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God wanted somebody who would respond to His love in a way that was meaningful to both Him and to that other being.


Well he wanted humans to worship him in the way he wanted us to woship him in, which in turn would give us ultimate salvation. This was shown by revelations and prophets, which showed us the way to salvation, during Prophet Moses' time, he was the way and method to salvation, his rules and law and example. during Prophet Jesus' time PBUH he was the way to salvation. But these Prophets were only meant for a certain time, the last and final messenger is Muhammed PBUH, so for everyone else now the way to salvation is through him, following the commandments revealed to him SAW in the Qur'an, and living by the example he lived, the Sunnah
 
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lets talk about the Fall of man in the Quran and in the Bible


Good idea.

I think from a muslim perspective, none of us are perfect, we are all going to sin, apart from the innocent ones such as the Prophets PBUT. but this was all intended buy God, so that when we do sin we seek refuge in him and turn to him and ask for repentance and he forgives us.
What about in christianity? Am i right in saying we all have original sin because Adam sinned, so we are all born sinners? Islam doesn't teach us this, we believe only a man is responsible for his own deeds and not someone else's sin.
 
Re: something I would like to go over with

Good idea.

I think from a muslim perspective, none of us are perfect, we are all going to sin, apart from the innocent ones such as the Prophets PBUT. but this was all intended buy God, so that when we do sin we seek refuge in him and turn to him and ask for repentance and he forgives us.
What about in christianity? Am i right in saying we all have original sin because Adam sinned, so we are all born sinners? Islam doesn't teach us this, we believe only a man is responsible for his own deeds and not someone else's sin.

I may be wrong here but I believe our natural sin is that we are all born dead.. not physical dead but spiritually dead. because of the fall of adam and eve we are all born dead.. even they lost there tight relationship with God. ( but this isn't what I want to focus on right now )

please I would like to know what what the Quran.. 2:30-39 and 7:18-25
 
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Re: something I would like to go over with

God wanted somebody who would respond to His love in a way that was meaningful to both Him and to that other being.

he has that somebody, the prophet muhammad (SAWS) loved Allah so dearly, obeyed his every command and chanted his praise all day long and night of course! That is why is he so respected, he is the mannerisms of the quran put into practise which is why we all try to follow him. God is loved by ALL who follow the sunnah!!! and inshaAllah he loves those who love him!

PEACE
 
Greetings PrIM3,

I have merged this thread with your previous one as I think they are quite similar. Please feel free to contact me if there is any problem. Thanks.

I may be wrong here but I believe our natural sin is that we are all born dead.. not physical dead but spiritually dead. because of the fall of adam and eve we are all born dead.. even they lost there tight relationship with God. ( but this isn't what I want to focus on right now )

please I would like to know what what the Quran.. 2:30-39 and 7:18-25
In Islam, we believe that all people are actually born on a natural inclination to faith called the 'fitrah', so it could be argued that they are not really spiritually dead. Regarding Adam and Eve, they made a mistake towards God yet this does not mean they lost their relationship with him, as the Qur'an teaches us that:

[2.37] Then Adam received (some) words from his Lord, so He turned to him mercifully; surely He is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.

So as mentioned above, we are not punished for the mistakes of others, but only our own. We are also only punished for what we have control over, not what is beyond our control. An example of this is in the verse:

[2.173] He has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring, nor exceeding the limit, no sin shall be upon him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

It would also make sense for a God who is so loving and caring to establish the most perfect justice towards His slaves, such as burdening each of them with their own actions rather than those which were not theirs.

I hope that helped,

Peace.




 
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he has that somebody, the prophet muhammad (SAWS) loved Allah so dearly, obeyed his every command and chanted his praise all day long and night of course! That is why is he so respected, he is the mannerisms of the quran put into practise which is why we all try to follow him. God is loved by ALL who follow the sunnah!!! and inshaAllah he loves those who love him!

PEACE

no God doesn't look for deeds( from my understanding from what you just said ).. and are you stating that God doesn't love you or you don't love God? what happens when you don't follow the sunnah? will you lose your love in God and will God lose His love in you?
according to the Bible Gods love will always be with us through hardships, addictions, hunger, etc.
 
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Good idea.

I think from a muslim perspective, none of us are perfect, we are all going to sin, apart from the innocent ones such as the Prophets PBUT. but this was all intended buy God, so that when we do sin we seek refuge in him and turn to him and ask for repentance and he forgives us.
What about in christianity? Am i right in saying we all have original sin because Adam sinned, so we are all born sinners? Islam doesn't teach us this, we believe only a man is responsible for his own deeds and not someone else's sin.

yes good idea :)
lets see our differences...indeed we have many similarities.

Yes Chrsitians believe in original sin...
we can read about this in Rom 5:12 1 Cor 15:22

In the Old testment Even David mentions in Ps 51:5 "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.

The Bible makes it so clear that what happened to Adam had radical consequences for us..we all fell together.



If people are born innocent then why do all people sin, not even 1 % of people stay innocent throughout their life. We cannot blame our society...because what corrupted the society in the beginning?

God calls us to be perfect and Holy even as he is Holy in 1Peter 1:16

So we must measure ourselves by God himself...not by mans standarda of what we think is good or bad. Who are we to judge?

2 Cor 10:12

Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.

So easy it is to compare ourselves with other people as long as we can find someone worse, more wicked than ourselves...We can then easily think somehow we where acceptable in the sight of our Holy God.

When we compare ourselves to God we can then begin to realise how seriously sinful we are, that we need redemption from our sin. God demands perfection...no sin.

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."

Psalm 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me"

God even turned his face from Jesus...when on the cross he took our sins away...My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me!

Pslams 22

My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?". Jesus quoted this Psalm in order to draw attention to it and the fact that He was fulfilling it there on the cross.

Pslams 22

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.




The first thing sin does in a Christian's life is to separate us from the fellowship of God. God is Holy and will not look upon sin. Our sin causes God to turn His face away from us. When fellowship is broken we can pray, BUT there will be no answer. We can read the Bible, BUT, the Holy Spirit will not guide and teach us, the Bible as no understanding.
 

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