BOXING: Amir Khan rule the world!

[Helena]

im not bein a cow but sum ppl on here, im surprised they think that ANYTHING is halal, always find sumthin or oda to make it haraam,

one thing Iv wondered tho, is it permissable 4 gals 2 watch these men in shorts punchin the lights outta each oda? cos im propa in2 ma amir khan n thart

sorry to be rude sis....but wot do u mean by ur above sentence u mentioned?

as u've stated: 'sum ppl on here, im surprised they think that ANYTHING is halal, always find sumthin or oda to make it haraam',.....erm is it meant to be a joke?......well am not getting it.....

all i can say we need to help each other, guide each other from the unlawful things in islam, we need to be aware..inshAllah......need to be on the safe side.....above there....someones watching us...all our actions are being recorded...we cant hide from it...it will all be displayed on the day of judgment.....

remember there is haraam/halaal in islam...which all of us muslims need to take it in account/need to study it......

am sorry but am not directing it at u.....

 

[H4RUN]

Muhammed Ali was Nation of Islam rather than a 'proper' muslim, I think.

Muhammad Ali was introduced to the nation of islam...'was'....He then left and joined the 'proper family'...he became a proper Muslim....a sunni muslim as it stands....
In the nation it was an on or off job, whenever Elijah Muhammad said he can practice and not practice was how it went down....Few times he was suspended from being a 'muslim' as was Malcolm X aka Malik Shahbaz....although Muhammad Ali himslef did not stop being a muslim....
so to sum it up, he was in the 'nation of islam' but now is a sunni muslim....some of the nations beliefs were a bit contradictory..

 

[Hijaabi22]

sorry to be rude sis....but wot do u mean by ur above sentence u mentioned?

as u've stated: 'sum ppl on here, im surprised they think that ANYTHING is halal, always find sumthin or oda to make it haraam',.....erm is it meant to be a joke?......well am not getting it.....

all i can say we need to help each other, guide each other from the unlawful things in islam, we need to be aware..inshAllah......need to be on the safe side.....above there....someones watching us...all our actions are being recorded...we cant hide from it...it will all be displayed on the day of judgment.....

remember there is haraam/halaal in islam...which all of us muslims need to take it in account/need to study it......

am sorry but am not directing it at u.....

NO WORRRRRRIEEEZZZZZZZZ SIS, was jus sayin, Course this is an issue that needs 2 be discussed but if u wanna deb8 bout whether its halal or haraam, it shud be done on another thread cos everyyyyyyy1 ends up goin off tiopic n the point of the thread is lyk totally changed. And the only reason i made dat remark was because it happensssss aaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll da tymmmmmmmm esp wid my threads :rant:

Amir Khan Rox :shade:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

:salamext:

it might be weird but i cant stop wondering as a muslim why doesnt he use his popularity for dawah, Muhammad Ali mentioned Allah swt quite a few times when he lost and stuff mashaAllaH in fact check this out:

before Muhammad Ali's illness:

I'm a baaaadd man!!

To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are.
Superman don't need no seat belt. [Comment to flight attendant, who replied, 'Superman don't need no airplane, either.']

"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." <--- HOW COCKY DOES THAT SOUND!!


After his illness:


Pleasure is not happiness. It has no more importance than a shadow following a man.

There are more pleasant things to do than beat up people.

God gave me this illness to remind me that I'm not number One; he is.


Allah guided him Alhamdulillaah, May Allah forgive us if we go astray !
AMEEN !

 

[Sis786]

I thought the match went well but credit to the frenchman he did put a few good punches in esp in the last 2 rounds.

I think Amir is a good guy it doesnt seem he lets the fame get to this head and hes never to tough to bend over after a match and let his Amee (mom) give him a sloppy wet kiss

 

[Nuseyba bintkab]

i really don't like boxing

 

[Umar001]

Well if you want to go down that route, living in a non-muslim country is also haram as is purchasing from "kufars who use this money to fund killing of muslims"

Wa Aleykum Salam Akhi,

Please provide me proof. Make another thread or re-direct me to one.

How is male boxing haram?

Are muslims allowed to hit other people in the face?

 

[aamirsaab]

Wa Aleykum Salam Akhi,

Please provide me proof. Make another thread or re-direct me to one.

I was taking the mick out of certain people who start parading those sorts of comments to justify their stupid and illogical reasoning of keeping as far away from kafirs (and any action they perform) as possible.

Are muslims allowed to hit other people in the face?

If you've actually seen Khan's matches, the ref ends up breaking the match up before any boxer actually draws blood (well, at least in the featherweights) - this explains why he usually has such short matches that end within the first 2 or so rounds. The way I see boxing is the same way I see tae-kwon-do or karate competitions: score points via hitting your opponent. As far as the amount of damage is delt it is considerably less than you'd think, for two reasons:
* padding (boxing gloves) is used to reduce the damage to both opponents - believe me, if you punch someone, you'll hurt your own hand as much as the body part you hit.
* the ref ends the match before any real damage is dealt.

Just as a point in general: all backbiting posts will be deleted, If it pursues, thread will be locked.
Oh and another point in general: what happened to the 70 excuses rule? You know, the ones that prevent us from judging people so quickly.

 

[Umar001]

Assalamu aleykum Brother

I was taking the mick out of certain people who start parading those sorts of comments to justify their stupid and illogical reasoning of keeping as far away from kafirs (and any action they perform) as possible.

Oh sorry, well it seemed like you were serious.

If you've actually seen Khan's matches, the ref ends up breaking the match up before any boxer actually draws blood (well, at least in the featherweights) - this explains why he usually has such short matches that end within the first 2 or so rounds. The way I see boxing is the same way I see tae-kwon-do or karate competitions: score points via hitting your opponent. As far as the amount of damage is delt it is considerably less than you'd think, for two reasons:
* padding (boxing gloves) is used to reduce the damage to both opponents - believe me, if you punch someone, you'll hurt your own hand as much as the body part you hit.
* the ref ends the match before any real damage is dealt.

Just as a point in general: all backbiting posts will be deleted, If it pursues, thread will be locked.
Oh and another point in general: what happened to the 70 excuses rule? You know, the ones that prevent us from judging people so quickly.

Just for the record I am not talking about Amir Khan, I'm just wondering about boxing in general, am guesing that your speaking in general too about the 70 escuses and so forth, coming to the point,

Is the aim in boxin to hit the oponent, especially around the head to cause a knock out? That is the main aim, some might have lesser goals and so forth of just scoring other points, but the main aim I guess everyone agrees is getting a knock out. One of the methods is hitting the face, either to get a knock out or a 'point' so if we establish that muslims are not allowed to hit in the face then it would mean it's haram, thats one small aspect.

If people want to tell me there are Muslim boxers who never aim for the face of their oponents then I'd be amazed and would love to see such statements from them, plus I'd expect a beard and proper hearcut.

But the last two are just my requests.

 

[FBI]

was taking the mick out of certain people who start parading those sorts of comments to justify their stupid and illogical reasoning of keeping as far away from kafirs (and any action they perform) as possible

Instead of going off on a rant lets address the issue you qouted me on.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

:salamext:


its haram to slap the face let alone punch it or draw blood.

SAHIH MUSLIM

Book 032, Number 6324:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When any one of you fights with his brother, he should not slap at the face.

 

[aamirsaab]

Instead of going off on a rant lets address the issue you qouted me on.

Ok, just this once. You said nationalism is haram, correct. Therefore, is not living and simultaneously supporting, via tax money, obiding by it's laws etc, a "kafir" country, a form of nationalism? Surely if you're not proud of your country (i.e the one you live in) you wouldn't support it (via living in the land and obiding by its laws) and therefore not be a nationalist. If that is the case: my parents and other relatives (infact, any muslim family that legally lives in the UK or other "kafir" country) are nationalist and according to your statement are commiting haram actions.

As you can see, that argument doesn't wash and will not wash.

 

[FBI]

I was taking the mick out of certain people who start parading those sorts of comments to justify their stupid and illogical reasoning of keeping as far away from kafirs (and any action they perform) as possible

Just for the record you say my arguments are illogical, how mine are supported by islam, yours seem to be from your own reasoning, I challange you to bring islamic text to support your argument cause at the end of the day that's all that matters.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Aamirsaab bro i thought a nationalist is someone who prefers one nation over the other. By living in a nation and abiding by its laws and trying to respect its people does not make one a nationalist.

sorry if i have misunderstood, i seem to be doing a lot of that recently

 

[FBI]

Ok, just this once. You said nationalism is haram, correct. Therefore, is not living and simultaneously supporting, via tax money, obiding by it's laws etc, a "kafir" country, a form of nationalism? Surely if you're not proud of your country (i.e the one you live in) you wouldn't support it (via living in the land and obiding by its laws) and therefore not be a nationalist. If that is the case: my parents and other relatives (infact, any muslim family that legally lives in the UK or other "kafir" country) are nationalist and according to your statement are commiting haram actions.

As you can see, that argument doesn't wash and will not wash.

You joking bro, hows that being nationalist, seriously bruv common, you can live here abide by it's rules and whatnot, but when you start waving the union Jack around that's when your nationalist lol :giggling:

 

[aamirsaab]

Oisky. You guys are so lucky that i'm too lazy to delete these posts as off-topic.

Just for the record you say my arguments are illogical, how mine are supported by islam, yours seem to be from your own reasoning, I challange you to bring islamic text to support your argument cause at the end of the day that's all that matters.

Ok first of all this is no place to challenge anybody. Secondly, I don't need to use Islamic text to support my argument - i've just provided a suitable answer to your question that contained no hadith or quran references at all, but merely logic. The mere fact that you'll only read and listen to my statements if I use Islamic support indicates that you are not willing to accept my answer (yet you still wish to ask me questions) and that you're very narrow minded. Simultaneously, this goes against one of the many teachings of Islam which is to not be narrow minded and take all views into account (note, however this is not the same as agreeing to them). Thirdly, you misinterpreted my original post.

Aamirsaab bro i thought a nationalist is someone who prefers one nation over the other. By living in a nation and abiding by its laws and trying to respect its people does not make one a nationalist.

Yes you are correct, however the way brother FBI was in a different cotent. My point was to show that by using that logic, i.e by calling Aamir Khan a nationalist (or rather accusing him of being nationalist) is wrong.

sorry if i have misunderstood, i seem to be doing a lot of that recently

Ah don't worry about it. I gaurantee you i've probably made twice the amount of mistakes over the past few years

but when you start waving the union Jack around that's when your nationalist

Flag waving doesn't seem to be a problem when Pakistan is playing cricket. Or when chicken cottage is brandishing it's newly purchases and whiter than white cross of England. Besides, waving a flag of a country is no more nationalist than physically supporting your country through monetary values - same intention, different action.

 

[FBI]

Ok first of all this is no place to challenge anybody. Secondly, I don't need to use Islamic text to support my argument - i've just provided a suitable answer to your question that contained no hadith or quran references at all, but merely logic. The mere fact that you'll only read and listen to my statements if I use Islamic support indicates that you are not willing to accept my answer (yet you still wish to ask me questions) and that you're very narrow minded. Simultaneously, this goes against one of the many teachings of Islam which is to not be narrow minded and take all views into account (note, however this is not the same as agreeing to them). Thirdly, you misinterpreted my original post.

Narrow Minded I refered back to the deen in this issue instead of using my own reasoning and you call me narrow minded :rollseyes

The mere fact that you'll only read and listen to my statements if I use Islamic support indicates that you are not willing to accept my answer

I'm debating from a religious prespective what else do you expect for me to ask for.

you misinterpreted my original post

In what way?

 

[FBI]

flag of a country is no more nationalist than physically supporting your country through monetary values - same intention, different action

Again you seem unable to accept the truth, Providing for your family, abiding by laws of the country and waving a flag of a nation are two diffrent things.

 

[Umar001]

I really want to post but this is going off topic guys.

I think we've established that boxin, i.e. the 'sport' of knocking oponents out by landing blows to the body and face of the opponent, goes against the Islamic prohibition of not hitting the face.

As for nationalism I suggest someone creates another thread if need be.

 

[FBI]

I really want to post but this is going off topic guys.

I think we've established that boxin, i.e. the 'sport' of knocking oponents out by landing blows to the body and face of the opponent, goes against the Islamic prohibition of not hitting the face.

As for nationalism I suggest someone creates another thread if need be.

I agree, hope I havn't offended anyone if so I'm sorry