British human shield critically hurt

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azim said:
Humanity is based on compassion for others, selfless sacrifice and taking risks in the way of good.

If you were a person in such a situation as the Palestinians - you would pray earnestly that those who are in a position of power have compassion for them, make sacrifices and take risks to benefit them - out of love for humanity.

It is sad you do not believe in the ideals that distinguish mankind as 'evolved' creatures.
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I am sorry brother that you have misunderstood me. I am not sure how you extracted that I don't believe in said ideals, I merely was pointing out that it is not wise to confront those with guns.
Peace.
 
Malsidabym said:
I am sorry brother that you have misunderstood me. I am not sure how you extracted that I don't believe in said ideals, I merely was pointing out that it is not wise to confront those with guns.
Peace.
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But it would be wise to look past that.
 
Cheb said:
I am sorry brother that you have misunderstood me. I am not sure how you extracted that I don't believe in said ideals, I merely was pointing out that it is not wise to confront those with guns.
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But it would be wise to look past that.
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You think? I think it would be brave to confront those with guns, but I also think that it would be foolish. What annoys me is the concern for Corrie compared to the indifference to all the Palestinian victims - presumably she knew that and was willing to risk it.

However no one has clear and well thought out positions on these issues. Look at the hostility expressed towards Professor Kimber who was trying something similar in Iraq. Would Corrie's death have meant les if she wanted to convert people to Christianity?
 
HeiGou said:
You think? I think it would be brave to confront those with guns, but I also think that it would be foolish. What annoys me is the concern for Corrie compared to the indifference to all the Palestinian victims - presumably she knew that and was willing to risk it.
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Well whos fault is that. This is the world we live in. You are correct though.

HeiGou said:
However no one has clear and well thought out positions on these issues. Look at the hostility expressed towards Professor Kimber who was trying something similar in Iraq. Would Corrie's death have meant les if she wanted to convert people to Christianity?
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Maybe. It really does depend on what the intentions are.
 
Kember was an innocent man. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, whether he was a missionary or not is irrelevant - he's still a human being.

The subject of the article was also an innocent person. Though I don't agree with using oneself as a human shield, I see the nobility and bravery in such gestures. I think a better approach would be to help out off the battlefield, since deliberately entering one unarmed, while ballsy, is also a grotesquely high risk situation which can easily be avoided.
 
Greetings and peace to you all,

Ok we have had a number of posts questioning the sanity of human shields, but do you think that human shields can achieve any good?

In the spirit of seeking justice for the oppressed

Eric
 
Im sure that human sheilds can make a diffrence cos Israelis are scared wen the authoritites of the country the peace activist came from get involved and demand answers, but knowing the Israeli army, they will shoot a DONUT!

"aaakkkk Donut is going to blow itself up, Put on ur hanakas and shoot it with pride"
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace to you all,

Ok we have had a number of posts questioning the sanity of human shields, but do you think that human shields can achieve any good?

In the spirit of seeking justice for the oppressed

Eric
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Yeah, they could achieve good. It could be seen as a noble gesture depending on the circumstances.

But I'm too cynical to want to run unarmed into a battlefield hoping for everyone to stop shooting. :)
 
Muezzin said:
Yeah, they could achieve good. It could be seen as a noble gesture depending on the circumstances.

But I'm too cynical to want to run unarmed into a battlefield hoping for everyone to stop shooting. :)
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I would say you are showing some wisdom.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace to you all,

Ok we have had a number of posts questioning the sanity of human shields, but do you think that human shields can achieve any good?

In the spirit of seeking justice for the oppressed

Eric
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I think it's idiotic and ends with you being dead.
 
Cheb said:
But it does not mean no good was achieved. At least they died for a righteous cause, something that most of us will never achieve.
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We have a saying in the Christian world. The road to Hell is paved in good intentions.
 
Cheb said:
Do explain?
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Just because you have good intentions doesn't mean what you have done was righteous or in God's Will. It could have been in God's Will for Corrie to stay in the US, become a politician, and put pressure on Israel to change it policies but because of free will she chose to go to Gaza and become hamburger.
 
knuckles said:
Just because you have good intentions doesn't mean what you have done was righteous or in God's Will. It could have been in God's Will for Corrie to stay in the US, become a politician, and put pressure on Israel to change it policies but because of free will she chose to go to Gaza and become hamburger.
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True. But in the end different perspectives will have different opinions. Maybe she could have become a politician but maybe she would not have accomplished as much. In the end it is God who will judge her and not us.
 
Cheb said:
True. But in the end different perspectives will have different opinions. Maybe she could have become a politician but maybe she would not have accomplished as much. In the end it is God who will judge her and not us.
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What did she accomplish by getting ran over by a bulldozer?
 
knuckles said:
What did she accomplish by getting ran over by a bulldozer?
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Unfortunately, she got more attention that a 3 year old boy would have. People need to see what is actually going on there. The way she died might not do much but people will likely want to know why she was there in the first place. Opening some peoples eyes would be an accomplishment.
 
What did the US Accomplish by Iraq?

Oh thats right over 100k civilians dead and wait

over 2500 US Soldiers dead

And almost on the brink of Civil war BUT!

Lets protect those Oil Wells!
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
What did the US Accomplish by Iraq?

Oh thats right over 100k civilians dead and wait

over 2500 US Soldiers dead

And almost on the brink of Civil war BUT!

Lets protect those Oil Wells!
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But think what the US could have accomlished in Iraq if things had worked out as the Bush administration wanted - a free, peaceful, prosperous, federal, democratic Iraq that would act as a soruce of economic growth in the region and a beacon of light to democrats elsewhere (especially Saudi Arabia et a). It has not worked out in retrospect, but at the time, do you think it would have seemed a waste of time?
 

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