Britain - a Muslim country?

[ISDhillon]

Actually, I hate these idiots who start talking about making Britain a Muslim country. These nutjobs wouldn't last a day under the full Shariah law. It's all talk, something they like to do and act all about in front of non-Muslims making themselves all hard and cool.

And Muslims countries don't work anyway. Look at Pakistan, most of the Middle East. I suggest you sort out those Muslim countries first before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

well said reps for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ghazi]

Actually, I hate these idiots who start talking about making Britain a Muslim country. These nutjobs wouldn't last a day under the full Shariah law. It's all talk, something they like to do and act all about in front of non-Muslims making themselves all hard and cool.

And Muslims countries don't work anyway. Look at Pakistan, most of the Middle East. I suggest you sort out those Muslim countries first before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

I agree, our muslim nations aint even running the sharia how on earth is a kufur goverment ment to embrace it, these people need to head home and fix their lands then talk about making england an islamic state.

 

[Nicola]

Sorry but what is it with Sikhs and the BNP?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313967073906592014&q=bnp

They're white supremacists! If they get into power... you're going back to the motherland bro. It's even in their manifesto.

They dont have a problem with immigrants - they have a problem with us dark skinned folk.

Sheesh! (Talking of which, if they get into power, say goodbye to the Sheesh Kebab).

thankfully they never will

 

[Nicola]

Actually, I hate these idiots who start talking about making Britain a Muslim country. These guys wouldn't last a day under the full Shariah law. It's all talk, something they like to do and act all about in front of non-Muslims making themselves all hard and cool.

And Muslims countries don't work anyway. Look at Pakistan, most of the Middle East. I suggest you sort out those Muslim countries first before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

I couldn't live under Shariah law...I've seen enough videos to make sure of that...

I have to ask though what did you mean by...this?

before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

 

[azim]

Actually, I hate these idiots who start talking about making Britain a Muslim country. These guys wouldn't last a day under the full Shariah law. It's all talk, something they like to do and act all about in front of non-Muslims making themselves all hard and cool.

And Muslims countries don't work anyway. Look at Pakistan, most of the Middle East. I suggest you sort out those Muslim countries first before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

No ones suggesting a top-down implementation of Shariah Law. That wouldn't work full stop. Nor is anyone suggesting a take over of the UK.

I'm talking about a natural Islamic movement in the UK caused by large numbers of converts which eventually lead to Muslim goverment and thus Muslim rule.

I hope you weren't suggesting a take over was the topic of this discussion?

I suggest you sort out those Muslim countries first before taking over a nation where you shouldn't even be living right now.

Why shouldn't I be living here right now?

 

[Z]

Well many of those Muslims seem to think it's wrong to live in a country such as Britain because of not being able to practise Islam or something or the other, and hence why they'd prefer it to be a Muslim country.

 

[azim]

I agree, our muslim nations aint even running the sharia how on earth is a kufur goverment ment to embrace it, these people need to head home and fix their lands then talk about making england an islamic state.

I think people are missing the point here. The idea is that the goverment wouldn't be kufur when they do embrace it.

I'm talking about Britain becoming an Islamic country in terms of population rather then rule.

 

[Z]

'No ones suggesting a top-down implementation of Shariah Law'

Why only half?

 

[Z]

lol, you're mad.

Islamic country by it's population, and not by rule? Ha, no wonder Pakistan is what it is.

 

[Ghazi]

I think people are missing the point here. The idea is that the goverment wouldn't be kufur when they do embrace it.

I'm talking about Britain becoming an Islamic country in terms of population rather then rule.

That won't make a diffrence take a look at somalia 100% muslim population yet they're killing each other left and right, unless you have a system which runs according to the laws of allah it won't be an islamic state.

 

[azim]

'No ones suggesting a top-down implementation of Shariah Law'

Why only half?

I lost you. I meant that if 'Abdullah' was to become Prime Minister of Britain and he implemented Shariah Law, it wouldn't work. No one could handle it.

That is top-down implementation.

However, if 95% of the UK are practising Muslim's who want Shariah law, it'll work as that's the way it was intended to be implemented. I.e. working from the bottom up, at grassroots level.

Islamic country by it's population, and not by rule? Ha, no wonder Pakistan is what it is.

Again, I lost you. I'm suggesting that is it possible from the inhabitants of the UK to become Muslim in large numbers, making Muslims the majority.

Well many of those Muslims seem to think it's wrong to live in a country such as Britain because of not being able to practise Islam or something or the other, and hence why they'd prefer it to be a Muslim country.

Well no one has expressed that opinion so far so why mention it. I think it's easier for me to practise my religion here than it is in my home country. No oppression, easy access to resources and facilities. There's not a problem as of yet.

That won't make a diffrence take a look at somalia 100% muslim population yet they're killing each other left and right, unless you have a system which runs according to the laws of allah it won't be an islamic state.

That's true, but remember Somalia has a troubled past. There's already a government in this country. If the inhabitants become majority Muslim, then things will slowly reform towards an Islamic state naturally. It's happened before.

Anyway, like I said, this topic isnt' even about Khalifah. I just want to discuss who else thinks that Joe in the workplace and Sean down the pub will one day become Muslims.

 

[Z]

Ok, understood. But why Joe and Sean? Shouldn't we make sure Ahmed and Shakilah in Pakistan are practising and good Muslims first?

 

[Nicola]

Well many of those Muslims seem to think it's wrong to live in a country such as Britain because of not being able to practise Islam or something or the other, and hence why they'd prefer it to be a Muslim country.

thanks I understand what you mean now and looking at it that way I agree .

 

[Ghazi]

Ok, understood. But why Joe and Sean? Shouldn't we make sure Ahmed and Shakilah in Pakistan are practising and good Muslims first?

Cause Joe and Sean are ona path to hell fire and need to embrace islam, Ahmed and Shakilah also need to embrace islam are at least if not practasing muslim.

 

[azim]

Ok, understood. But why Joe and Sean? Shouldn't we make sure Ahmed and Shakilah in Pakistan are practising and good Muslims first?

If you're living in Pakistan maybe.

I live in Britain. I work in Britain. I study in Britain. The people I meet are British and the people I make friends with are British. I have no power or control or effect over what Ahmed And Shakilah are doing in Pakistan. I do however have an effect over Joe and Sean who I meet and interact with. I can only work with what I have. Theres no point in me planning to take down the Saudi Monarchy because that is beyond my means. Rather I can plan on establishing dawah in this country, organising talks for the Muslims, helping at the mosque and madrasas. This is what is within my ability to do so this is what I should concentrate on.

 

[Z]

Totally agree. (Azim)

What I was getting at was these (well most) people would not be interested in Islam until everyone gets off Islam's toes which I don't see happening. You can try make differences, but I'm sure they'll ask questions such as why is so and so behaving like that when they're Muslims.

JSC, don't trip on your way out.

 

[azim]

for your information this is what sikhs thought of that video...

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=18408&hl=




admin, im wondering if you have an ounce of commonsence and do the decent thing of deleting all racist posts... or is it only the posts slandering islam you delete?



you guys are discusting. if someone told you "if you stick your fingers up a ducks arse it would **** out money" you would probably say "inashallah" and do it (as u perform similar acts on this board). i ahve to resort to your language to get my message accross. im sure now this msg will be deleted without a doubt.

im gone.

*spits on my wayout*

I'm sorry you were offended by that comment, but it was in no way meant to be an insult to Sikhism. Rather isdhillon made comments regarding supporting the BNP and I posted that video asking the question 'why' more than anything. Please accept my apology, I intended no harm with my comment.

 

[ISDhillon]

lol anybody would think there was an epidemic of white converts, islamic britain i dont think so, even youre politicians in the house of lords have supported all anti-islamic legislation, actually muslims voted in labour in the last election even though a campaign against labour was fought hard by that guy with glasses who comes on the islam channel cant remember his name

 

[azim]

Totally agree. (Azim)

What I was getting at was these (well most) people would not be interested in Islam until everyone gets off Islam's toes which I don't see happening. You can try make differences, but I'm sure they'll ask questions such as why is so and so behaving like that when they're Muslims.

JSC, don't trip on your way out.

I think it's a matter of education regarding the Islamic faith.

For example, when a Christian commits a crime, Christians don't assume it's a Christian teaching because they are familiar with the Christian teaching.

Once non-Muslims become familiar with Muslim teaching, they'll stop making these connections and these questions will no longer be asked.

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings jsc,

While insults have been made, the staff on this forum are trying their best to remove all disrespectful attitudes. You will note from the Sikhism thread how such is the case.

I am not sure what has led you to such drastic decisions, though what you have said is incorrect and I hope you will see that.

We hope you will stay and dialogue with us,

Peace.