, but they don't care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die' . . . .

"As soon as he was taken into custody May 3 at John F. Kennedy International Airport, onboard a flight to Dubai, the Pakistani-born Shahzad told agents that he was motivated by opposition to US policy in the Muslim world, officials said."

When he was asked by the federal judge presiding over his case how he could possibly have been willing to detonate bombs that would kill innocent children, he replied:

"Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don't see children, they don't see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. It's a war, and in war, they kill people. They're killing all Muslims. . . .

"I am part of the answer to the US terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people. And, on behalf of that, I'm avenging the attack. Living in the United States, Americans only care about their own people, but they don't care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die."

Emails and other communications obtained by the US document how Shahzad transformed from law-abiding, middle-class naturalized American into someone who felt compelled to engage in violence as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, drone attacks, Israeli violence against Palestinians and Muslims generally, Guantanamo and torture, at one point asking a friend: "Can you tell me a way to save the oppressed? And a way to fight back when rockets are fired at us and Muslim blood flows?"

Attempted NYC subway bomber Najibullah Zazi, the first Afghan-American involved in such a plot, upon pleading guilty
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"Your Honor, during the spring and summer of 2008, I conspired with others to travel to Afghanistan to join the Taliban and fight against the U.S. military and its allies. . . . During the training, Al Qaeda leaders asked us to return to the United States and conduct martyrdom operation. We agreed to this plan. I did so because of my feelings about what the United States was doing in Afghanistan."

Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan:

"Part of his disenchantment was his deep and public opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, a stance shared by some medical colleagues but shaped for him by a growing religious fervor. The strands of religion and antiwar sentiment seemed to weave together in a PowerPoint presentation he made at Walter Reed in June 2007. . . . For a master's program in public health, Major Hasan gave another presentation to his environmental health class titled 'Why The War on Terror is a War on Islam.'"

Meanwhile, the American-Yemeni preacher accused (with no due process) of inspiring both Abdulmutallab and Hasan - Anwar al-Awalaki - was once considered such a moderate American Muslim imam that the Pentagon included him in post-9/11 events and the Washington Post invited him to write a column on Islam. But, by all accounts, he became increasingly radicalized in anti-American sentiment by the attack on Iraq and continuous killing of innocent Muslims by the US, including in Yemen. And, of course, Osama bin Laden, when justifying violence against Americans, cited US military bases in Saudi Arabia, US support for Israeli aggression against its neighbors, and the 1990s US sanctions regime that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, while Iranians who took over the US embassy in 1979 cited decades of brutal tyranny from the US-implanted-and-enabled Shah.

It should go without saying that the issue here is causation, not justification or even fault. It is inherently unjustifiable to target innocent civilians with violence, no matter the cause (just as it is unjustifiable to recklessly kill civilians with violence). But it is nonetheless vital to understand why there are so many people who want to attack the US as opposed to, say, Peru, or South Africa, or Brazil, or Mexico, or Japan, or Portugal. It's vital for two separate reasons.
First, some leading American opinion-makers love to delude themselves and mislead others into believing that the US is attacked despite the fact that it is peaceful, peace-loving, freedom-giving and innocent. As these myth-makers would have it, we don't bother anyone; we just mind our own business (except when we're helping and liberating everyone), so why would anyone possibly want to attack us?

With that deceitful premise in place, so many Americans, westerners, Christians and Jews love to run around insisting that the only real cause for Muslim attacks on the US is that the attackers have this primitive, brutal, savage, uncivilized religion (Islam) that makes them do it. Yesterday, Andrew Sullivan favorably cited Sam Harris as saying that "Islamic doctrines ... still present huge problems for the emergence of a global civil society" and then himself added: "All religions contain elements of this kind of fanaticism. But Islam's fanatical side – from the Taliban to the Tsarnaevs – is more murderous than most."

These same people often love to accuse Muslims of being tribal without realizing the irony that what they are saying - Our Side is Superior and They are Inferior - is the ultimate expression of rank tribalism. They also don't seem ever to acknowledge the irony of Americans and westerners of all people accusing others of being uniquely prone to violence, militarism and aggression (Juan Cole yesterday, using indisputable statistics, utterly destroyed the claim that Muslims are uniquely violent, including by noting the massive body count piled up by predominantly Christian nations and the fact that "murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States").

As the attackers themselves make as clear as they can, it's not religious fanaticism but rather political grievance that motivates these attacks. Religious conviction may make them more willing to fight (as it does for many in the west), but the motive is anger over what is being done by the US and its allies to Muslims. Those who claim otherwise are essentially saying: gosh, these Muslims sure do have this strange, primitive, inscrutable religion whereby they seem to get angry when they're invaded, occupied, bombed, killed, and have dictators externally imposed on them. It's vital to understand this causal relationship simply in order to prevent patent, tribalistic, self-glorifying falsehoods from taking hold.

Second, it's crucial to understand this causation because it's often asked "what can we do to stop Terrorism?" The answer is right in front of our faces: we could stop embracing the polices in that part of the world which fuel anti-American hatred and trigger the desire for vengeance and return violence. Yesterday at a Senate hearing on drones, a young Yemeni citizen whose village was bombed by US drones last week (despite the fact that the targets could easily have been arrested), Farea Al-Muslimi, testified. Al-Muslimi has always been pro-American in the extreme, having spent a year in the US due to a State Department award, but he was brilliant in explaining these key points:

"Just six days ago, my village was struck by a drone, in an attack that terrified thousands of simple, poor farmers. The drone strike and its impact tore my heart, much as the tragic bombings in Boston last week tore your hearts and also mine.

"What radicals had previously failed to achieve in my village one drone strike accomplished in an instant: there is now an intense anger and growing hatred of America."

He added that anti-American hatred is now so high as a result of this drone strike that "I personally don't even know if it is safe for me to go back to Wessab because I am someone who people in my village associate with America and its values." And he said that whereas he never knew any Yemenis who were sympathetic to al-Qaida before the drone attacks, now:

"AQAP's power and influence has never been based on the number of members in its ranks. AQAP recruits and retains power through its ideology, which relies in large part on the Yemeni people believing that America is at war with them" . . .
"I have to say that the drone strikes and the targeted killing program have made my passion and mission in support of America almost impossible in Yemen. In some areas of Yemen, the anger against America that results from the strikes makes it dangerous for me to even acknowledge having visited America, much less testify how much my life changed thanks to the State Department scholarships. It's sometimes too dangerous to even admit that I have American friends."

He added that drone strikes in Yemen "make people fear the US more than al-Qaida".

There seems to be this pervasive belief in the US that we can invade, bomb, drone, kill, occupy, and tyrannize whomever we want, and that they will never respond. That isn't how human affairs function and it never has been. If you believe all that militarism and aggression are justified, then fine: make that argument. But don't walk around acting surprised and bewildered and confounded (why do they hate us??) when violence is brought to US soil as well. It's the inevitable outcome of these choices, and that's not because Islam is some sort of bizarre or intrinsically violent and uncivilized religion. It's because no group in the world is willing to sit by and be targeted with violence and aggression of that sort without also engaging in it (just look at the massive and ongoing violence unleashed by the US in response to a single one-day attack on its soil 12 years ago: imagine how Americans would react to a series of relentless attacks on US soil over the course of more than a decade, to say nothing of having their children put in prison indefinitely with no charges, tortured, kidnapped, and otherwise brutalized by a foreign power).

Being targeted with violence is a major cost of war and aggression. It's a reason not do it. If one consciously decides to incur that cost, then that's one thing. But pretending that this is all due to some primitive and irrational religious response and not our own actions is dangerously self-flattering and self-delusional. Just listen to what the people who are doing these attacks are saying about why they are doing them. Or listen to the people who live in the places devastated by US violence about the results. None of it is unclear, and it's long past time that we stop pretending that all this evidence does not exist.

Dirty Wars


Several weeks ago, I wrote about the soon-to-be-released film, "Dirty Wars", that chronicles journalist Jeremy Scahill's investigation of US violence under President Obama in Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia and elsewhere. That film makes many of the same points here (including the fact that many Yemenis never knew of any fellow citizens who were sympathetic to al-Qaida until the US began drone-bombing them with regularity). Scahill's book by the same title was just released yesterday and it is truly stunning and vital: easily the best account of covert US militarism under Obama. I highly recommend it. See Scahill here on Democracy Now yesterday discussing it, with a focus on Obama's killing of both Anwar Awlaki and, separately, his 16-year-son Abdulrahman in Yemen. He also discussed his book this week with MSNBC's Chris Hayes and Morning Joe (where he argued that Obama has made assassinations standard US policy).


UPDATE

I was interviewed at length this week by the legendary Bill Moyers about Boston, US foreign policy, government secrecy and a variety of related matters. The program will air repeatedly on PBS, beginning this Friday night (see here for local listings). You can see a preview for the show they released today - here - as well as one short excerpt from the interview on the recorder below:

[video=vimeo;64742108]http://vimeo.com/64742108 [/video]



Here's one more excerpt released today by the Moyers show, this one pertaining to exactly the questions raised in today's column:

[video=vimeo;64737890]http://vimeo.com/64737890 [/video]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/24/boston-terrorism-motives-us-violence
 
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Everything has been amply explained to you (13 pages long in fact) you refuse to acknowledge any voice of reason other your personal cognitive conservatism and that of like minded individuals whose only claim to fame is to make derogatory remarks and poison the well

No, I am stating why I disagree with your opinion. I also am pointing out when you contradict yourself.


string incoherent nosennse together

I have a post in which I gave a number of reasons why I thought the conspiracy theory was not reasonable. I have yet to see anyone, including yourself, respond to it. If you want to call that nonsense feel free, but I wonder why those who disagree with me are avoiding it.

in fact that's how you made your grand entrance which was later moderated.

That is true, but it took you very little time to insult me and others that disagree with your opinion, thereby completely validating my moderated statement.

Intellectual bullying,

Intellectual bullying is usually described as people using big words in an attempt to sound smarter than they really are and being condescending. I put near the effort into using big words as you do, but I think that probably describes both of us to an extent.

name calling, harassment, speaking for the other party

Pot meet kettle.

and I have reported you. There's no amount of evidence that will be satisfactory to you nor should anyone waste their breath.

Ok. But can you or anyone answer the questions I posed in my previous post explaining why, among other things, the people pulling off this conspiracy left their patsy alive, arrested one patsy in front of cameras then faked his death in another spot, were able to get the patsies to be at the bomb site and drop of backpacks nearby, and how they intend to have the living patsy speak in public without covering all this up?
 
Intellectual bullying is usually described as people using big words in an attempt to sound smarter than they really are and being condescending. I put near the effort into using big words as you do, but I think that probably describes both of us to an extent.
try basic vocational training it will pad your self esteem and you won't feel the need to monkey around for attention. The rest of us went to grad school and feel no responsibility to dumb ourselves down to shelter your ego.


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Now an attempt to evade the issue by insinuating I have a low level of education. We have discussed this before the last time you tried this route and you got upset and claimed I was being conceited by bringing up my education.

Any chance of you actually answering a question about the topic at hand that I have asked, or will you simply post another insult and evade the difficult questions? Please?
 
BOSTON BOMBING - The lady with sunglasses drops her purse on the lighter bag that was pushed out by another person under the fence. NONE of the alleged suspects are in this photo. This is the exact area of the bombing.
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This represents the most extraordinary alliance between people who normally should have nothing in common with each other and i still can't get over how wild this is. Right wing patriots, some liberal groups, nationalists - and now many Muslims. All in the same boat, although they don't like to admit it. Muslims are the latecomers to this but they are rapidly taking over the whole genre through sheer numbers. As for a culprit, blaming the Jews is the most common theme but by no means the only one.

I think that you may be reading too much into this.

What we are seeing is a transition in the way in which people understand the world that we are living in - not just muslims, but from all walks of life.

As with many aspects of life, we may be looking at the same thing - but often, it can be through very different eyes.
We are shaped by past experiences, background knowledge as well as our belief systems.

A simple example can be a person who is standing at the side of an extremely ill person - but not being able to appreciate the actual seriousness of his/ her condition.
The doctor may enter the room and see the exact same person, and go into a frenzy......because his past experience and knowledge enables him to detect the signs of impending doom.


For many Muslims, this political belief is actually a part of their religion, and to contradict it is (in their eyes) an attack on Islam itself.

I can assure you, that this is not the case.

In fact, from my own experience, most muslims simply digest the news that is fed to them. It is a minority of people who chose to sit behind their laptops, and spend time researching into such topics.
Just this week, the subject of the Boston bombing was raised by a muslim collegue of mine.
When I mentioned that I think there are a few problems with the official story, I received a look of disbelief.

What we are discussing in this thread does not impact our imaans/ faith.
If one choses to believe the various forms of propaganda, this does not lessen his/ her faith, and vice versa.

For the west (and for world peace) this is a disaster because the west cannot undeclare a secret war which no one knows about and which it never declared in the first place. So long as you believe this, there really is nowhere to go on this one.

A quote from the suggested video:

"Do you think that men were able to carry out this global conspiracy of deception and power by themselves? This historical plan is almost perfect! Why would these elite and occult societies dedicate their lives to a plan that will not materialise in their lifetime?
.....Because the goals of this plan have not been planned out by men.
But by a force far stronger.
Men have sold their souls for this plan in return for worldly rewards of wealth and power....."


There is a far larger agenda (in most cases.....not specific to this one) that not many realise.



I did watch a number of them and I was disappointed, because I admire your piety and I expected something that might challenge me. In the event, unfortunately I found them very far from credible. Yet, I have to understand that you do admire them and find them believable.

You may think whatever you wish about me, but I cannot suddenly suspend all the critical faculties that I would normally apply to any other issue. I can't look for holes in the so-called 'mainstream view' and then ignore gaping absurdities in alternative accounts. (I have yet to see anyone, either on this forum or anywhere else, offer a credible alternative narrative for the Boston bombs - all they do is look for holes in the official account, even if it contradicts their own story.)

I was quite saddened to read this. I had seen you as a 'free-thinker'.
But I do understand..... Our minds tend to resist any type of 'change' that it encounters......such as having to change the manner one sees the world.

"Most people are not ready to be unplugged....
They believe and value the voice of the system; it has become the prime decider of their reality.
What is the 'voice' of the system? The media....."
 
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I believe that the detonation occurred behind the barricade, not in front of it. The force warped one of the fence pieces around the mailbox and blew the other across the street. They are made of aluminum, so heavy enough to stand up and be good fences, but not too heavy for people to move around. A few of the barricades to the left fell down into the general explosion area (West of explosion on Boyleston) probably because people were holding on to them and then jerked away suddenly.
NB: Photo uncensored, http://i.imgur.com/jV1uqTY.png
 
My point is that Muslims are more likely to fall for these tales, not that they necessarily propagate them. The facts back that up if you look at polls about conspiracy theories 9/11.

I honestly do not know how you are reaching these conclusions.
The sites that promote the 'conspiracy' behind 9/11 are run by non-muslims by far.

You can not judge all other muslims by those that you encounter on an Islamic forum, and the few who may be willing to accept alternative theories to events.
This would be a 'selection bias'......for the type of muslim who finds himself on a islamic forum in the first place, represents a minority of the population of muslims, as well as the fact that these are usually the type of individuals who enjoy thinking deeply about things, engaging in discussions, etc.....and hence they are type to spend time researching stuff on-line.

Most people do not fall into this category.

Maybe I should get my news and world view from Youtube videos?

Fox, CNN, BBC (Ive seen a cartoon that says this stands for: 'British brainwashing channel' :P) can all be found on youtube.
There are many beneficial videos that can be found on YT, as well as those that contain much nonsense.
Our aim is to ensure that we are able to decipher between the two.

His Youtube account had videos by Feiz Mohammad who calls for violent jihad and is known for his hatred of Jews. If these are the kind of men he is listening to would planting a bomb be any surprise, really?

A YT account can be created under any name/ an old account can change its name to anything - including the names of other individuals.
So, this means very little.

If you want to look at the facts then please, let's do. Let's go over exactly what had to be done for this to be successful:

1) They had to pick two patsies and then somehow make sure they were videotaped at the bomb site right before the bombs went off.
2) They had to plant eyewitnesses in the crowd to speak to the media about how they saw the men not look back when the bombs went off, unlike everyone else.
3) They had to get the two patsies to leave without their backpacks so that the before/after pics lined up.
4) They had to let the two patsies roam free for a couple of days then post their pictures for the whole world to see. This would allow the patsies to make calls to lawyers and family to declare their innocence, none of which was done. Don't you find that suspicious?
5) They arrest one of the men while a camera is filming it, then hold a fake shootout in another location so that they can claim the patsy was run over by his brother.
6) With one patsy left they make the dumbest decision of all anyone running a conspiracy of this scale... they capture the other patsy alive. Now one wrong word from him and the conspiracy is in danger. What is their motivation for this?
Are they so sure that their torture techniques will make him tell their version? How do they get his lawyers in on the conspiracy or were they a part of it to begin with?
Or is he a part of the conspiracy who is willing to spend the rest of his life in jail in order to help the conspirators?
Or are the conspirators such nice people that they don't mind killing and maiming a bunch of innocent people, but can't handle killing the younger brother?
7) They had to make public the fact that the FBI had questioned him before and not considered him a threat, and since the FBI is obviously in on it the that means part of the conspiracy involves making themselves look so incompetent that members of the US congress are calling for hearings and investigations into it.
8) Let's also make it part of the conspiracy to make the US government look even more incompetent by having the Russians (who may or may not be part of the conspiracy) point out that they asked for one of the patsies to be investigated long ago.
9) They also have to make sure that the media are all in line, which is easy because nobody in the main stream media would ever want to uncover something that would make the government look bad. There are certainly no examples of that in US history, just ask Woodward and Bernstein. One single rogue reporter could easily find out the truth on Youtube but we know they will be too afraid to investigate it because.... why exactly?


Now I know that none of this will sound absurd to you most likely. If you think this was a conspiracy all I can say is that it was one horribly planned conspiracy that will only be uncovered, as all conspiracies like this are, by people on the internet.

I also love the fact that "false flag" was being called the same day of the bombing when nothing was known. Ever since it has been a scramble to find evidence to back up the conclusion and not a scramble to look at evidence and come to a conclusion.

Lets realise the following:

1. The manner in which these brothers were identified as suspects in the first place still remains obscure. At the moment, it seems to be related to the fact that they had sachels. As mentioned earlier, there has been no footage thus far that shows them dropping off their bags or leaving the scene suspiciously.
The only footage that we do have are the ones that have been shown earlier - which appear to be doctored in any case.

2. The public would have been more suspicious if both these brothers were killed by police - before even having the chance to say anything about their involvement.
So thus far, they have not taken any responsibility for the death of Tamerlan - instead blaming it on his brother.
The younger brother has even been accused of trying to kill himself.
Even though the evidence for both cases, seems to indicate otherwise (as already mentioned previously)

3. The FBI did not reveal that they had made previous contact with the brothers.
This was revealed by their mother.....and only later was this fact admitted to.


As mentioned before, we have been simply highlighting the discrepancies and problems in the official story, on this thread.

For myself, this does not mean that I see it as an impossibility for these brothers to be guilty.

But, neither will I allow myself to believe everything that the media wants us to believe.
I feel that this is a healthier position to be in - to be a free-thinker, and to resist the indoctrination that most of society has given into.
 
I am indebted to Zaria for this piece of info, although it supports the official view rather than the conspiracy. She urged me to input 'Boston Bomb Conspiracy' into YouTube and i did. The first item up was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENd3q9bgbvI&bpctr=1367438191

(If the link doesn't work, input the same search term and hopefully it will come up first - it has an extra layer of protection on the link.)

For those of you who are still hanging onto the Craft International story, it definitively identifies the men as members of the Massachusetts National Guard who were assisting with the security on the day. The video shows pics of the individuals concerned - they are not Craft. They can be seen helping in the aftermath of the bomb. The guy who was supposed to have left a backpack can be seen with his backpack still in place, after the blast.

Secondly, it shows another photo just before the bomb with Dzkokhar standing a few feet behind a number of the known victims - including the 8 year old boy who was killed. It places him unquestionably right at the key spot (about 1min 20 in the video).

Dzhokhar was right there, in the right spot.
 
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The manner in which these brothers were identified as suspects in the first place still remains obscure.
Not really - we know that the FBI searched through every photo and video they could get hold of. A number of people had backpacks or bags, but obviously most of them had to be innocent. It's interesting that reddit tried to crowdsource the solution - to do the FBI's job for them - but were embarrassingly wrong and accused several indisputably innocent people before they stopped trying. For once, I have to admire the FBI's expertise.

As mentioned earlier, there has been no footage thus far that shows them dropping off their bags or leaving the scene suspiciously.
One of the most published photos shows the brothers arriving in the most peculiar way, walking together but one several yards in front of the other. Not talking, not acknowledging each other. Why do they behave in such a strange way? Then they split up and take up different positions to watch the race - close but not together. After the bomb goes off, astonishingly, they leave separately. Surely, their first thought should be to make sure the other brother ewas still alive? Is this any way for brothers to behave?

The FBI did not reveal that they had made previous contact with the brothers.
This was revealed by their mother
I'm not sure if that's the correct chronology - but in any case, it doesn't mean much. There are up to 1 million people on the international terrorism database. At first the FBI knew the faces, but not the names of the suspects. You could forgive them for taking a while to go through one million pics.

The public would have been more suspicious if both these brothers were killed by police
Yes they would. But that's nothing to the difficulties Dzhokhar can cause if he's not the real culprit. He now has a top legal defence team to help him. Also, if he is found guilty, he could get the death penalty (which I personally hate) and be made a martyr. If he really was being framed, no question he would be dead by now.
 
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