Burn Quran-Sign Petition against it today is last day!!

[Bintulislam]

burn the Quran and become a celebrity, I have read a rabbi protest today of course his lighthearted banter was marred by other political agenda that he managed to sneak in nonetheless, I think everyone views this for what it is, a brilliant way to showcase the ignorant oafs that dwell within these woods.. Those who burn the Quran really highlight the type of dark aged ignorance that is so ingrained in them.. the same people who believe dinosaurs roamed about 6000 years ago if not some colossal hoax and that well god is a middle eastern man..

How much of the Quran can they burn? How many of us here (masha'Allah) know it by heart? burn all the Quran's it can be reproduced in an instance, we live by it, we breathe it and always in our hearts..
this should serve as an impetus though for those who don't know it by memory to do so..

and Allah swt knows best

Well said!I agree with every word.I know that this would do nothing on the other hand complete silence might shunt their periodical evil tickles but somehow I can't help being asked to show my resistance peacefully against Islamophobia and signing up for it.BTW what type of publicity they want?Except for being labelled much intolerable than they've ever been.Recent acts of Draw Muhammad Day and now this done by groups of ill-thinking people is a new thing in market done in the name of freedom of speech.I am confused.Which is Islamic Peaceful Resistance or Silence?

 

[Bintulislam]

This is taking place in Florida not NY...Its funny when people start pathetic useless petitions that never get anything done. Keep worshipping Allah SWT and stop worrying about these bigots like Terry Jones. As someone said above, he does not know what he is burning, and I doubt that he actually has ONE real mushaf in this hands. Probably English translations of Quran made by haters of Islam who cant stand to watch Islam rise. may Allah's curse and wrath be upon those are involved in this.

Surah Al Hijr Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). 15:9

Pathetic??....................

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

 

[LauraS]

I can't this being allowed to go ahead. As for extremism I hardly think certain Christian societies in America can talk.

 

[sabr*]

Petitions are useless!

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Petitions make people who are inactive feel they are actually participating in a cause.

Many Muslims are just too passive. Not that advocating violence would bring a positive result.

Just read the posts of forum members with the high reputations and power, etc that can't
even take five minutes to research who the Dove World Outreach Center Pastor that is promoting this
nonsense and the location.

Reveiwing the Nightline segment it appears the majority of Quran's are translations, Yusuf Ali, etc.
The arabic is the Quran which in still included in many translations.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
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Dove World Outreach Center is a small, 50 member non-denominational charismatic Christian church in Gainesville, Florida led by Terry Jones and his wife, Sylvia. The church gained notoriety in the late 2000s for its displays of anti-Islam and anti-LGBT messages. The church received widespread national and international criticism in 2010 after it announced an "International Burn a Koran Day", during which church members would hold book burnings of the Qu'ran, on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
History of the church

The Dove World Outreach Center (DWOC) was founded in 1985 by Donald O. Northrup[1] and Richard H. Wright who served as co-pastors in 1987.[2] It became known for participating in charitable endeavors.[citation needed] Wright led a subsidiary church in Waldo, Florida in the 1980s.[citation needed]
Northrup, who was affiliated with the now defunct Maranatha Campus Ministries (MCM), headed the DWOC from its inception until he died in 1996.[1] (He repudiated the MCM before his death.)[citation needed] His wife, Dolores, continued to participate in various ministries of the DWOC as Woman's Pastor until 2004;[1] she became estranged from the congregation in 2009 due to concerns about the church's future under the Jones family.[citation needed]
Donald Northrup and Terry Jones first became involved with each other as operatives in the Maranatha Campus Ministries. Jones founded and led the Christliche Gemeinde Köln, a church in Cologne, Germany from 1981 to 2008[3][4] initially as a branch of the Maranatha Campus Ministries. Jones was released from the leadership of the Christliche Gemeinde Köln in 2008 due to untenable theological statements and craving for recognition.[5] Following Jones' departure, the CGK closed,[3] then reopened under new, independent, leadership.
Current organization of the church

In 2008, Jones a native of Cape Girardeau, Missouri who was born in 1952 or 1953,[6] and his second wife Sylvia became the current senior pastors of the DWOC, with Wayne Sapp serving as assistant pastor.
The DWOC also maintains a boarding school in Gainsville, called the Dove World Outreach Academy. According to the Gainsville Sun, students of the academy are prohibited from outside and family contact including attendance at family weddings and funerals, and work without compensation selling, packing, and shipping furniture for TS and Company, a business owned by Sylvia Jones.[3].
In 2010 Jones published Islam is of the Devil, a polemic denouncing Islam as a violent faith.[7] The church reportedly had fifty members in September 2010.[8]
Political controversies

Anti-Islam lawn signs

In 2009, Dove World posted a sign on its lawn which stated in large red letters "Islam is of the Devil"[9]. The signs drew protests by CAIR and local activists, who picketed the church's front sidewalk. By July 31, however, the church posted another sign which paraphrased a portion of At-Tawba (Surah 9:5), stating "Koran 9:5 Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them."[10] The verse actually reads "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." This is the famous "Sword verse" in the Quran.
Another sign was posted by October 29, showing a Muslim man hanging a Christian[11]; according to one observer, the sign was later destroyed by angry passersby[12].
Anti-Islam t-shirts

Also in 2009, members of the church sent their children to the new school year with t-shirts saying on the front "Jesus answered I am the way and the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father except through me. I stand in trust with Dove Outreach Center." and on the back "Islam is of the Devil". The incident resulted in a 10-year-old being sent home from Talbot Elementary on August 24, and, on the 25, Eastside High students and one Gainesville High student being sent home and a student at Westwood Middle having to change clothes because of the shirt[13].
Protest in Columbus, Ohio

Dove World participated in a November 2009 rally in support of Rifqa Bary; members wore "Islam is of the Devil" t-shirts to the event, although some other participants at the rally were troubled by the t-shirts' message[14].
Endorsement of Westboro Baptist Church

In March 2010, Dove World posted a video which decried the possibility of an openly-gay mayor (in this case, current mayor Craig Lowe, who is the first openly gay mayor of Gainesville). It also posted a sign saying "No Homo Mayor"; after Americans United requested the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the sign as an undue participation of a non-political tax-exempt organization in the political process[15], the church then changed the sign to simply read "No Homo"[16].
On April 18, 2010, members of the church participated in a joint protest with the Westboro Baptist Church against homosexuality[17]; the protest took place in front of Trinity United Methodist Church and the University of Florida Hillel.
Later, on April 21, Dove World member Fran Ingram published a blog post proclaiming the church's endorsements of the Westboro Baptist Church's protests against homosexuality and homosexuals[18].
"International Burn a Koran Day"

Main article: International Burn a Koran Day
In July 2010, the church announced that it would hold an "International Burn a Koran Day", in which church members would hold book burnings of the Qu'ran, on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
The initial announcement elicited condemnation by religious organizations. The National Association of Evangelicals recommended that the event be canceled.[19] The German Evangelical Alliance formally dissociated itself from the proposed Koran burning.[5] The Al-Falluja jihadist web forum threatened a bloody war against America.[20].
The announcement has also elicited comparisons of the church's actions with those of Nazi Germany, which engaged in burnings of books written by Jews, communists and others who did not conform to Nazi ideology, as well as the European Middle Ages/Renaissance-era Roman Catholic Church, which participated in the Inquisition against persons and works which did not conform with the church's teachings.[21]
The Gainesville fire department refused to grant the church a burning permit, stating that open burning of books is not allowed in the city due to fire hazard.[22] Regardless, the church plans to proceed with the event despite the potential of being fined if it proceeds with the event.[23]
The event is being followed by thousands (fans, critics and others) on an eponymical Facebook page.[24] Worries have also emerged that the event could spark events of terrorism after a UK-based Islamic group has incorporated the Koran-burning event in a YouTube video which makes a call to Muslims to "rise up and act". Terry Jones has however said that he hopes the event does not lead to violence. Jones says he regularly receives death threats since the event was announced.[24] Also since the announcement, the bank where the church has a $140,000 mortgage loan, has demanded immediate repayment of the balance and Jones has also had his property insurance cancelled.[24]
Financial controversy

As a result of its controversies and the ties between the church and TS and Company, the Alachua County Property Appraiser commenced an investigation into the tax-exempt status of the church in March 2010[25].
Response

Local response

The church has been strongly criticized by various local religious and political figures in Florida for its stances against Islam and homosexuality. In response, a Gainesville Interfaith Forum was established in November 2009 with participation from the University of Florida Hillel, Congregation Bnai Israel[26] and individual Muslim residents, and the forum's request for the declaration of September 11 as "Interfaith Solidarity Day" was honored by current mayor Craig Lowe[27]. The Forum scheduled a "Gathering for Peace, Understanding and Hope" at Trinity United Methodist Church on the day before the planned burning[28].
In addition, Lowe has referred to Dove World as a "tiny fringe group and an embarrassment to our community"[29].
Twenty local religious leaders gathered Thursday, September 2, 2010 to call for citizens to rally around Muslims “in a time when so much venom is directed toward them.” [30].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center
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Dove Outreach Center
5805 NW 37th St
Gainesville, FL 32653
(352) 371-2487
Pastor Terry Jones and Sylvia Jones

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

hmmm so they are against it just because it could increase danger for troops. otherwise they would have supported it ???

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Bintulislam;

I have signed the petition, I hope it can do some good, there seems no other peaceful action than signing.

Blessings and peace be with you all at this time.

Eric

 

[Bintulislam]

Greetings and peace be with you Bintulislam;

I have signed the petition, I hope it can do some good, there seems no other peaceful action than signing.

Blessings and peace be with you all at this time.

Eric

Peace be with you too.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam



hmmm so they are against it just because it could increase danger for troops. otherwise they would have supported it ???

I can't speak for "them", whoever "they" are. The poll didn't just ask if the church should cancel the Qu'ran burning or not, but then proceeded to put words in the mouths of those who answered YES or NO. It makes it hard to answer or even know what those who did answer mean by it.

For instance, I do think that the church should cancel the Qu'ran buring, but for many reasons. One of those would be the ancillary effects, but not that alone. I don't think that Qu'rans should be burned. (BTW, I also don't think that American flags should be burned.) These forms of protests are disrespectful and often incite people to respond in emotional and even violent ways.

But do I think that the church has the right to burn their own personal private property? Certainly, as long as they do it in a safe way that won't become a public hazard, such as a massive bonfire might.

YES, NO. My answer as to what they should do, doesn't necessarily match the suggested reasons for why they should do it. So, please don't assume that all those who said that the Qu'ran burning should not proceed did so soley for the rather lame reason that was offered.

what if all the muslims gather together and try and stop it? id love to do that

i wish i was living in new york this makes me angry.

Well, aside from the fact that you have the wrong geography, what is it that you suggest all the muslims do if you were gathered together in the right place to stop it?


There are Muslims who are in Gainsville where this is taking place. Already they (and many non-Muslims alongside them) are peacefully picketing this church. Now, that isn't likely to actually make this particular person change his plans. So, what more do you want them to do? Do you suggest they try to persuade him by logical argument? Would you make an impassioned emotional plea for understanding and respect? Should they try to physically snatch it from his hand? Do you resort to actual personal violence to resist him?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

got this mail today.





Subject: Response to Burning the Holy Quran

“If They Can Burn It, We Can Read It.” A UCC Minister’s Response to Burning the Qur’an.





There are some things that really get under my skin. One of those things is religious intolerance, be it from Christians, Muslims, Jews, Agnostics, Pagans, Pastafarians, or the like.

Larry Reimer, a minister of the United Church of Gainesville, has decided to read scripture from the Qur'an in worship service in response to a local Qur'an burning.

It’s good to know that I’m not the only one, then, who sees Gainesville, Florida’s Dove World Outreach Center’s plan to burn as many copies of the Qur’an as possible a stab in the heart to groups of religious followers that care about tolerance.

Larry Reimer is a minister at the United Church of Gainesville, a deep advocate of civil rights, and the man responsible for what seems to be a very intelligent response to Dove’s outlash at Islam.

“If they can burn it, then we can read it,” said Reimer from an armchair across from mine in his office, lined with bookshelves and photos from many events canvassing the years. On a side table next to me, there’s a statue of the Buddha, along with various other spiritually-themed trinkets that seem to indicate that this office does not belong to a spiritually firm-handed man.

Reimer, along with other Gainesville religious leaders, will read scripture from the Qur’an as part of worship services on Sunday, September 12.

When asked about how he came about with the idea, “Almost right away, members of the congregation here asked me, ‘what are we going to do about this?’ Originally, I had the intention of giving [Dove Center] no more attention in the media. But as I thought about it, I asked myself what we could do that would be effective andproactive in promoting cooperation among our religious relatives.”

I prodded further about religious relatives. “Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all part of the Abrahamic tree of faith. We all believe in the same God, and in many aspects we are all trying to accomplish the same goals. And in Islam, there are things that I think any follower of any other religion could learn from. Take prayer, for example. In Islam, one prays at least five times a day. The discipline to do that? Few of us have it. And like Christianity and Judaism, there is a strong call to love God and your neighbor.”

We chat on for a bit about the differences and similarities that each of the Abrahamic religions have when he says to me, “You know, we learn best from our rival siblings. We might not always agree with them, but they always point out our shortcomings. And in the end, we have the most in common with them. We pull from one another and make each whole.

“Look at FSU and UF, or Michigan and Ohio State. All students who grew up together, went to the same high schools, and in reality should be the most understanding of one another. Now that they’re on opposite sides of the stadium, they act like they have nothing in common. But they do, and if each member stopped for a minute and thought about it, they would realize they’re the same students, with the same dreams, looking and hoping to do the same things when they graduate.”

Then I ask him why he thinks these negative attitudes toward Islam exist. “The average American inherently assumes that Islam is violent and decidedly anti-American because we haven’t taken the time to experience Islam from an individual perspective or as a faith up close. A friend of mine was in Egypt when news of Dove Outreach’s Qur’an burning hit, and he told me that it was represented as mainstream Christianity, much in the same way that the violent acts we hear about here are represented as mainstream Islam. Here, Islam is still associated with terrorism. The acts of September 11th were not acts that were Islamic in nature. They were acts of fanatical extremists. And fanaticism is not confined to any one faith. I think that there’s no better time than September 12th to remind ourselves of this, and to read from Qur’an in worship to point out how much we really do have in common.”

Then I asked him the big one. If you could preach to the members of Dove Outreach Center for even five minutes, what would you say? “The danger to our faith comes not most from outside, but from the shadows within. We must pay attention to our neglect to look at ourselves, instead of automatically pointing the finger elsewhere. God’s call is for constant opening.”

Already, Larry has been interviewed for the New York Times. As of now, Fifteen religious leaders in Gainesville have agreed to share verses from the Qur’an on Sunday, September 12th. And he thinks that more will follow. “I’m not trying to make this a national or international event, but I feel that those who understand that allowing [the Qur'an burning] to pass silently by allows Dove Outreach to win in the fight against tolerance and religious compassion will stand up and share scripture from the Qur’an.”

Not a moment too soon. In the words of German poet Heinrich Heine written in 1820, now enshrined on a plaque at the site of Nazi Propoganda Minster Joseph Goebbels’ book burnings, “There, where they burn books, they will in the end burn people.”

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[Grace Seeker]

Reimer, along with other Gainesville religious leaders, will read scripture from the Qur’an as part of worship services on Sunday, September 12.

Interesting. I probably would not go that far myself. As a Christian pastor, I believe that our scriptures are the Bible, not the Qur'an. I would have no problem reading certain parts of the Qur'an as illustrative material during my sermon -- in fact I've in the past given sermons emphasizing those portions of the 5 pillars that I see as positive and worthwhile even for Christians to practice -- but I disagree that the Qur'an should be read as scripture in a Christian church. And maybe that is not how he plans to use the Qur'an; perhaps I'm reading into his comments something he didn't mean to imply. But I'm glad to see some local pastors trying to find ways to counter this one destructive act with something more positive.

 

[aamirsaab]

Just for the record, I don't put all non-muslims in the same boat so y'all have nothing to apologise for. It' simply a case of minority spoiling things (as is usual). Most people think it's retarded. Because there are more important things in their life to do on a saturday. Like sleeping.

As for the pastor hosting the burning session, I lol. HARD.

 

[Asiyah3]

Why do we even care? The Qur'aan is guarded by Allah SWT.

May Allah guide them.

 

[cat eyes]

i just hope they all get hit with a bolt of lightning that would be so funny;D

 

[LauraS]

Why do we even care? The Qur'aan cant be touched.

May Allah guide them.

I agree, surely it's an opportunity for Muslims to show they're bigger than that? That this man and his followers are just pathetic and that he can destroy a book, but it's the message inside the book that matters and nothing he does can destroy that.

If Muslims react with dignity, itshows him up, but if people start sending death threats then people will start thinking of them as fanatics too.

 

[جوري]

ut I disagree that the Qur'an should be read as scripture in a Christian church.

Afraid you might learn something which you might otherwise prefer to not know about?

all the best

 

[Grace Seeker]

Afraid you might learn something which you might otherwise prefer to not know about?

No. As you are aware, I have read it. It's been long enough since I did and I've forgotten enough that I probably should read it again; but I'm not afraid of it or what I might learn. I wouldn't be on this board if I was.

Simply put, the Qu'ran is NOT Christian scripture, so to read it is one thing, but to read it as scripture is quite another. It may be that the UCC pastor doesn't intend doing that and I've misunderstood the report, but it seemed to imply that he was planning on reading from the Qu'ran in a Christian worship service as if it were scripture. As I said, I can see reading from the Qu'ran for certain purposes, but I can't see reading it in such a way that one confuses it with what are the Christian scriptures.

 

[~Raindrop~]

His intentions aren't honourable, but it's allowed to burn old copies of the Qur'an. :hmm:


Why the fuss? Like it's been said, 'tis exactly what this attention-seeker wants. He should just be ignored, that might burst his bubble.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

i just hope they all get hit with a bolt of lightning that would be so funny;D

Commander: US Seeking to Cover Crimes by Burning Quran on 9/11
TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Iranian military commander said that Florida evangelical church's plan to burn Muslims' divine book, the Holy Quran, on the 9/11 anniversary is a Washington plan to divert the public attention from the US crimes.

"…the US administration is trying to cover its crimes by creating issues of secondary importance and diverting the public to such marginal issues," Iranian Armed Forces Deputy Chief of Staff for Cultural Affairs and Defense Publicity Brigadier General Massoud Jazayeri said.

"Burning the holy Quran on September 11 anniversary by a Christian priest and magnifying this story by mostly the US and Zionist media is a move on the same path," Jazayeri stated.

"The US government embarks on creating such controversial and secondary issues in a bid to escape the great lie and scandal of September 11," Jazayeri noted, stressing that undeniable evidence shows that US statesmen and Zionist elements were behind the 9/11 incident.

The commander further said that the evangelists' plan also aims to humiliate the Muslims which, he said, is a policy institutionalized in the heart of the US liberal democracy.

The comments by the Iranian commander came after the leader of the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainesville, Florida, that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on September 11.

The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."

Top US Commander in Afghanistan General David Petraeus warned that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by many in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."
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http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8906171680

 

[Grace Seeker]

Jazayeri and Jones. Both names start with the letter J. I wonder if that's just a coincidence or does having that letter in one's name jumble one's brain cells so that they produce the sort of nonsense each has?