Breaking news: Israel plans to invade gaza officialy now

[جوري]

Hamas has executed four informers by firing squad, and about a dozen more are on death row in Gaza.

 

[islamica]

doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to defend themselves), because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory - (they are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right - (for no cause) except that they say, 'Our Lord is Allah'.... " 22:39-40


"Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress limits. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors. ... And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against transgressors." 2:190,193


"If you fear treachery from any group, throw back (their treaty) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms. Lo! Allah loves not the treacherous." 8:58


And don't be weak in the pursuit of the enemy; if you are suffering (hardships) then surely, they (too) are suffering (hardships) as you are suffering, but you have a hope from Allâh (for the reward, i.e. Paradise) that for which they hope not, and Allâh is Ever All*Knowing, All*Wise. 4.104

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

"Fighting is prescribed upon you, and you dislike it. But it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows and you know not." 2:216

"And why should you not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You, one who will protect; and raise for us from You, one who will help'." 4:75

That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. 9.36


I think you should read the Quran more often, especially at times other than just Ramadan.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Then you must know how the palestinians feel.

Of course I do. What suggested to you that I don't?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

You use Gandhi as example.

Please enlighten me.

Did the brits force all subcontinent people to leave their homes, and segregated them in areas which were akin like open air prisons, and eliminate all their rights?

I was answering to lives being shed for the formation of Pakistan statement. Hence I only used it in Pakistan's context. Wasn't suggesting it as a model for the Palestinians.

Brits did use segregation but other than that, some would argue they were the best thing ever happened to the subcontinent. They were greedy but they also did a lot of development. The only railway tracks that exist in Pakistan are from the times of the Brits. Sad but true.

 

[جوري]

Railroads were erected so folks can go worship Ghulam mirzah.
You're such a cad walhi I can't believe anyone is that dense!
Nothing the British did, was done out of love, to create peace or fix conflict. In fact just the opposite!

 

[Ramadhan]

Of course I do. What suggested to you that I don't?

Did I misunderstand you?

I thought you proposed that the Palestinians should accept two state solution (and not sure with which borders?) and to divide Jerusalem into two?

Or did you just miss the point of my analogy altogether?

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

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No two-state solution, never it can be, the israeli population, atleast the majority are against palestinians if a two state solution will ever exist it will be like yugoslavia, still skirmishes, fights and hate against each other.


Its one or the other, the palestinians have the right to take their land back and no zionist should stay there. If jerusalem is liberated then the jews need to go, go back to europe, ofcourse not forced but the way salahuddin(Ra) did.

Its a muslim issue, not a palestinian nor a arab issues, one of the three holiest masjids is occupied by kufar. And its a duty of a muslim to respond and act against oppression everywhere.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Railroads were erected so folks can go worship Ghulam mirzah.
You're such a cad walhi I can't believe anyone is that dense!
Nothing the British did, was done out of love, to create peace or fix conflict. In fact just the opposite!

Who cares why they were built? Mostly maybe to transport goods and stuff. What we know is that our own so called Muslim government not only couldn't expand the railroads but could hardly maintain the old ones. So much so that many trains are now completely shut out of business.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

1. Is it true that Hamas conceals and fires its weapons from civilian buildings (such as schools and hospitals) in Gaza? I hear that a lot when confronting anti-Palestinian racists...

2. What about this very common assertion that Gazans are Egyptians and West Bankers are Jordanian. How do you refute this?

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

1. Is it true that Hamas conceals and fires its weapons from civilian buildings (such as schools and hospitals) in Gaza? I hear that a lot when confronting anti-Palestinian racists...

2. What about this very common assertion that Gazans are Egyptians and West Bankers are Jordanian. How do you refute this?

1. No Hamas mostly fires from open areas or its own facilities, barely schools or family homes.
2. palestinians actually origin from the originial population who were the canaanites but its very mixed now with alot of arabs living there. much arab tribes already lived in palestine before the muslims conquered Jerusalem.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Hamas mostly fires

That means it does sometimes fire from schools and hospitals??

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

That means it does sometimes fire from schools and hospitals??

I really dont know that, but i dont think they fire from such places, every vid i have seen from them were filmed in open areas. not really in gaza city itself

 

[Signor]

Assalamu Alaikum Roasted Cashews

You should read comparative history before coming up with things like two states theory.Most of the Jews who lives in Israel now came from other places of the world.Bait-ul-Maqdas used to be a place of Muslims,Christians and Jews.Its was none other than Umar(R.A) who allowed Jews to come in and worship after It has been surrendered in his(R.A) era(previously they have been banned from it by Roman empire).I myself is in favor of peace more than anyone else,you can't justify war by any mean and here you are three to four days conflict 4 Israelis Killed and more than 100 Palestinians.The so called peace maker's hands are already covered with bloods who will gonna stop them.Want to know something Sudan one of the biggest Muslim country in Africa and Indonesia one of the biggest over the world....now we have Two Sudans and Two timur,Done by whom?same powers who couldn't resolve Israel-Palestine conflict(See the two faces).Get you facts straight and don't buy the hype...!!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Did I misunderstand you?

I thought you proposed that the Palestinians should accept two state solution (and not sure with which borders?) and to divide Jerusalem into two?

I would be mad..I would be raging with anger but knowing how strong the opposition is being one of the very advanced militaries in the world and backed by literally the strongest military in the world, US... whatever comes my way, I would accept for the time being. Wouldn't it be better to have some part of my house than nothing at all?? Maybe when I am capable of actually winning against them, I would go all out and reclaim my entire house.???

 

[جوري]

Who cares why they were built? Mostly maybe to transport goods and stuff. What we know is that our own so called Muslim government not only couldn't expand the railroads but could hardly maintain the old ones. So much so that many trains are now completely shut out of business.

they are actually the reason you don't have an Islamic govt. And perpetuating false ideology is part of that agenda. They've thrown you a bone but a poisoned one. If you step back from this and don't become too involved with Islam but look at Hong Kong, or China, or even the African nations currently undergoing genocide from the inside due to tribalism and nothing at all to do with religion and where Belgium after it left exercised the agenda of minority controlling a majority you'd have a better understanding of both the socio-economic and geopolitical situation in the world at large. And then you can come and share your points of view. But to speak out of utter ignorance is completely unacceptable .. can't you do the most minor research?

 

[sister herb]

I read today interview of family in Gaza where zionists had bombed and even they said they haven´t never seen any from Hamas would launched missiles from they area.

About the other question, if you ask it from Palestinian they will say it is just nonsense claim something like that - zionist propaganda. I have talked about it with one Palestinian lives in my country, he is orioginally from Al-Quds (Jerusalem), bornt before 1948 and told Palestinians origin is just Palestinian. Like they dialect of language is not similar than Jordanians or Egyptians and they had country (under British mandate) with own money etc. Idea to claim the West Bankers would be Jordanians base to plans of zionists to deport Palestinians to Jordan and take also that land to zionists only.

More true is many zionists are from Europe and many also from areas of Russia.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

they are

who are??

They've thrown you a bone but a poisoned one

which in laymen terms mean? What exactly are you referring to?

I see that you have a good thing with words and essay writing skills with very eloquent English but please be more direct because it takes up so much time to decrypt what you write!!

 

[جوري]

Follow the flow of the thread it is really not that difficult.

best,

 

[GuestFellow]

I would be mad..I would be raging with anger but knowing how strong the opposition is being one of the very advanced militaries in the world and backed by literally the strongest military in the world, US... whatever comes my way, I would accept for the time being. Wouldn't it be better to have some part of my house than nothing at all?? Maybe when I am capable of actually winning against them, I would go all out and reclaim my entire house.???

Asslamu Aliakum,

I see where you are going with this. Live to fight another day? If I was a Palestinian, I would leave and find another way to stop Israelis.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Two state solution on 1967 borders and a peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. Settle on a compromise for God sake.

How can Palestinians peacefully co exist with bloodthirsty 21st century Nazis who occupy their land? Would you negotiate with someone who broke into your residence, took complete control of your assets and then suggested a truce whereby everything is split into two halves?

Would you accept that? Or would you teach that thief a lesson by fighting for what is yours?

Palestinians can't settle disputes among themselves that they are now divided into two factions...how are they gonna settle disputes with Israel

The entire world knows Israel doesn't want peace, they claim they want peace and a resolution in the way of a two state solution but then sabotage the whole thing by unleashing their devil forces on the people of Gaza. Yassar Arafat (May Allah grant him Jannah) struck a peace deal with Israel years ago but the Israelis slithered their way out of it by killing him, Hamas were close to negotiating some sort of deal just recently but again the Israelis bombed Gaza just to avoid going ahead with the peace deal.

Long-term peace was within reach before Israeli attack
http://rt.com/news/peace-settlement-hamas-israel-882/

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land.

Muslims have always had deep love for sacred land, take for example the two blessed cities in Arabia, Makkah, Madinah (SubhanAllah!) and Jerusalem in Palestine where Masjid Al Aqsa is situated. We have a special attachment to these three incredible places and if you think otherwise..i really don't know what to say.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for?

Earning the status of a Martyr whilst fighting for Jerusalem is worth more then anything in the world.