No it wasnt good either. But for me things like abortion on demand, homosexual marriages, euthanasia etc are evil. Its a Babilon for me, Sodoma and Gomora. Of course you have right to disagree, but i will stay with my views.
Britain is in 'moral decline'
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No it wasnt good either. But for me things like abortion on demand, homosexual marriages, euthanasia etc are evil. Its a Babilon for me, Sodoma and Gomora. Of course you have right to disagree, but i will stay with my views.
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As Isambard says, "Meh.." It's a myth as even a cursory study of, say, the practical (as opposed to theoretical) morality of 18th and 19th century Europe will show you. I doubt the centuries before were much different, either, although I know less about them. The 'traditional values' in question had far more to do with ostracising those outside the 'norm' who did no harm, and sweeping 'immoral' behaviour under the carpet, than an ocean of moral sweetness and light. Instead of "abortion on demand" for example you had shotgun weddings and back-street abortionists.
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Please name me a "moral" decade
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Some interesting points raise- perhaps the problem is that the word moral is too general..
While it is true that "slavery, feudalism, monopolistic and cold techocratic capitalism, religious wars, lack of sanitation, rampant disease, rebellions and revolts, threat of invasion, kings and nobles kicking you in the pills for fun, lack of rights for all, poor literacy, poor nutrishion for the masses, racism galore." has improved for the better in some parts of the word, sexual morality appears to have gone down, as does manners of dressing and the like.
Some interesting points raise- perhaps the problem is that the word moral is too general..
While it is true that "slavery, feudalism, monopolistic and cold techocratic capitalism, religious wars, lack of sanitation, rampant disease, rebellions and revolts, threat of invasion, kings and nobles kicking you in the pills for fun, lack of rights for all, poor literacy, poor nutrishion for the masses, racism galore." has improved for the better in some parts of the word, sexual morality appears to have gone down, as does manners of dressing and the like.
Id say its a pretty far claim to equate 'imodest dressing' with any of the above.
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Can you point to a better period of time in the United Kingdom?IbnAbdulHakim said:
I would contest that there is anything inherently wrong with 'rock and roll' there.Aaron85 said:
And depending on what you mean by 'sexual liberation', that is not inherently wrong either.
Moral Relativism will perhaps cause disputes.Aaron85 said:
How will Atheism destroy anything?
Abortion is a tricky issue.Aaron85 said:
The other two are entirely consensual (or euthanasia ought to be) and there is nothing wrong with them.
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Probably, but that is because a lot of the things you mentioned aren't moral issues. For example lack of sanitation is not a moral issue, not is the spread of disease.
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if i had a trophy which i could award to the one who succeeds in the most repetition in a forum, sir you would win ! please dont oblige me
It would be if I pooped in your drinking water and said "Screw you!" which is essentially what used to happen between surfs and nobles and later with the textile mills and other industrial waste.
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I think that's the first time I've asked that question on this forum.
I have though, not actually received an answer to it before.
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really lol? im embarassed now :embarrass
well i did answer it before
, i said forget UK as it was never truelly ruled by islam, but look at the caliphate of Umar ibn Al-Khattab, who ruled with 100% pure islamic teachings, and see how his times reigned justice across 3 quarters of the world again i apologise if i offended you previously
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Indeed that was the way of those without Religion and those following misguidance. Let's not forget who bought public sanitization to Europe, The Moors (African Muslims), and also introduced it to the Christians in Spain who slaughtered them during the crusades. They developed the use of public sanitation in the 9th and 10th centuries 700 years before Christian Europe realized it was important to take a bath.
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I misread your statement. I thought you were implying that only irreligious people committed the negatives of history. (or at least what was described in Isambard's post).
Archbishop: Parents as bad as gangs in pressurising children
Martin Hodgson
Saturday September 15, 2007
The Guardian
Middle class children made by their parents to rack up academic and sporting achievements are under pressure similar to young people caught up in gang culture, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
Children were not given the opportunity to grow up at their own pace, said Dr Williams. "What is lacking in children's lives is space. They are pressed into a testing culture, or even into a gang culture; they are bullied and manipulated until they fit in, they never have any time to develop in their own space," he told the Daily Telegraph.
Describing Britain as a "broken" and polarised society, Dr Williams said "There is a level of desolation and dysfunctionality which many people have very little concept of. If you sense that the world you live in is absolutely closed, that for all sorts of reasons you are unable to move outside, if nothing gives you aspirations, there is an imprisonment in that, there is a kind of resentment that comes with that - and a frustration that can boil over in violence and street crime."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,2169879,00.html
Martin Hodgson
Saturday September 15, 2007
The Guardian
Middle class children made by their parents to rack up academic and sporting achievements are under pressure similar to young people caught up in gang culture, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
Children were not given the opportunity to grow up at their own pace, said Dr Williams. "What is lacking in children's lives is space. They are pressed into a testing culture, or even into a gang culture; they are bullied and manipulated until they fit in, they never have any time to develop in their own space," he told the Daily Telegraph.
Describing Britain as a "broken" and polarised society, Dr Williams said "There is a level of desolation and dysfunctionality which many people have very little concept of. If you sense that the world you live in is absolutely closed, that for all sorts of reasons you are unable to move outside, if nothing gives you aspirations, there is an imprisonment in that, there is a kind of resentment that comes with that - and a frustration that can boil over in violence and street crime."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,2169879,00.html
You are being too generous. Muslim rulers also gave the world the first taste of mass genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
That said, "moral decline" is a fallacy put forth by people's ignorance of history.
Overall, people proper alot more because of the rise of the secular state.