Building Bridges

[mahdisoldier19]

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Salam Alaikam

I have a story to share with you all hopefully Inshallah you all will grasp the concept. A father wanted his 3 sons to learn the best of religion. So one day the father sent his first son Ishmael to a rabbi to learn about Judaism and its prophets. Then he sent his second son John to learn about Christianity by a priest and its prophets. Then he sent his third Son Ahmed to an Imam.

1 year later all 3 sons return. The Father is overjoyed with all the knowledge they have to tell him. So he ask his first son Ishmael what did you learn? Ishmael said in the beginning we accepted, then worshipped a golden calf, now we worship God but deny the messiah that had been sent. Then his father asked which prophets did you learn about? Ishmael said oh only Moses. So the father was abit dissapointed but hasted to his second son john. He asked john what did you learn? John said i learned that Moses was indeed a prophet of God and that the jews denied their messiah my prophet Jesus who preached Onesness of God, but after years people started to believe Jesus was the son of God. So the father asked which prophets did you learn about ? John said Jesus. The father was very upset he wanted extensively knowledge on all the prophets and began to be depressed. When a few mins later he saw Ahmed running to his father with a smile. The father said oh SON! what did you learn from the IMAM. Oh father i learned about the religion of Abraham All the way to Judaism and christianity and Islam. The father said Abraham? The son said yes i have knowledge of Prophets from Nuh to Muhammad sws. The father was impressed and what is your belief towards God? the Son said oh There is no father no son. The jews denied their Messiah who will eventually kill the antichrist. I have come to tell you father that there is no God but God and Muhammad sws is the messanger of Allah swt.

So you see thats the difference. Islam just doesnt cover itself. It describes the truthness of All the religions before it Till Noah(Nuh).

I hope you all understand the story

wow i just made that story guys nice huh?

 

[Muhammad]

Re: building bridges

Greetings,

Sorry for the late reply...

well see in Genesis 1:1 it states In the Beginning God Created the earth ( this is the Father side of Him ) then in Genesis 1:3 God said ( the Word; everything was made through the Word(Jesus)) "Let there be Light," and there was light.

so God gave us His words in the flesh in the beginning God made us through the Word and in the end we will be brought to God through the Word.
if you understand that.

This concept of the 'Word' is a bit difficult for me to grasp, I must admit.

In Islam, God's Word is also mentioned, though I believe it carries a different meaning...

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.




In his commentary of this verse, the famous scholar Ibn Kathir writes:

(And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) means, He said, (Be) and he was. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ahmad bin Sinan Al-Wasiti said that he heard Shadh bin Yahya saying about Allah's statement, (and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) "`Isa was not the word. Rather, `Isa came to existence because of the word.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that `Ubadah bin As-Samit said that the Prophet said:
(If anyone testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger, and that `Isa is Allah's servant and Messenger and His Word which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true and Hell is true, then Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he performed.) In another narration, the Prophet said, (...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it.

Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement: (And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all from Him.) meaning, from His creation. `from Him' does not mean that it is a part of Him, as the Christians claim. Saying that something is from Allah, such as the spirit of Allah, the she-camel of Allah or the House of Allah, is meant to honor such items. (Quote modified)​

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16:40 For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it is. ​

in Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,"

as John 14:27 ( my favorite verse in the our Holy Book says ) which I will say to: My Peace I give you and my peace I leave with you.

Islam is quite different with respect to God and His creation sharing any likeness...

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. [112:1-4]

So the idea of God sending a part of Himself in human form is considered unbefitting for His Majesty in Islam, as is any likening of Him to His Creation.

42:11 (He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).

PS Muhammad I am trying to read the Qur'an aswell

That is great to hear! I am sure that it will help you understand much more about Islam and clarify any doubts or questions you may have. Please feel free to ask any such questions should the need arise.

according to the injeel ( new word I learned ) Luke1:50- His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation.

Other similar verses include:

7:156 ... My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;-

6:12 Say: "To whom belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth?" Say: "To Allah. He hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy...

4:175 Then those who believe in Allah, and hold fast to Him,- soon will He admit them to mercy and grace from Himself, and guide them to Himself by a straight way.

Peace.

 

[PrIM3]

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Greetings,

Sorry for the late reply...



This concept of the 'Word' is a bit difficult for me to grasp, I must admit.

In Islam, God's Word is also mentioned, though I believe it carries a different meaning...

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.




In his commentary of this verse, the famous scholar Ibn Kathir writes:

(And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) means, He said, (Be) and he was. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ahmad bin Sinan Al-Wasiti said that he heard Shadh bin Yahya saying about Allah's statement, (and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) "`Isa was not the word. Rather, `Isa came to existence because of the word.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that `Ubadah bin As-Samit said that the Prophet said:
(If anyone testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger, and that `Isa is Allah's servant and Messenger and His Word which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true and Hell is true, then Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he performed.) In another narration, the Prophet said, (...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it.

Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement: (And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all from Him.) meaning, from His creation. `from Him' does not mean that it is a part of Him, as the Christians claim. Saying that something is from Allah, such as the spirit of Allah, the she-camel of Allah or the House of Allah, is meant to honor such items. (Quote modified)​

​

16:40 For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it is. ​

Islam is quite different with respect to God and His creation sharing any likeness...

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. [112:1-4]

So the idea of God sending a part of Himself in human form is considered unbefitting for His Majesty in Islam, as is any likening of Him to His Creation.

42:11 (He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).


That is great to hear! I am sure that it will help you understand much more about Islam and clarify any doubts or questions you may have. Please feel free to ask any such questions should the need arise.


Other similar verses include:

7:156 ... My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;-

6:12 Say: "To whom belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth?" Say: "To Allah. He hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy...

4:175 Then those who believe in Allah, and hold fast to Him,- soon will He admit them to mercy and grace from Himself, and guide them to Himself by a straight way.

Peace.

yes the Trinity is something I can't explain my brain isn't big enough... but all I can say we both worship one God... when I got pulled over by a cop the other day--- the cop said he would mail me three tickets-- and a month later I did not recieve any tickets ( I had a dream about the cop not sending me any tickets ) which now I know that God spoke to me through that dream.. I give thanks to God not gods... if that helps.
so in other words the trinity is another subject...

Hi its been a week since i've been on... yeah there are other verses in the Bible that talks about it to like in Deuteronomy 7:9--Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.

and then in psalms 5:12--For surely, O LORD, you bless the righteous;
you surround them with your favor as with a shield.

these scriptures along with battlements 7:96 all state that God cares about people He has created.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Re: building bridges

Salam alaikam

Peace and blessings upon everyone

you know Prim3 i like you your a nice christian, a few others i bump into i dont know , but you your a very guy glad we got guys like you on this board to learn from and establish a connection with.

 

[PrIM3]

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hello Friends

I would like to go over with you guys some of these things about what both we believe.. if that is of course all right?

 

[Ummu Amatullah]

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Hi sis/bro,
Sure that's no problem.It's always better to hear from a Christian's persective on Christianity then a Muslim's.
~Bye
If I'm wrong please correct me

 

[The Ruler]

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hello Friends

I would like to go over with you guys some of these things about what both we believe.. if that is of course all right?

yeh sure dats fine....but wat is da first thing u wanna talk bout?:?

 

[Kittygyal]

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sis/bro i jus dn't get dis thread at all btw wot duh u wana talk abwt?
*confused*

take care

 

[PrIM3]

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Allah has a wonderful purpose for our lives--what do you think is Allahs purpose in creating us?

 

[PrIM3]

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I don't think I have to answer that... it doesn't matter whether I use english word or not..
sorry for my rudeness but that isn't a important question

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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lol agreed, Allahs purpose for creating us is to worship him.

Basically and THIS IS BASIC! lol theres much more to it but basically, we are being tested, if the devil can dissuade us and tempt us into wrong as he tempted adam (AS) into eating the apple then we will all go to hell, but if we repent even after doing wrong and stay sincere muslims we will go to heaven. Its all about our faith.

i hope that sums it up.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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lol agreed, Allahs purpose for creating us is to worship him.

Basically and THIS IS BASIC! lol theres much more to it but basically, we are being tested, if the devil can dissuade us and tempt us into wrong as he tempted adam (AS) into eating the apple then we will all go to hell, but if we repent even after doing wrong and stay sincere muslims we will go to heaven. Its all about our faith.

i hope that sums it up.

this does not mean we can go about doing wrong because that will jus leave our hearts to become currupt and hard, we must always be true muslims,

enjoin good and forbid evil.

dont eat pork/drink alcohol and misuse your toungue or privates.
always help those in need, a true muslim cant sleep knowing his neighbour is hungry and love for your brother what you love for yourself.

PEACE!

 

[PrIM3]

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this does not mean we can go about doing wrong because that will jus leave our hearts to become currupt and hard, we must always be true muslims,

enjoin good and forbid evil.

dont eat pork/drink alcohol and misuse your toungue or privates.
always help those in need, a true muslim cant sleep knowing his neighbour is hungry and love for your brother what you love for yourself.

PEACE!

I love your answers but there is more to it than that... But...God is also love he wants to love and who is reciprocate this love? plants and animals cannot love Him.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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I love your answers but there is more to it than that... But...God is also love he wants to love and who is reciprocate this love? plants and animals cannot love Him.

it is muslims belief that plants and animals constantly chant Allahs praises. It is through Allahs mercy that a hoof does not stomp over the young and it is through Allahs love that he bestows on us such mercy... then to return the love he shows us the least we can do is become pious believers.

peace bro may Allah reveal to you the truth. InshaAllah

 

[The Ruler]

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any more questions?....:happy: :happy: :happy:

 

[Pinkie]

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hello Friends

I would like to go over with you guys some of these things about what both we believe.. if that is of course all right?

We both believe Adam (a.s) and Eve are the first man and woman created by Allah.

 

[Maimunah]

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any more questions?....:happy: :happy: :happy:

yea any more quetsions???
salaam

 

[The Ruler]

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i fink da only difference between us muslims and chrstians si dat christians fink dat Jesus (as) is either God or da son of God. we bliv dat Allah is One and Only and has no partners...

 

[PrIM3]

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God wanted somebody who would respond to His love in a way that was meaningful to both Him and to that other being.

 

[PrIM3]

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lets talk about the Fall of man in the Quran and in the Bible