Boston bombings

[Independent]

Unless of course you believe the doctors at the hospital are in on the conspiracy.

This is one of the questions she is unable to answer.

Are you confused again or didn't bother with the thread title?

You didn't start the thread. One of the main conspiracy lines has the idea that there were no bombs at all. So far, everything you said till now seemed to fit with that. Perhaps you decided it was advisable to shift your ground.

Which is why I'm asking you to tell us what you think actually happened because it will save everyone a whole lot of time.

But this is another thing you never commit to, not with this or any other conspiracy event. This is because you are incapable of constructing any coherent narrative. It's easier to try and find loose ends in the official story rather than fill the gaping holes in your own.

 

[جوري]

This is one of the questions she is unable to answer.

I have already answered above, I know it wasn't what you were hoping for. Believe it or not folks between life and death don't go to the front desk to register their name, previous medical history etc.
You'd be better off addressing me directly, crying to titus ain't gonna help you here!

You didn't start the thread. One of the main conspiracy lines has the idea that there were no bombs at all. So far everything, you said till now seemed to fit with that.

Really like what?

Which is why I'm asking you to tell us what you think actually happened because it will save everyone a whole lot of time.

In fact I don't know what happened. I do know that what they say happened isn't congruent with some of what I'd seen!

But this is another thing you never commit to, not with this or any other conspiracy event. This is because you are incapable of constructing any coherent narrative. It's easier to try and find loose ends in the official story rather than fill the gaping holes in your own.

It is unfortunate this silly little word play you descend to. That sort of psychology doesn't work on me, given the time I invest to reply to your inane little ditties is itself a testament of how silly your content!

best,

 

[titus]

Here is a link to more people that were involved in the conspiracy.

 

[جوري]

Here is a link to more people that were involved in the conspiracy.

in fact orthopedic surgery is close to my heart, very rare are the cases when an orthopedist comes to the scene before a vascular surgeon. But I am not disputing what the doctor says, there are a few situations when they can both work on a patient at the same time or fast in tandem.. It still doesn't answer what happened on the scene. perhaps you can shift gears go back and address that before you go on to the next stage? Basic life support usually comes before any vascular or orthopedic surgery!

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[titus]

If the wounds would have been impossible to live through, then why has there been no outcry from the thousands and thousands of doctors from around the world already concerning this? After all the picture is becoming iconic.

I know you are a medical expert and all, but why are we not hearing from others in the medical field to corroborate? I mean, besides that one guy with EMT training that is also able to decode super secret signals (like waving a hand and putting on sunglasses) why is nobody brave enough to speak out? Are they all a part of the conspiracy or is the government intimidating all of them into silence?

 

[Independent]

We're concerned with this guy, since this guy identified the culprit.

Let's follow your fantasy as far as we can from what you're prepared to release to the media.

I'm assuming now that you think Jeff is the only fake injury, but the others are real. Let's leave aside for one moment how this miracle was achieved - and think about what the point of it would be.

As you say, when he was taken back to the hospital Jeff gave an ID of one of the perpetrators - Tamerlan if I remember rightly but whichever. In order to ID the guy they must have already had a shortlist to show him, so Tamerlan was already a suspect. All Jeff did was to narrow it down.

Alternatively, to get into the spirit of the conspiracy, Jeff is an actor so presumably he didn't actually do this because they already knew who did it or who they were going to accuse of it.

So what did Jeff add to the conspiracy? They could have just released the pics of the suspects anyway - there was enough to go on from their position and their behaviour, that's why they were shortlisted in the first place? Tamerlan/Dzhokhar's guilt isn't reliant on his testimony anyway.

So they went to all that risk to fake his injury to make absolutely no difference to the success or otherwise of the conspiracy?

Jeff adds nothing.

 

[titus]

But I am not disputing what the doctor says,

Do you believe the doctor is able to tell whether a person lost their legs recently or was a previous amputee?

 

[جوري]

If the wounds would have been impossible to live through, then why has there been no outcry from the thousands and thousands of doctors from around the world already concerning this? After all the picture is becoming iconic.

Where did I say that the wounds are impossible to live through? perhaps you can quote me on that!

I know you are a medical expert and all, but why are we not hearing from others in the medical field to corroborate? I mean, besides that one guy with EMT training that is also able to decode super secret signals (like waving a hand and putting on sunglasses) why is nobody brave enough to speak out? Are they all a part of the conspiracy or is the government intimidating all of them into silence?

Speak out on what exactly? As I stated above trauma patients go in anon. No one sits there and googles their before and after history furthermore even if they did, one would lose their license for discussing patient care with the public unless it is a state forensic case. Dead people do belong to the state and that is about it!

best,

 

[جوري]

I'm assuming now that you think Jeff is the only fake injury, but the others are real. Let's leave aside for one moment how this miracle was achieved - and think about what the point of it would be.

I don't wish to leave it aside since he identified the culprit. Ok, secondly I didn't say whether or not he had a fake injury I wish you and the other guy would quit speaking on my behalf. I said for a vascular injury of that magnitude he wouldn't be sitting on the chair in the AAOX3.
It is really quite simple read a little about what it means to lose blood form a high velocity vessel and a major one at that!

As you say, when he was taken back to the hospital Jeff gave an ID of one of the perpetrators - Tamerlan if I remember rightly but whichever. In order to ID the guy they must have already had a shortlist to show him, so Tamerlan was already a suspect. All Jeff did was to narrow it down.

Guess you're also not aware what volume depletion does to the brain especially in a tenuous supply!

I don't really care for the rest of the gibber- the games you play are only a reflection of your level of education and your purpose here!

best,

 

[جوري]

Do you believe the doctor is able to tell whether a person lost their legs recently or was a previous amputee?

Of course they can. Have you read my previous comments on trauma pts. anonymity & patient confidentiality?

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[جوري]

Also, Guilt is a judicial matter. A young man had to die and a family completely ruined before we had a chance to know the truth out of this disgusting mob mentality. The guy who allegedly sent ricin to the president was exonerated, they should have been given the same chance!

 

[Independent]

I didn't say whether or not he had a fake injury

Now you agree he had a real injury???!

So there was a bomb, everyone was injured, and Jeff Bauman is who he says he is. This is the exact official version isn't it?

This is farcical. 15 pages to get to this. Maybe it would be quicker if you told us the bits you didn't agree with and stop wasting everybody's time.

 

[titus]

Ok, secondly I didn't say whether or not he had a fake injury I wish you and the other guy would quit speaking on my behalf. I said for a vascular injury of that magnitude he wouldn't be sitting on the chair in the AAOX3.

First off where did it say he was AAOX3 or that he was not close to death? Because one of the reports I read said that he was close to death and required massive amounts of blood that day. Everything I have read also said he was in major shock after the bombing.

The interviews with the FBI happened after he was out of intensive care.

 

[جوري]

First off where did it say he was AAOX3 or that he was not close to death? Because one of the reports I read said that he was close to death and required massive amounts of blood that day. Everything I have read also said he was in major shock after the bombing.

The interviews with the FBI happened after he was out of intensive care.

:haha: I guess a shift in story is good right about now.. reminds me of the time you asked me (at least I think it was you) about at least one female Muslim ruler, and when provided your story switched to some other need.

isn't that him on the scene?

you need blood banking for a transfusion so per you he got worse after he went to the hospital & not before? given that shock ensues within 10 minutes or so depending on pressure applied? Even IV bags themselves can serve to speed the shock because fluid on the scene isn't usually warmed. Not that I see any bags hanging from him or anything...
pls. I urge you and the govt. you defend to sit down and work on your stories and think about them a little before releasing them to the world!

best,

 

[IAmZamzam]

If the wounds would have been impossible to live through, then why has there been no outcry from the thousands and thousands of doctors from around the world already concerning this? After all the picture is becoming iconic. I know you are a medical expert and all, but why are we not hearing from others in the medical field to corroborate? I mean, besides that one guy with EMT training that is also able to decode super secret signals (like waving a hand and putting on sunglasses) why is nobody brave enough to speak out? Are they all a part of the conspiracy or is the government intimidating all of them into silence?

I would have expected you not to stoop to an argument from silence. Come on.

 

[جوري]

I don't understand why people don't read and we keep going back to square one.. Do people here understand about the glasgow scale at all- about vascular injuries from a major vessel about trauma care about basic CPR and ACLS?

 

[titus]

I can see that he is awake. As for the rest, are you aware of anyone asking him any questions to determine if he was AAO?

 

[جوري]

I can see that he is awake. As for the rest, are you aware of anyone asking him any questions to determine if he was AAO?

If he weren't the other A what is he doing sitting? shouldn't he be on a gurney with a bag over his body until they take him to the hospital in a hurry we're talking about minutes here to death. 10-15 to lose what is vital to live from that type vessel and 6 mins for brain death!

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[جوري]

btw the oriented can be deciphered with his identification of the culprit .. you need that you know, otherwise two people were victimized and one of them killed for nothing.

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[Independent]

btw the oriented can be deciphered with his identification of the culprit .. you need that you know, otherwise two people were victimized and one of them killed for nothing.

This doesn't make much sense in English but I'm guessing you're saying Jeff's testimony is important to the conspiracy. But it isn't. It may have been important in identifying the suspects faster (but if you think he's a fake then that wouldn't apply anyway). But it isn't of much value to the conspiracy.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar are suspects for a whole variety of reasons and Jeff's testimony, if they even bother to call him, will not make much difference in court.

Apart from that, I can't make head or tail of whether you think he was injured in the blast or not, and what injuries he received. I wonder if you know yourself?

Stop wasting everyone's time!