Brits kick out child cremators

[S_87]

As is a favorite statement around here "What double standards"; on this post one is too many, if it is the Taliban or AQI doing the killing it is no big deal

well thats where ur wrong so learn a few things before saying that

Recent news as well as old has confirmed from OBL's mouth time and time again that he was responsible. I wish you could see what an ignoramous a statement like that makes you look like

i wish you could see what an ignoramous you must be to believe with all the technology the superpower of the world cannot find a man who has nothing better to do than dress up and release another hollywood movie.

Which is exactly what you have done here. People in Gitmo are POW sorry about their luck, but they are held as prisoners. What about the Taliban holding those Koreans? Or burning children to death? At least we can say we dont do that.

if you can bring solid proof the taliban did that please bring. and confirm what you think a taliban member is.

Yes, this is usually true, accompanied with a roadside bomb or an AK-47 and a village full of people scared for their life, then the perpetrators can probably be considered Taliban

hey thats a good classification.

yes perhaps we should use serious military force and actually kill indiscriminately as you accuse, it would cost much less money and kill much more effectively, however it is kind of sad how you would condemn all the other Muslims around the Taliban to death just to prove the point that the american military has shown extreme restraint since day 1

youve already done that...

Poppy growing actually increased during the Talibans reign until 2000 and it only decreased then because of the worst drought to have hit Afghanistan in nearly a century. Notice how Taliban controlled regions are the highest opium producers in the world, what do you say about that? Seems you could be the one practicing idiocy... BY the way, you could say anything you hear is propoganda, I cant tell you how sick I am of hearing that word. Everything everyone tells you is propoganda, it is just which propoganda you choose to side with, it seems you side with the illogical and ignorant side.

umm under shariah law which u guys think the taliban was trying to put up... extreme shariah law that is.. any form of drugs is totally totally forbidden. it is something well known the taliban tried to stop poppy cultivation, though it may not have been 100% effective.

Great. Then condem the Market bombers...condem the Iraqi death squads.

Go on...
Ahh! You cant.
Weird eh?

and who gave you the right to think you know anything about me?
i cant? well that shows your ignorance. i have and will continue to condemn ANYONE who kills. that means those who did 11/9, 7/7, the madrid bombings, those car bombers AND those made iraq and afghanistan what they are today.

 

[barney]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/09/wafg409.xml


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1171369.ece

Kinda short of time here, so Just a 30 second top-of-the head thing,
Heres your mates in their happy place.

 

[Rou]

Dude, you have a head on your shoulders quite clearly,If you think that the US presence is now defined by US Government officials in snap-brimmed fedoras and mirrorshades telling people how to run their country, then i suspect nothing will change your mind. But i would invite you to delve deeply into this idea, and from both sides of the coin. Good luck with it, and keep your mind as open as you can.

The US diddnt create Israel. It was a United Nations directive following the UK abandoning palastine in the face of Jewish terrorist and Palastinian terrorist civil war.

The US did what it could by supporting a "jewish homeland".But the UN was in agreement. So perhaps take out the aggro on the United Nations?

Anyway, once a fait accomplie is in place, theres the options. Fight or Talk. The Arabs have tried fighting and failed. For 30 odd years they have been trying terror and failed...so perhaps ..y'know, mayby talk now?

If Kuwait grew carrots would we have given a monkeys?
Mayby not. But it was the same nation that Pitched in within the same decade for Somalia's "oil", for Kosovo's "Oil" and gave billions to starving muslims, as it does today, every year. This is the nation that rebuilt the world out of its own pocket after WW2 destroyed it.

The Bloated Capitalist Pig-Dog yankee loves war cos it's big buisness?
I wont quote statistics at you. Check for yourself what Iraq or Afganistan costs the US financially.
Check for yourself who receives Iraq's oil money and what it's spent on.
Check for yourself if the majority of Iraqi's themselves want coalition troops there right now, Check when they want them to leave. Bear in mind when you do, that this is a nation fed on hatred of america for a generation. In everything they ever learned and everything they ever saw.

I know that the West in many ways is corrupt and isnt perfect. It makes mistakes, it makes wrong decisions, it has corruption. I know all this and yet know that it is doing its best in very trying circumstances. We are looking very clearly at the end of Humanity if this snowballs. Thats something to take seriously alright.

The UN being the bulk of UK and USA at the time are the ones who made the decison to set up home in palastine but tell me what sort of democracy is it to set up shop in another land with no choice of the people who live there? how does that make sense? anyhow indeed we will not go into a drawn out debate of the fate of israel, however you state that the USA built up the world??? let me explain that to come into another mans home take his money and then use majority of it to build your home then use whats left to give back to the man is not helping him...its saving face...

i do not say anything to the human spirit of many americans there are alot of good people there but i can tell you majority of them are not in politics there and those who are, are kept quite...

my aim here is not to show the fact that americans as people are wrong no my point is the fact that the goverment that is allowed to run the people there is wrong and yes unfortunatly the people are allowing it...

alot are standing up to it but alot more need to stand up and face what there country is doing in there name is wrong...not defend its forign polcies to the eath just because they are american!??

i do not defend those in my religon that do evil!? no i state clearly that they are not as islamic as they beleive and they will pay for what they do...i do not sit and blindly let them continue in my name and the name of islam!?

i show people that there is a massive diffrence between real muslims and those who want war beacuse it fills there pockets and those who spread the word of war not to protect the innocent but to widen there pockets!

as for the growing of carrots you see but that is the most importa nt things it proves the motives of those behind the cogs of america and the people must see this!? they are doing no one any favours it takes a far braver man to admit that his country is doing something wrong than to just sit there and defend certain aspects of it!?

Islam says to protect the innocent and defend your land.....

To those who do it may allah bless you and give you strength and support but to those who cause mischief to continue this war for there own gain wether western or so called muslims may allah give you back the suffering you cause so many ten fold.

I know the wrongs of those on my side the west must understand the so many wrongs its leaders do in there names..only then will you be able to truly see the coin at all...forget which side you see...

Peace be upon you.

 

[Cognescenti]

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but what about the eye witness accounts of many of the innocent freed from guntanamo mate who state the quran being stamped on and urinated on? what of the offical guards dressed in riot gear rushing anyone who would try to pray? what of the cages they are kept in and not given access to water? ...

From where do you get these notions? I suspect it is from folks who have that wide-eyed look of hate and more than a little spittle at the corner of their mouth.

Here are some pictures of Camp Delta:

Here are some of the medium security area...apparently the goons in riot gear are just off camera

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_delta-pics.htm

 

[barney]

For examples of how the US rebuilt the world, simply google Marshall Plan. I havnt the time to explain it in detail.

As for robbing a land to build your own home, simply look at Americas oil imports where they are from. Look at Iraq's oil exports, find out where they go.
Check out how much money the US spends on Iraq. Check out how much Aid any other nation gives. You'll find the top donaters are Kuffar. The Ummah nations give literally peanuts.

Of course, you dont have to do any of this, you can beleive the stories you are fed. Thats fine, but unless you are willing to think for yourself, you will just be with the masses following the bandwagon.

Regards

 

[Rou]

For examples of how the US rebuilt the world, simply google Marshall Plan. I havnt the time to explain it in detail.

As for robbing a land to build your own home, simply look at Americas oil imports where they are from. Look at Iraq's oil exports, find out where they go.
Check out how much money the US spends on Iraq. Check out how much Aid any other nation gives. You'll find the top donaters are Kuffar. The Ummah nations give literally peanuts.

Of course, you dont have to do any of this, you can beleive the stories you are fed. Thats fine, but unless you are willing to think for yourself, you will just be with the masses following the bandwagon.

Regards

I accept your offer as i have no issue in looking for further knowledge but i urge you one thing....you too should look around at the truth behind what you call donations to countries while others are given sanctions to give money to one country that u favour at one pointthen to another when u do not is not a balanced world it is playing with economy and also my friend when you have done so much to harm a nation and then give them oney as donations its called saving face...

as you stated oil from the middle east goes to the USa indeed but the money they give is but to keep happy the officals that sell there people and it is better for the west that those officals stay in there pockets as its a give and take relationship that has been set up over many years those people have been put in place bythe US check history of the saudis and see how much of a hand the USA have had , search the so called arab leaders and there links to the power of the white house!? while the west grows the middle east must stay in limbo for a nation with economy and a people who can think for themselves are a risk to tis buissness of give and take...

they would demand what is owed to them and that would be pricy and risky as the power would shift....

what you call aid i call money to fix that which you caused....if it helps them sleep at night then good for them all it is . is saving face...

 

[Rou]

From where do you get these notions? I suspect it is from folks who have that wide-eyed look of hate and more than a little spittle at the corner of their mouth.

Here are some pictures of Camp Delta:

Here are some of the medium security area...apparently the goons in riot gear are just off camera

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/gtmo_camp-delta-4_rec-yard_arrow-s.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/gtmo_camp-delta-4_prayersign-s.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_delta-pics.htm

Very nice pictures ...i love the artistic angles...hint hint!?

yes you are correct there are no soilders in riot gear and no stammping of qurans how silly of me to beleive eye witness's who have been locked up there with no proof and have done nothing wrong nor have reason to lie your right they keep them well fed and they sit at tables and wash every day...and torture what torture?? what a silly notion...

guess they are praying hey?

Ample room hey? rapists and murderers get bigger cells than this...

 

[barney]

I dont understand. You were going to post some pictures of US torture. I think you just mistakenly posted the same old pics of prisoners behind bars.

The "Torture" that the prisoners receive is being played music, sleep depravation and being told to look at pictures of women in bikini's.

Rapists might get bigger cells in say Saudi, if you happen to call a coffin a bigger cell. However Rape Victims only get 50 lashes, or 200 on appeal.

 

[Cognescenti]

Very nice pictures ...i love the artistic angles...hint hint!?...

guess they are praying hey?...

Yes. Quite possibly. They are thanking God they are being held by Americans and not the Russians. These chaps are being processed in. They have masks on so they cant bite or spit. They have shackles on so they don't kill the guards. I am willing to bet this picture is right after these innocents became guests of the USMC..probably about 2003..judging from the primitive state of the camp.

...

Ample room hey? rapists and murderers get bigger cells than this...

Well...many of them are murderers. Again, these were temporary facilities before permanent facilities were completed. Probably about 2003.

It's like this pal. It seems, when the US was secretly planning its super-secret crusade to take over the super-secret Afghnistan oil pipelines and generally exterminate all the muslims in the world they had not yet planned to have any detainees. I know this seems almost absurd, but when the CIA and Mossad were conspiring in a super-secret plan to blow up the WTC and blame it on Al Queda (which, of course, they made up in the first place) they forgot to tell the guy in charge of Gitmo to get ready.

Do you have any more slides?

 

[barney]

Yeah, the pics are 2003, the same ones rolled out evry time.

Bit of a waste of time linking pictures of Saudi, Syrian and Iranian prisoners.

They would be " Lies" and "Photoshopped" as everyone knows that America has the worst and the Middle East has the most humane, detention centres.

The cell John Peters and the other POW's were held in was ankle deep in faeces and the torture was car batteries to the head which blew out fillings on some prisoners.

It wasnt providing Bibles, Square 3 course meals and forcing them to listen to Christina Aguilara.


Although, actually, Christina is pretty horrific.

 

[Talha777]

Astaghfar those pictures are very disturbing. Most of these are young boys who were basically picked up by the US army for no reason and sent to the torture chamber of guantanamo. May Allah hasten their freedom and may He punish those who mistreat and abuse the innocent Muslims. Ameen.

 

[Resigned]

Astaghfar those pictures are very disturbing. Most of these are young boys who were basically picked up by the US army for no reason and sent to the torture chamber of guantanamo. May Allah hasten their freedom and may He punish those who mistreat and abuse the innocent Muslims. Ameen.

That's all very melodramatic but why would you think that anyone would believe you making things up as you go along?

 

[MTAFFI]

well thats where ur wrong so learn a few things before saying that

My most sincere apologies... one question, why then do you support the Taliban when they have killed and been the reason for far more civilian deaths than all the occupation forces?

i wish you could see what an ignoramous you must be to believe with all the technology the superpower of the world cannot find a man who has nothing better to do than dress up and release another hollywood movie.

Just because we are technologically advanced doesnt mean we can see through mountain does it? Imagine a game of hide and seek in those mountains... The problem is we arent in a hollywood movie, the people that died on 9/11 were the result of a real man, that man is OBL, he has admitted to it on many occasions, that man is in hiding and he will be found and he will die or even better be locked up until he dies on Rikers Island in the maximum security side where hopefully he can be the pet of some guy named Big Nasty.

if you can bring solid proof the taliban did that please bring. and confirm what you think a taliban member is.

They aided and abetted the person responsible for 9/11 and therefore qualify as guilty by association. They could have handed him over but instead chose war, that is there fault not ours.

hey thats a good classification.

Thanks

youve already done that...

already done what? Shown extreme retraint? Yes I would agree with you there

umm under shariah law which u guys think the taliban was trying to put up... extreme shariah law that is.. any form of drugs is totally totally forbidden. it is something well known the taliban tried to stop poppy cultivation, though it may not have been 100% effective.

How about it wasnt effective at all, as I said the poppy production continually increased during Taliban control until the drought. Just like it has increased in areas they control now, if it is so much against Shariah and the Taliban are truly mujahideen and they are simply trying to implement it then please provide an explanation for all of this? They are no more than sick backwards men who are stuck back 1000 years because the rest of the world left them behind, they never have been anything and they never will be anything, they are paying their sins in this world and hopefully the next.

Hopefully we can stop our conversation here, because the dialogue is somewhat ridiculous and simplistic, you arent really providing much entertainment or intellectual stimulation.
:thankyou:

 

[MTAFFI]

The UN being the bulk of UK and USA at the time are the ones who made the decison to set up home in palastine but tell me what sort of democracy is it to set up shop in another land with no choice of the people who live there? how does that make sense?

How about the result of WW2? Has land not been conquered, taken and redrawn time and time again throughout the history of man? This land was surrendered to the British by the Ottoman empire, thus making it British land. Also, the people there were given plenty of choice, however they chose to fight again the large influx of jewish settlers and then chose to leave Israel because of the impending Arab attack. Why should they be allowed back in? Why would a country allow enemy combatants to enter their territory knowing what the result would be, does this not seem stupid to you? The Arab countries tried to reconquer this land and could not, they lost time and time again. I hate to be the one to have to break it this way every time but land is often the spoils of war, and Israel has certainly won it fair share of engagements

 

[barney]

When four nations simultaniously attack a weaker country with its back to the sea and surrounded on all sides, throwing over 2000 tanks against less than 100, with technologically superior weapons like the T64. Dosnt the very fact that all four muslim nations got thrown back in repeated horrific defeats, tell you something about wether Allah wants the Muslims to destroy Israel?To retake the land?
Or is it just repeated, and severe "tests of faith"

 

[Rou]

Yeah, the pics are 2003, the same ones rolled out evry time.

Bit of a waste of time linking pictures of Saudi, Syrian and Iranian prisoners.

They would be " Lies" and "Photoshopped" as everyone knows that America has the worst and the Middle East has the most humane, detention centres.

The cell John Peters and the other POW's were held in was ankle deep in faeces and the torture was car batteries to the head which blew out fillings on some prisoners.

It wasnt providing Bibles, Square 3 course meals and forcing them to listen to Christina Aguilara.


Although, actually, Christina is pretty horrific.

There seems no point to talk here no show facts do you not understand the diffrence between a so called democratic country doing things and a non democratic country ?? do you not see the hypocrisy in what is happening here!??

you take on country that states it is trying to free another from torture and cruelty but by doing what!??! inflicting the very same things???

how does that make sense?? what are photoshops? have you looked at the pictures and what of the eyewitness accounts? what of the soilders who have been discharged for there crueltey and rapes???

are these all photoshops pictures?? what of the pics from abu gharib were those photo shops??

when will it end??

ok your right those pictures of the prisons in middle east were bas u say the beheading was bad the kidnapping was bad...do you not see the diffrence between a band of nobodys doing this and the united states of america doing this????????????

This war is wrong the united states is wrong and in denial! the bands of wrong doers in middle east who call themselves muslim and then torture innocents are wrong but who are more wrong!!

but those who deny what is happening to innocents just beacuse they are part of a creed or country are far worse they hide the pain that the innocent suffer just beacuse of there own ego! and thats sick!

May allah give peace to the innocent who suffer at the hands of evil...and may he give sight to the blind who allow these things to continue....

 

[Rou]

I dont understand. You were going to post some pictures of US torture. I think you just mistakenly posted the same old pics of prisoners behind bars.

The "Torture" that the prisoners receive is being played music, sleep depravation and being told to look at pictures of women in bikini's.

Rapists might get bigger cells in say Saudi, if you happen to call a coffin a bigger cell. However Rape Victims only get 50 lashes, or 200 on appeal.

for one i never stated i would show pictures of torture mate? it was eye witness accounts who were releassed as they were innocent but were still held for excess of 3 years look it up...second you think rape victims get 50 lashes?? 200 on appeal??? if these are the facts you are going by then i suggest you seriously take a look around....

if you beleive such rubbish then you will beleive anything....

where does it state that rape VICTIMS will be lashed??? how does that even make sense??????

no where in islam does it state that i suggest you not beleive everything you read on the net....

 

[Rou]

Yes. Quite possibly. They are thanking God they are being held by Americans and not the Russians. These chaps are being processed in. They have masks on so they cant bite or spit. They have shackles on so they don't kill the guards. I am willing to bet this picture is right after these innocents became guests of the USMC..probably about 2003..judging from the primitive state of the camp.

...

Well...many of them are murderers. Again, these were temporary facilities before permanent facilities were completed. Probably about 2003.

It's like this pal. It seems, when the US was secretly planning its super-secret crusade to take over the super-secret Afghnistan oil pipelines and generally exterminate all the muslims in the world they had not yet planned to have any detainees. I know this seems almost absurd, but when the CIA and Mossad were conspiring in a super-secret plan to blow up the WTC and blame it on Al Queda (which, of course, they made up in the first place) they forgot to tell the guy in charge of Gitmo to get ready.

Do you have any more slides?

The fact that you think this type of treatment is ok at all seems to suprise me so its ok for some blokes from afgan and iran but its cruel when its to an american??? Ok?? whatever you say mate...good morals you have there...

guilty before proven innocent i like your style the fact being many innocents were held & tortured without proof or trial in a democratic country and no one seems to have a problem with that yet you have problems with saddam gassing kurds???

hypocrisy is strife....

 

[Rou]

How about the result of WW2? Has land not been conquered, taken and redrawn time and time again throughout the history of man? This land was surrendered to the British by the Ottoman empire, thus making it British land. Also, the people there were given plenty of choice, however they chose to fight again the large influx of jewish settlers and then chose to leave Israel because of the impending Arab attack. Why should they be allowed back in? Why would a country allow enemy combatants to enter their territory knowing what the result would be, does this not seem stupid to you? The Arab countries tried to reconquer this land and could not, they lost time and time again. I hate to be the one to have to break it this way every time but land is often the spoils of war, and Israel has certainly won it fair share of engagements

I love the wya people see it there way to make themselves feel better....
when south korea and north korea have issues USA is honor bound to protect the innocent.... when iraq has evil as saddam the USA is honor bound to save them from them dumb selves but when it comes to making a decison on palastinians in there own land being murdered oh thats ok as theres more intrest in leaving israel in charge its called a foot hold mate....

spoils of war you say then i say give the palastinians a fair chance to win it back as you put it....

 

[Rou]

When four nations simultaniously attack a weaker country with its back to the sea and surrounded on all sides, throwing over 2000 tanks against less than 100, with technologically superior weapons like the T64. Dosnt the very fact that all four muslim nations got thrown back in repeated horrific defeats, tell you something about wether Allah wants the Muslims to destroy Israel?To retake the land?
Or is it just repeated, and severe "tests of faith"

Test not what allah wants...nor his judgment..allah has stated no such thing to destroy israel...palastinians want not israel destroyed they want there homes back they wish to live as humans if you do not understand the wrong which is happening there then what will you see the wrong of teh rest of the world???

your right the west is saving us all...what a saviour.....*claps*