Brussels mayor bans upcoming anti-Islam protest

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The banners don't even make sense, who is trying to implement islamic law in Europe
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There are some organizations, maybe not many but influential, for example Muslim Brotherhood in Europe and others. I dont say that average muslim citizen living in Europe thinks only how to conquer Europe. But there are groups and organizations who plan this and organize.
 
Suddenly this reminded me a situation from my country. Two years ago, president of Warsaw (now president of Poland) banned gay parade in our capital. He said that it might have led to violence and agression between gays and football hooligans. And you know what, this decision was completely condemned by europeans, also by EU parliament.Our country was named as homophobic, untolerant etc etc. And now where is their reaction? :confused:

i wouldnt condemn your president! he did a very good thing, good man, good job, more presidents should be like him and should ban these disgusting gay lezbian parades.

but also the reason why leaders may have not condemned this incident is because its very different, for instance the mayor banned NEO-NAZI RIGHT WINGERS! most politicians and people dont like them anyway, and know they are simple racist thugs. you cant compare these people with gay men in leather jackets!
 
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The banners don't even make sense, who is trying to implement islamic law in Europe?

I agree. Although there are some attempts here and there to implement some Islamic law, such as in family law. And of course, occasionally there some vigilante justice trying to enforce bans on alcohol. But all this is so marginal. These guys are paranoid.

I have to agree that this demonstration appears to be inciting hate and discrimination against a minority.

More hateful than, say, an anti-zionism demonstration? They are held quite frequently as well, despite the fact that noone is trying to implement zionism in Europe either ;).

Or is it 'inciting hatred' mainly because Muslims are a minority here? Because essentially the same protest was held in Turkey earlier this year. Should that march, which close to a million people joined, also have been banned?

This is always so confusing. Islam is a culture. Islam is a religion. Islam is a political ideology. Islam is a system of law. Which parts can you demonstrate against? None? Thats unfair as well, no? Other political ideologies and systems of laws can be demonstrated against. Is it prohibited to protest the Sharia, but allowed to protest against the, say, capitalist system?
 
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Other political ideologies and systems of laws can be demonstrated against. Is it prohibited to protest the Sharia, but allowed to protest against the, say, capitalist system?
But Sharia is from god. :skeleton:
 
This is always so confusing. Islam is a culture. Islam is a religion. Islam is a political ideology. Islam is a system of law. Which parts can you demonstrate against? None? Thats unfair as well, no? Other political ideologies and systems of laws can be demonstrated against. Is it prohibited to protest the Sharia, but allowed to protest against the, say, capitalist system?

Well, when you put it that way... just goes to show how protected we are from all directions! :D
 
But Sharia is from god. :skeleton:

Ameen. How can someone give any other human analogy any credit? Infact I'll show you somthing.

One of the things that nullify ones Islam:

4. Anyone who believes any guidance to be more perfect, or a decision other than the Prophets decision to be better, is an unbeliever. This applies to those who prefer the rule of Evil (Taghout) to the Prophets rule.

Some examples of this are:

(a) To believe that systems and laws made by human beings are better than the Shariah of Islaam; for example,
That the Islaamic system is not suitable for the twentieth century.
That Islaam is the cause of the backwardness of the Muslims.
Or that al-Islaam is a relationship beween Allaah and the Muslim. It should not interfere in other aspects of life.

(b)To say that enforcing the punishments prescibed Allaah, such as cutting off the hand of the theif or the stoning of an adulterer, is not suitable for this day and age.

(c) To believe that it is permissible to give a rule from that which Allaah did not reveal in Islamic transactions or matters of law, punishments or other affairs. Although one may not believe such things to be superior to the Shari'ah he in effect affirms such a stand by declaring a thing which Allaah has totally prohibited, such as adultery, drinking alcohol or usury, to be permissible. According to the consensus of the Muslims, one who declares
such things to be permissible is an unbeliever (Kafir)

This makes sense, as, how can you say a human has the same capability? :).

Just because not everyone believes doesnt discredit it. To this day no one can contradict the Quran or hadith as wrong, care to explain why we should belittle them to a mere ideology or political notion? Or do we label it according to what you believe, lets be serious now!
 
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The problem is that majority of europeans dont want to live under sharia law.Otherwise they would convert to islam already. And muslims always try to impose sharia wherever they live, in Europe too. And here you have the conflict.
 
The problem is that majority of europeans dont want to live under sharia law.Otherwise they would convert to islam already. And muslims always try to impose sharia wherever they live, in Europe too. And here you have the conflict.

Well put. Muslims want shariyah laws when they are in minority in any country. But they abandon shariyah in their own countries. :D . Grand show of hypocricy as I always feel.
 
Well put. Muslims want shariyah laws when they are in minority in any country. But they abandon shariyah in their own countries. :D . Grand show of hypocricy as I always feel.

actually you --- no muslims in the west are trying to force sharia, secondly there is a difference between the muslims in the west and the muslim world. the ones in the west are mainly reverts hence they have more zeal for their faith so they say they want sharia law because they are better muslims than the ones in the muslim world who accept secular ways rather than sharia.

hence it is not hypocracy as you narrow-mindedly say, it is two groups of muslims who have a different way of seeing things.

thirdly you said it yourself, in the west these muslims are a MINORITY hence when they make a statement or something they get much more attention, however so in the muslim world no one takes much attention when ppl call for sharia since it is the muslim world so no one takes much attention.

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actually ---no Muslims in the west are trying to force sharia, secondly there is a difference between the Muslims in the west and the Muslim world. the ones in the west are mainly reverts hence they have more zeal for their faith so they say they want (ONLY THEMSELVES TO LIVE BY) sharia law because they are better Muslims than the ones in the Muslim world who accept secular ways rather than sharia.

hence it is not hypocrisy as you narrow-mindedly say, it is two groups of Muslims who have a different way of seeing things.

thirdly you said it yourself, in the west these Muslims are a MINORITY hence when they make a statement or something they get much more attention, however so in the Muslim world no one takes much attention when people call for sharia since it is the Muslim world so no one pays much attention.
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actually ---no muslims in the west are trying to force sharia, secondly there is a difference between the muslims in the west and the muslim world. the ones in the west are mainly reverts hence they have more zeal for their faith so they say they want sharia law because they are better muslims than the ones in the muslim world who accept secular ways rather than sharia.

hence it is not hypocracy as you narrow-mindedly say, it is two groups of muslims who have a different way of seeing things.

thirdly you said it yourself, in the west these muslims are a MINORITY hence when they make a statement or something they get much more attention, however so in the muslim world no one takes much attention when ppl call for sharia since it is the muslim world so no one takes much attention.

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First of all my dear brother, thanks a ton for ur decent language. Actually I would have been pleased to reciprocate, but unfortunately my religion doesnt allows me to speak such decent words, unlike urs.

Secondly brother, plz check ur facts again when U say that muslims in the west are mainly converts. For instance are the number of muslims converts in UK is greater than muslims migrants?

Thirdly brother, every misdeed, every sin has its own justification. I have been hearing lots and lots of justifications from so called muslims for not living under shariyah in any country of the world.

And finally brother, I again put my point that muslims are the biggest bunch of hypocrites in terms of religion. A negligible few want to live under shariyah. It is very much evident by seeing no muslim nation adopting shariyah as the laws of its land.

Once again thanks for ur decent language, I hope U will repeat it and feel blessed.

Peace.
 
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I have been hearing lots and lots of justifications from so called muslims for not living under shariyah in any country of the world.

They are wrong.

I'll repeat:

4. Anyone who believes any guidance to be more perfect, or a decision other than the Prophets decision to be better, is an unbeliever. This applies to those who prefer the rule of Evil (Taghout) to the Prophets rule.

Some examples of this are:

(a) To believe that systems and laws made by human beings are better than the Shariah of Islaam; for example,
That the Islaamic system is not suitable for the twentieth century.
That Islaam is the cause of the backwardness of the Muslims.
Or that al-Islaam is a relationship beween Allaah and the Muslim. It should not interfere in other aspects of life.

(b)To say that enforcing the punishments prescibed Allaah, such as cutting off the hand of the theif or the stoning of an adulterer, is not suitable for this day and age.

(c) To believe that it is permissible to give a rule from that which Allaah did not reveal in Islamic transactions or matters of law, punishments or other affairs. Although one may not believe such things to be superior to the Shari'ah he in effect affirms such a stand by declaring a thing which Allaah has totally prohibited, such as adultery, drinking alcohol or usury, to be permissible. According to the consensus of the Muslims, one who declares
such things to be permissible is an unbeliever (Kafir)

Under things which makes one come out of Islam

No one said this world has perfect Muslims, infact far from it.
 
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